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Posted 2008-11-30 8:25 PM (#153931 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2008-12-01 2:56 AM (#153952 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-03-30 5:23 PM (#168808 - in reply to #100838)
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The day finally came and I was able to get the engine started!  I initially had a grounding problem, then good spark and no fuel.  I found out that after sitting for 3 years the fuel injectors were all stuck from the old gas in the fuel rails, so I took them all out and had TPI in Tempe clean and calibrate them.  Then the final results are on a video I was able to get on YouTube (with some help from my daughter who was also the camara man.)  I forgot to tell her it would be loud because of the straight headers, and she almost dropped the camara!  I am now building a Dana 60 and should be getting close to my first test drive.  I can see the end in sight!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpN4LAneHlQ

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Posted 2009-03-30 5:59 PM (#168811 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-03-30 6:03 PM (#168812 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-03-30 6:23 PM (#168813 - in reply to #168812)
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Posted 2009-03-30 7:43 PM (#168827 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-03-30 10:31 PM (#168852 - in reply to #168812)
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Congrats, Jim - you've also toughened up your daughter just a bit. ;)


Start 'em young, I say :



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Posted 2009-03-30 10:33 PM (#168853 - in reply to #168827)
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I am most interested to hear an objective report on how this car / HP combo plays out in terms of maintaining road grip and not heading for the nearest ditch, power pole, bridge abutment, when given a little petrol.

There comes that point of overwhelming power that is certainly a thrill, but is just so $#@! powerful that it takes a constant vigil to keep from having it get away from you. My Coronet is that way. All it takes is some sand, leaves, wetness on the road, or a curve, or pushing the shift, or too much foot on the gas in a straight line !

My plumber has wrecked two Vipers beyond repair and is working on his third. They are a wild beast. The 59 Plymouth weighs double what a Viper scales out at. Will be interesting !

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Posted 2009-03-31 11:07 AM (#168882 - in reply to #168853)
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Posted 2009-03-31 12:08 PM (#168884 - in reply to #168853)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2009-03-30 10:33 PM
There comes that point of overwhelming power that is certainly a thrill, but is just so $#@! powerful that it takes a constant vigil to keep from having it get away from you. My Coronet is that way. All it takes is some sand, leaves, wetness on the road, or a curve, or pushing the shift, or too much foot on the gas in a straight line !

My plumber has wrecked two Vipers beyond repair and is working on his third. They are a wild beast.


1. When it tries to get sideways at 60 MPH, then to me, it's just right.....No such thing as too much power...
I believe everybody should drop the hammer on 1000 H.P. just once to understand it...You haven't lived till the 'ol Dollar bill on the dash trick has been played in HIGH GEAR......

2. There IS such a thing as a high perf. car in the hands of a low performance driver...If he's a plumber and has owned TWO Vipers and torn them up, I'm in the wrong profession...

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Posted 2009-03-31 5:18 PM (#168908 - in reply to #168884)
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Posted 2009-03-31 6:55 PM (#168920 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-03-31 9:11 PM (#168931 - in reply to #100838)
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Location: STL, MO		Have you sorted out your rearend, ratio, tire, and spring set-up yet? There is alot of torque down low in that V-10. 8 3/4's could live in a 4200# Hemi b-body but usally they had auto's and not as much torque at low revs. very interesting swap. great job jimbo!
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Posted 2009-03-31 9:29 PM (#168933 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-03-31 9:30 PM (#168934 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-03-31 10:19 PM (#168937 - in reply to #168852)
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Posted 2009-04-01 9:37 AM (#168962 - in reply to #100838)
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Location: Phoenix, AZ		I decided to go with a 4:10 ratio in a Dana 60. The 6th gear is a 0.5 ratio so I had to decide if I wanted a useless 1st gear or 6th gear. I thought I would rather have the ultra low 1st gear to putter around at car events so I don't have to keep slipping the clutch. Hopefully I will get the rear together this weekend so I can get the back end off of the jack stands!
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Posted 2009-04-02 2:46 PM (#169098 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-05-13 1:58 PM (#174091 - in reply to #100838)
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I finally got my Dana 60 together and in the car.  I put in a new Dana 4.10 gear and rebuilt the posi to take 35 spline axles.  I converted the ends of the Dana 60 to the new style big ford ends that take the large tapered Timken bearings, and also it gives a much wider selection for disc brake kits.  Setting up the gears on the Dana 60 was a real learning experience!  The Wilwood brake kit has 12.19" diameter rotors and my 15" wheels do still fit.  Now I need to get a driveshaft made and it is close to being drivable!  I still need to bleed the brakes and clutch and get an exhaust system made, but I can see the end in site!  I think it is getting close to 3 years.....





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Posted 2009-05-13 8:33 PM (#174120 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-05-13 9:30 PM (#174134 - in reply to #174120)
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Posted 2009-05-13 9:58 PM (#174137 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-05-14 12:08 AM (#174150 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-05-15 12:33 PM (#174288 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-05-18 9:31 AM (#174609 - in reply to #100838)
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Location: Phoenix, AZ		Here is a picture of the other side of the parking brake setup.  The caliper bolts on to the two captive brass nuts in the bracket bolted to the parking brake.  The parking brake cable fits into the bracket you can see on the backing plate.  I can take a picture of the diagram in the instructions if you would like more detail.



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Posted 2009-05-19 1:47 AM (#174721 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-08-03 6:40 PM (#183789 - in reply to #100838)
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After 3 years I finally got to drive the 59 Plymouth out of the garage under Viper Power!  See it on YouTube!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvDatnbWTYY

I don't yet have an exhaust system, and am running the straight headers so it is really loud.  Hide the women and children! 

I also need to get some newer tires as these are really old.  After I get an exhaust and new tires I will have to Really test drive it (including the smoking tires!)
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Posted 2009-08-03 7:02 PM (#183796 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-08-03 7:10 PM (#183800 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-08-03 10:38 PM (#183859 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-08-03 10:51 PM (#183860 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-08-04 11:43 PM (#184034 - in reply to #100838)
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Location: Phoenix, AZ		I was so nervous watching the oil pressure and temp gauge and hoping the brakes and clutch and shifter and everything worked that I didn't even think about punching the throttle. But after watching the video I was wondering why I didn't give the tires a little spin! The next video will definitely have some smoking action!
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Posted 2009-09-29 7:29 PM (#190683 - in reply to #100838)
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I finally got the exhaust system fabricated and had to post a picture before it gets mounted.  It is 3" tubing and exits in front of the rear wheels.  It fits like a glove and looks so cool I would like to hang it on my living room wall for art! :cool:   My next post should be a video link with some tire melting action!

 





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Posted 2009-09-29 9:27 PM (#190707 - in reply to #190683)
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Posted 2009-12-16 6:16 AM (#201000 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-12-16 10:14 AM (#201010 - in reply to #174091)
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Big Jimbo - 2009-05-13 12:58 PM

I finally got my Dana 60 together and in the car.  I put in a new Dana 4.10 gear and rebuilt the posi to take 35 spline axles.  I converted the ends of the Dana 60 to the new style big ford ends that take the large tapered Timken bearings, and also it gives a much wider selection for disc brake kits.  Setting up the gears on the Dana 60 was a real learning experience!  The Wilwood brake kit has 12.19" diameter rotors and my 15" wheels do still fit.  Now I need to get a driveshaft made and it is close to being drivable!  I still need to bleed the brakes and clutch and get an exhaust system made, but I can see the end in site!  I think it is getting close to 3 years.....



Jimbo,

Did you have the Dana 60 Housing made, or did you find an OEM one that was the same width as your Plymouth?
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Posted 2009-12-17 10:42 AM (#201112 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-12-18 3:42 AM (#201208 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-12-23 7:22 PM (#201967 - in reply to #201010)
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Big Jimbo - 2009-05-13 12:58 PM

I finally got my Dana 60 together and in the car.  I put in a new Dana 4.10 gear and rebuilt the posi to take 35 spline axles.  I converted the ends of the Dana 60 to the new style big ford ends that take the large tapered Timken bearings, and also it gives a much wider selection for disc brake kits.  Setting up the gears on the Dana 60 was a real learning experience!  The Wilwood brake kit has 12.19" diameter rotors and my 15" wheels do still fit.  Now I need to get a driveshaft made and it is close to being drivable!  I still need to bleed the brakes and clutch and get an exhaust system made, but I can see the end in site!  I think it is getting close to 3 years.....

Jimbo, Did you have the Dana 60 Housing made, or did you find an OEM one that was the same width as your Plymouth?

 The Dana 60 housing was from an old pickup.  The guy who installed the engine (Darryl Smith Race Cars) made it the correct width and welded on the big ford bearing ends on it.

My front wheels and tires should arrive right after Christmas so then it should be ready for some real driving.  I am going to drive it over to a local car show in Phoenix on Jan 2 so I need to get those tires!  I was really happy that I was able to fit some 275/60/15 Nitto drag radials on the rear so now I should be able to get a decent launch with the car.  I drove it about 15 miles before the old front tires started to separate, but it sure runs smooth and if I took it easy it wasn't difficult to drive like a normal car.  Because of the front tires I didn't go over 50 mph, but the torque was amazing.  I can tell it is going to be a lot faster than the 396 Chevelle I used to own.   I will post a video of the car show. 





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Posted 2009-12-24 4:13 AM (#202011 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2009-12-24 11:31 AM (#202052 - in reply to #201967)
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 The Dana 60 housing was from an old pickup.  The guy who installed the engine (Darryl Smith Race Cars) made it the correct width and welded on the big ford bearing ends on it.

My front wheels and tires should arrive right after Christmas so then it should be ready for some real driving.  I am going to drive it over to a local car show in Phoenix on Jan 2 so I need to get those tires!  I was really happy that I was able to fit some 275/60/15 Nitto drag radials on the rear so now I should be able to get a decent launch with the car.  I drove it about 15 miles before the old front tires started to separate, but it sure runs smooth and if I took it easy it wasn't difficult to drive like a normal car.  Because of the front tires I didn't go over 50 mph, but the torque was amazing.  I can tell it is going to be a lot faster than the 396 Chevelle I used to own.   I will post a video of the car show. 

Jimbo, will you be at the Pavilion's show or 83rd Ave and Beardsley?  Which show will you be at as my son and I would like to meet up with you and check out your beautiful car?  We are up in the No. Phoenix/Scottsdale area.

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Posted 2009-12-29 4:46 PM (#202782 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2010-01-13 11:59 PM (#205254 - in reply to #100838)
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Posted 2010-05-30 10:52 PM (#225844 - in reply to #100838)
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I was able to get some video while up on a lift to see the underside.  I am almost ready to take it over to Firebird Raceway for a trip down the 1/4 mile after I readjust the pinion angle and replace a leaking shock.  So far no over-heating problems, but I still need to install AC as it is getting too hot to drive in Phoenix.  I am amazed at how well it shifts and drives.  Just like a new car with a computerized engine.  It also steers and stops straight and seems to handle well even though I haven't put sway bars on it yet.  I think the modern tires must have a lot to do with it.  So far all the work seems to be worth it.  Every time I take it out it is like going on a ride at Six Flags. 
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Posted 2010-05-31 7:46 AM (#225867 - in reply to #225844)
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Posted 2010-05-31 8:50 AM (#225876 - in reply to #100838)
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a year of trouble free cruisin . Cruisin the Coast is coming up in October , bring it on over to the Ms Gulf Coast
and show it off .

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Posted 2010-05-31 5:09 PM (#225944 - in reply to #100838)
Subject: Re: Viper Engine in my 59 Belvedere Finally Mounted



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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA		i'd love to drive that rod just one mile and my life would be complete !------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------later
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Posted 2010-05-31 8:08 PM (#225980 - in reply to #100838)
Subject: Re: Viper Engine in my 59 Belvedere Finally Mounted



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Location: Scottsdale, AZ		I saw Jim's Belvie up close at a small car show in Chandler a few months ago and it is one sweet machine. Everything looks and fits like it was factory in there. Bone stock look outside, a real sleeper if you couldn't hear that beautiful exhaust. Nice sound and lots of power! Better get that a/c in there quick! LOL Supposed to hit 100 again tomorrow.

Jay
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Posted 2010-05-31 9:53 PM (#225992 - in reply to #168884)
Subject: Re: Viper Engine in my 59 Belvedere Finally Mounted


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>>No such thing as too much power... I believe everybody should drop the hammer on 1000 H.P. just once to understand it...You haven't lived till the 'ol Dollar bill on the dash trick has been played in HIGH GEAR......<<

 

I have always been told that "Too much power is almost enough..."

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