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Posted 2007-06-13 7:53 PM (#86009 - in reply to #85852)
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Obviously those people back in 1957 didn't know the first thing about building a basement. The first thing you do is install drainage around the outside and under the floor, so you don't get hydraulic pressure outside. Then you have some floor drains so any water that does get in can't stand there. The you water proof the outside, and provide a way for surface water to quickly drain down to your footing drains, not stand against your walls. With a bag, you do not provide a vacuum, you provide a pressurized inert atmosphere, like argon.
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Moparman74114
Posted 2007-06-13 7:55 PM (#86010 - in reply to #86009)
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oklahoma has issues with properly built basements (they still flood here i live in a neighboorhood with properly built basements and they still leak everytime it rains) plus we have alot of creeks and stuff we built over.
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ilikedodge
Posted 2007-06-13 7:56 PM (#86011 - in reply to #85852)
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there is video stating that it was vacuum sealed and the drivers side has a clear breach. the bag has pulled away several inches in several places. not a sign of vacuum. the car is wet toast! i am sick as hell! look at the lids! just laying there and not even all the way across the top of the vault. i was one way back that said it would be perfect. wrong again. i am glad they did the pre work on the vault a couple of days in advance so they didn't have 10,000 folks all crying and rampaging at the same time friday evening. mike in k.c. edit, just looked again. the trunk area is ripped from side to side it appears. confirmed TOAST!

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Swept57
Posted 2007-06-13 9:15 PM (#86024 - in reply to #85852)
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I have alwys wondered about how the lid was sealed. I had envisioned a hot tar/rubber seal. But it looks like they slapped a little brittle and crumbly mortar on there and lowered the lid. Despite the fact that it didn't survive as we had hoped, it is still a very unique vehicle with a very interesting history. I still predict that it will wind up on eBay or at Auction and sell for a bunch of money. My preference would be that it ends up in a museum sitting in a vault diorama.

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Posted 2007-06-13 9:21 PM (#86027 - in reply to #85852)
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Has anyone given thought to the "second car theory"? Second car in its own vault, like a county building or someplace dry? Wishful thinking. Brian
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ilikedodge
Posted 2007-06-13 9:26 PM (#86028 - in reply to #85852)
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it was tarred and sprayed with gunite inside and out. it looks as though it has been leaking from everywhere. i wonder if the pre-dig in april had anything to do with the huge water inside? i think some of the debris on top may have been from the original gunite spray 50 years ago. i saw a video of them spraying the gunite and it looked as though it was splattering everywhere. still, i am sick about this. the event plannes have got to be very upset. i saw the video of one planner in tears over the water discovery. i hope the microfilm inside the actual time capsule is readable of there may be a lawsuit i fear. surely they have to have paper copies archived of the contest entrants and their population guesses.
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Posted 2007-06-13 9:38 PM (#86030 - in reply to #85852)
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Sorry to say it but this is exactly what I had expected... I have read, seen and heard a good bit about how the car was prepped for burial over the years, but I don't recall
ever hearing much on the precautions and prep work done to the vault itself to ensure a safe environment other than it was sprayed with gunite.. Unless I missed something
somewhere, I don't recall any mention of water proofing the vault... I realize they did not have the technology then that we have today,
just as we today do not have what folks 50 in the future will have. No matter how one looks at it the Forward look community has suffered a big big loss today..
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Posted 2007-06-13 9:40 PM (#86031 - in reply to #86028)
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Well kids, I just had to come back around for this historic occasion.

Unfortunately, I was one of the few that can say "I told ya so". I was REALLY hoping that I'd be wrong, the '57 wouldnt be what it looks like it is. Completely rusted.

Being a MoPar guy AND an Okie, my pop took interest in the event fifty years ago. Early on, given the rust problem of ALL makes of the era, he didnt think there'd be much left. In a few short days he will see how right he was.

Note the color of the stains left by the years of water on the vault walls: RUST. Not good.

But you really cant blame the people back then. It was a really cool idea but Fred, Barney, Mr. Slate and everyone else back then really didnt know WTF they were doing. You can bet that the Prowler that was buried in '97 was probably done a little more carefully.
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Posted 2007-06-13 10:23 PM (#86039 - in reply to #85852)
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I have to agree that the car is pretty much trashed, I also noticed the color of the walls. That and the water is the first thing that caught my eye actually. I do hope I am wrong, but it surely don't look like it. I would still take the car just to say That I own it, but I would bet there is'nt even 50 bucks worth of scrap metal on the old girl. It is a shame, but atleast it brought alot of members together and I am sure they are having a blast. Still wish I could have been there.
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RedRam59
Posted 2007-06-13 10:39 PM (#86046 - in reply to #85852)
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It would have been really cool to see a brand new 57' in 07'...very disappointed. I bet they'll restore it no matter what the condition is...even if it's for the most part another car.
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Posted 2007-06-14 12:30 AM (#86063 - in reply to #85852)
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Just remember on that one.. the steel skid was exposed to the vault... i still think we won't know for sure until Friday.
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Kenny J.
Posted 2007-06-14 12:56 AM (#86064 - in reply to #86063)
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I can just see an angry mob of Forward Look enthusiasts going out "wildin'". A riot in which every '55-'57 Chevrolet, every Corvette, every '64-'72 Chevelle and all hi-po Mustangs and GTOs getting trashed and their owners beaten!

"It was a conspiracy, I tell ya, people pourin' water and rock salt into that vault to make Ma Mopar look bad!"

K.
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Posted 2007-06-14 1:39 AM (#86065 - in reply to #85852)
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It's really sad to see the pictures so far. It doesn't look good for the
condition of the car. I'm really sorry it doesn't look better but I can
honestly say I'm not surprised. Concrete is not a water proof material.
If it were we wouldn't have leaky basements. I think it was a poor choice
of material but maybe back in 1957 that was the best they had.

To be in the condition everyone would like to see, the car would have to be
sealed in something like a huge, thick plastic tub type container. Like a big
one piece swimming pool and then have the lid sealed down on the top
like a super glued Tupperware container. They probably just didn't
have the technology back then like we do today. OH, and I don't think
an aluminum vault is going to be any better. Aluminum corrodes and deteriorates
over time, look at some of the carbs we have been trying to restore.

My hopes aren't to high for Friday evening when they uncover it. I wish I had the
Kleenex paper tissue concession at the stadium. I don't think there will be to many
dry eyes in the house when it's unwrapped.
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Posted 2007-06-14 5:22 AM (#86078 - in reply to #85852)
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I was afraid of this. Not lookin' too good thus far. I'm one of the pessimists who predicted this outcome a few years ago, but way down I was hoping I was wrong.
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Moparman74114
Posted 2007-06-14 8:59 AM (#86084 - in reply to #86065)
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the prowler vault is actually above ground. and its inside is pressureized.
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Posted 2007-06-14 9:14 AM (#86087 - in reply to #86084)
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Wow. Suddenly, it's reduced to iron ore.
How sad.
darn.
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Posted 2007-06-14 9:41 AM (#86088 - in reply to #86065)
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RoyalGate - 2007-06-14 1:39 AM

Concrete is not a water proof material.


good steel concrete IS water proof. it MUST be water proof otherwise concrete buildings/bridges,etc wouldnt last very long. the steel inside the concrete (not stainless and mostly rusty when cast in) would rust away and the buildings would collapse within a short time.
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Posted 2007-06-14 10:14 AM (#86090 - in reply to #85852)
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Will anybody be able to get a shot of the car under the cover before Friday? I thought they have to get to the sealed drum to find out who wins the vehicle prior to Friday? Unfortunately it looks like they will announce who the U-boat commander is instead of who won the car. On the plus side it is my guess that a forward looker will get the car instead of a wealthy person who saw it on the news. However I worry now that Boyd may offer his services for free to butcher the plymouth.
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Posted 2007-06-14 10:54 AM (#86092 - in reply to #86030)
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Ahem
as a waterproofing expert I just knew that this would be the result. If you don't use fully adhered sheet membrane waterproofing then concrete will attract moisture like a sponge. Also the hydrostatic pressure on a buried item increases with depth.That s**t they sprayed on the vault was NFG as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted 2007-06-14 10:56 AM (#86093 - in reply to #85852)
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What ever happens, rusty or not it is a cool way of celibrating a City birthday, actually ppl from Sweden and many more countries are there to watch, and Boyd got his a$$ out from his busy business, what more could the Tulsarama wish for? I like this and I will follow the Internet Broadcast... Fingers are crossed...
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Moparman74114
Posted 2007-06-14 12:27 PM (#86099 - in reply to #85852)
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its not a city birthday its the State's birthday

Oklahoma joined the union in 1907 as the 46th.
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57burb
Posted 2007-06-14 2:11 PM (#86110 - in reply to #86099)
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From today's Tulsa World paper online:

Despite the discovery, organizers said late Wednesday that they think the car may be in reasonably good shape.

"It's not a rust bucket," said Art Couch of W.N. Couch Construction, after he and Jim Taylor of Taylor Crane examined the steel skid on which the car rests.

"We felt the sides of the car and it's solid," Couch said.
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Mischa
Posted 2007-06-14 2:16 PM (#86112 - in reply to #86110)
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Think about it this way; this car would have been long gone if it wasn't put in the vault 50 years ago. I have seen pretty bad cars been restored to full glory. No matter what shape this car is in, it will make history!
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Posted 2007-06-14 3:34 PM (#86116 - in reply to #86112)
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I can just hear Thorogood's Bad to the Bone...



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Posted 2007-06-14 3:39 PM (#86119 - in reply to #85852)
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Looks like someone already stole the bumper wings.
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Posted 2007-06-14 3:46 PM (#86120 - in reply to #86119)
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well looks like shes a tough old bird. find out tomorrow how she fared.
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Posted 2007-06-14 3:48 PM (#86121 - in reply to #86116)
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Hey Danny,

I hope you don't mind, but I have optimized your pix a little:



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1955Coronado
Posted 2007-06-14 4:02 PM (#86123 - in reply to #85852)
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Hey 57burb - did you take these yourself, or are they off the web?

Just curious, as you left no link & if there's a story posted with the pics, I'd like to check it out.
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Posted 2007-06-14 4:36 PM (#86126 - in reply to #85852)
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Posted 2007-06-14 5:10 PM (#86131 - in reply to #86126)
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I dont think its that bad, the car sits up to good. its definitely not totalled or toast!
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Posted 2007-06-14 5:20 PM (#86132 - in reply to #85852)
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I believe the car was originally on jacks, dbates. More likely than not, that's the only things holding it up right now.
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Posted 2007-06-14 5:30 PM (#86133 - in reply to #85852)
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If you look closely, it's almost as if the white paint from the side spear has adhered to the styrolene wrap.....
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Posted 2007-06-14 6:03 PM (#86136 - in reply to #85852)
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You know it may just not be as bad as I thought it would be, with a little luck, maybe it will be restorable!
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Posted 2007-06-14 6:04 PM (#86137 - in reply to #85852)
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Good or bad, if they restore it I bet they will have a hard time getting the old car smell out.
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Posted 2007-06-14 6:33 PM (#86141 - in reply to #86137)
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No, I'm not in Tulsa. I wish I was! But I am getting them from a site that a lot of you are on.

It's all the same photographer from the link I have been posting.. I just didn't put it in that particular post.
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Posted 2007-06-14 6:37 PM (#86142 - in reply to #85852)
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Who"s the AS$ #%LE,that decied that a time capsule has to be buried any way,A GM engineer? They would have been better off parking the car and its contents in a cement garage (with air vents )and sealing it behind the court house. Its a dam shame . I only hope its still salvagable. If its shot, they should display it as is , but thats up to the winner ! right ! or Foose could restore it on Overhaulin . Hopefully to original. Well HAPPY MOTORING!!!
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Posted 2007-06-14 6:41 PM (#86143 - in reply to #85852)
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I see the possibility for a great advertising ploy here. Where's the wax company that sells on the infomercials at. The one that goes to junkyards and rubs a little of their wax on a junker and it miraculously looks brand new. Or sets the car on fire then waxes it to bring the luster back.
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Posted 2007-06-14 11:06 PM (#86170 - in reply to #86143)
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As one of the ones who KNEW this thing was coming up full of water and junk, I still find myself feeling a little bad for the old girl......

This was a very heartbreakin' sight when i first saw the pics.......

Sorry guys, but I told ya so.....................

You just can't bury a car and expect it to live in water................

I wanted to be wrong....

Somewhere in the background, I swear I can hear taps...........

Wonder what it'll bring on E-Bay? Ya'll know that's where it's gonna end up..................................
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Posted 2007-06-14 11:14 PM (#86171 - in reply to #86170)
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dukeboy - 2007-06-14 10:06 PM

Wonder what it'll bring on E-Bay? Ya'll know that's where it's gonna end up..................................


Along with 200 clones sprayed with muddy water !!!!!
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Posted 2007-06-14 11:18 PM (#86172 - in reply to #86171)
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The funny thing is, my car started life as a 57' Plymouth Belvedere 2dr hd top, the twin to the Tulsa Plymouth...........

Course, now it looks like a 58'....You guessed it, Christine............

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Posted 2007-06-14 11:58 PM (#86179 - in reply to #85852)
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Good one Larry, LMAO!!
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Posted 2007-06-15 12:06 AM (#86180 - in reply to #86179)
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Reading over the rules of the contest,
if this is not claimed by, 8-24-07 it has to set for another 5 years! (If that is the case they may as well shove it back in the vault , fill it in with dirt and give the poor old beast a decent burial)

August 24, 2007 If no winner has come forward by this date, there will be an announcement of this fact. Persuant to Oklahoma's Unclaimed Property Act, Tulsarama, Inc. must then hold the Belvedere and the proceeds of the Savings Account for 5 years for the person or persons, to claim their property
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Posted 2007-06-15 1:07 AM (#86182 - in reply to #85852)
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I will be there tomorrow and I am a member of the working press signed up with Tulsarama and I have been told that I will get taken up close to the vault and will be very close when they take the cover off. After they take the cover off, they will take small groups of the press up close to see the car. So, I will make sure to let everyone know what it looks like to me and if I have any really cool pics I will post them.
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Posted 2007-06-15 1:57 AM (#86183 - in reply to #85852)
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Awesome, 3N57-2729! I for one will be on the lookout for 'em!

I'll be watching online as well, but streaming video ain't got jack on well taken snaps.
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Posted 2007-06-15 6:08 AM (#86192 - in reply to #85852)
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i'll get to watch it on KOTV Channel 6 Tulsa.

Live and in Color even.

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Posted 2007-06-15 7:53 AM (#86196 - in reply to #85852)
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When are we going to start seeing pictures of the other Plymouths? There has to be hundreds of other Plymouths in the area?
I could not make it with my 1956 Australian version but I am sure there are many others that made the trip.
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Posted 2007-06-15 8:06 AM (#86198 - in reply to #86196)
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i've seen a dodge and a plymouth from the era driving around Tulsa.
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Posted 2007-06-15 8:21 PM (#86211 - in reply to #85852)
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I like the picture that's going around of someone's kid holding about a 12" chunk of wet, muddy leaf spring that fell off the car. Especially with like 6 cops visible behind him ignoring him.
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Posted 2007-06-16 1:01 AM (#86217 - in reply to #85852)
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i believe this is what we were all hoping for! not even close.



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Posted 2007-06-16 12:01 PM (#86257 - in reply to #85852)
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Yahoo news link and click on the cars pic for others.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070616/ap_on_re_us/buried_belvedere
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