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lawrence
Posted 2008-01-18 6:42 PM (#111377 - in reply to #100940)
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Posted 2008-01-19 3:51 AM (#111425 - in reply to #100940)
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Yeah, I read somewhere that Boyd pronounced the '57 Plymouth "completely unrestorable". The only cars I have seen that looked worse are those in the Northeast junkyards where rust had broken them into half!

However I wanna understand this more clearly, will this car really turn to dust or was it something made up by Ultra One? Just letting ya know that I signed up on the Ultra One forum and told them it's a historically important car and I wouldn't take any chances judging on the shape the car was in. I asked them if there was any way to test if there's any metal left first before any attempts of derusting is peformed.

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Posted 2008-01-20 1:23 AM (#111567 - in reply to #111425)
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The car will not ever turn to dust (at least, until the Sun goes supernova, in about 10 billion years).

That said, it definitely COULD get destroyed at/by the hands of Man, in various ways.

As long as the car can be kept from continuing to exist in a warm, moist environment, it should have stopped deteriorating the day that it was taken out of its vault/tomb, on 6/15/07.

Unlike "Christine", it can not restore itself, AND, it is beyond being 'restored' by humans, either, but, it could/can be maintained and preserved in its as-unearthed condition by a conscientious museum-owner.




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Posted 2008-01-20 8:50 AM (#111598 - in reply to #111567)
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Posted 2008-01-20 10:57 AM (#111609 - in reply to #111598)
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Any one seen this update yet?

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080120/COMM...
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Posted 2008-01-20 11:10 AM (#111611 - in reply to #111609)
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Mike P - 2008-01-20 3:57 PM

Any one seen this update yet?

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080120/COMM...

Finally we get some PIC,s



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Posted 2008-01-20 11:17 AM (#111612 - in reply to #100940)
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Thanks for posting, Mike!

That link, for whatever reason, isn't working. Here's what I dug up on the same site in a search:

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008801200373

Looking good so far, folks - a pic for a taste. Weathered, but intact in tests of the solution:



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Posted 2008-01-20 11:25 AM (#111613 - in reply to #100940)
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Sorry, Clive - didn't mean to duplicate.

Gotta say that the hopes are a little brighter that she can be, not restored, but preserved.
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Posted 2008-01-20 12:08 PM (#111615 - in reply to #111613)
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1959Fury - 2008-01-20 4:25 PM

Sorry, Clive - didn't mean to duplicate.

Gotta say that the hopes are a little brighter that she can be, not restored, but preserved.



I Never noticed that First PIC...

But like you say, It does look Encouraging,, Although they have Only Cleaned the Surface.. Still a Looooong Way to go..!!!!!!!

Interesting to read that their cleaner may Not touch the Red Mud that has hardened like Concrete.. Maybe that is what is holding the Frame together..
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Posted 2008-01-20 3:42 PM (#111627 - in reply to #100940)
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Well, well, well...some of y'all sure did pull the doomsday trigger a little pre-maturely on this one, didn't ya?
Just remember, It took 50 years to destroy her. Ya have to have some faith and patience, and give it a fair amount of time to save her.
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Posted 2008-01-20 6:58 PM (#111644 - in reply to #100940)
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Well Bart, I honestly thought that, if the intentions were to preserve rather than restore, that they would be able to do the job with something that's non-abrasive/physical impact. There's no doubt in my mind, though, that her sheetmetal is a d@mn site thinner than what it was as new.

Can't wait to see when they start working on the frame, suspension etc. to see if there's any possible way to salvage what's there to hold her up. Looks like concrete blocks - front as well as rear - are in place at present.....
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MoparsRule!
Posted 2008-01-20 8:43 PM (#111656 - in reply to #100940)
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Glad to see the latest pics, the car is definitely very weathered but the metal is still there in places, just thinner and pitted. More solid than I previously thought. The car can be compared to my old 19th century cans with forged nails inside. The cans are very rusty but I found that metal is still beneath the patina, just thinner than they used to be. As thin as soda cans I would say. But they're still solid and have not gotten any worse since I got them because I kept them dry. Basically they got weathered from their long stay in a mine where the previous owner found.
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Posted 2008-01-21 1:57 AM (#111684 - in reply to #111611)
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The cleaned fender doesn't look too bad, but than again take a look at the aluminum headlight bezel... huge chunks missing. For comparison how it was at Tulsa (bottom picture).

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Posted 2008-01-21 3:43 AM (#111686 - in reply to #100940)
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Looks like flaking - hasn't been treated yet, which is why I didn't post it.
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Posted 2008-01-21 9:25 AM (#111695 - in reply to #111684)
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FinFury57 - 2008-01-21 1:57 AM The cleaned fender doesn't look too bad, but than again take a look at the aluminum headlight bezel... huge chunks missing. For comparison how it was at Tulsa (bottom picture).

If you look at the original pic of the headlight door, all that white blotchy stuff is corroded aluminum. It's the equivalent of rust on steel. It would probably crumble off if given a good washing. Ultra-Hype's process just removed this stuff, leaving only good metal.

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Posted 2008-01-21 10:33 AM (#111702 - in reply to #111695)
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ronbo97 - 2008-01-21 4:25 PM

If you look at the original pic of the headlight door, all that white blotchy stuff is corroded aluminum. It's the equivalent of rust on steel. It would probably crumble off if given a good washing. Ultra-Hype's process just removed this stuff, leaving only good metal.



That's true. I just kind of hoped that there would have been some solid aluminum under there...
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Posted 2008-01-21 6:57 PM (#111775 - in reply to #100940)
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seems like the stainless trim glass and grill are gonna turn out awesome . i bet there are people here that would love to have parts off her for there own cars not saying anyone would take stuff or disgrace the car just im impressed with what seems to be turning out .i still dont think the motor will run again with out a complete rebuild . i bet it would have to be bored 0.60 over crank turned new pistons , heads done . lots of money to get this baby runnin ! id say some where around 6k and a good months work to get it going . hell if they would get her runnin might as well put a blanket over those seat springs and make her moveable , darn guys she could be a rat rod !! lmao!!
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Posted 2008-01-21 7:29 PM (#111783 - in reply to #100940)
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LOL!

IMO, no way in hell they get her running. I've seen engines that have sat as long as 37 years ('51 Studebaker, in my case) turned over an ran again, but that was in dry storage under - as they say - optimal conditions, as in dry conditions. This baby's 5 decades worth of water-logged - the thing is probably fused to one solid hunk of iron inside by now.....

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Posted 2008-01-21 7:59 PM (#111790 - in reply to #100940)
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Posted 2008-01-21 8:57 PM (#111794 - in reply to #100940)
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ive got a hot rod mag with a pick of an old hemi engine has a big tree growing through it looks like a big ball of rust but they machined it and rebuilt everything and it went on to be in a drag boat then a street rod . as long as the block is not cracked its possible it could be rebuilt . might have to boil it to get the pistons out but iron has to have air to rust and id say after it was full or water it wouldnt have leaked out very quickly . id bet if you could get it apart it could be rebuilt .
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Posted 2008-01-22 8:38 AM (#111821 - in reply to #100940)
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My point exactly, Adam.

The Bevy's been out and exposed 7 months already - try & take it apart and 5'll get you 10 it'll be an exercise in crumble than dis-assembly, treatment or no.....
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Posted 2008-01-22 1:23 PM (#111842 - in reply to #111790)
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lawrence - 2008-01-21 4:59 PM

Virgil is a barn find!! Or was it a septic tank find?



Just a 'touch of rust' LOL! ---John
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Posted 2008-01-23 9:20 PM (#112069 - in reply to #111842)
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All things considered, the "end-results" is/are NOT a ringing-endorsement for Ultra-NONE!

"Look what WE can do: here's the NASTY-results of 50 years of water immersion!"

Wow, what a surprise! It's just like NEW, now !




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Posted 2008-01-25 7:44 PM (#112312 - in reply to #112069)
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This PIC was taken by a member of the Public Enquiring about their Product..

Came from the Belvedere.com Site

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Posted 2008-01-25 11:14 PM (#112338 - in reply to #100940)
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Thanks for the pic, Clive.

Unless they've been working on the driver's side, the only d@mn progress they've made in a week is to close the frigging hood!
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Posted 2008-01-26 8:52 AM (#112351 - in reply to #100940)
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Nothing says professional like cement blocks.

This car is screwed.
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Posted 2008-01-26 10:09 AM (#112361 - in reply to #100940)
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Where they've worked on it looks 'better', sure...but what have they done with the rust that's crept UNDERNEATH the paint? Nothing. And that's just the body. I will say, the best thing that can happen for this car now is to try and preserve what's left...but this company's going about it the wrong way I think. They should have dipped the entire, intact car in rust removing solution, for as long as it takes. Too bad it didn't go to somewhere like Rusteco, that company could have done that I'm sure.
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Posted 2008-01-26 1:04 PM (#112383 - in reply to #100940)
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UPDATE!!!

Boyd decided to derust the car himself. It is looking good!!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f310/Larry57savoy/292339303.jpg
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Posted 2008-01-26 7:25 PM (#112432 - in reply to #112383)
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Posted 2008-01-28 6:08 PM (#112592 - in reply to #100940)
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Hey guys.

I came across these pictures of miss belvedere.
Would look realy great when they get her all cleaned up and they should have left her that way.........



http://forum.missbelvedere.com/bbs/download.php?id=176&sid=3a4b5d72...

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=C0&Date=20080...





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Posted 2008-01-28 6:24 PM (#112597 - in reply to #100940)
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Kjell ..
Check Page 5 of This Thread,, there are PIC,s posted there.. I think they are from the same Link..
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Posted 2008-01-28 6:29 PM (#112599 - in reply to #112597)
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Rebels-59 Coronet - 2008-01-29 12:24 AM

Kjell ..
Check Page 5 of This Thread,, there are PIC,s posted there.. I think they are from the same Link..


OOOPS.....
I jumped right to page 6......
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Posted 2008-01-29 1:59 AM (#112659 - in reply to #100940)
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Well looks like all they are really going to get done is to clean and polish some of the brite work. Maybe some paint, but very little of that. That was a great pic Lawrence. I guess we will see just how much distruction ultranone can manage to do to Miss B.

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Posted 2008-01-29 7:03 PM (#112766 - in reply to #112312)
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This PIC was taken by a member of the Public Enquiring about their Product..

Came from the Belvedere.com Site

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Just copied these Questions from the Belv Site................

Re: New Photo
by AndyInOregon on Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:23 pm

That's a great picture! Great results so far, too!

If the rest of the car cleans up as well as that front fender, it will be fantastic.

I'm curious as to how much effort, such as rubbing, polishing, buffing, etcetera it took to get to that point.

How many hours of actual labor, other than the application of the deruster did it take?AndyInOregon

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by dmaster on Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:31 pm

I was told 16 hours and 15 gallons of recirculated product. Not sure about rubbing, etc.

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So ,, It looks Like June 2057 For the Next Grand Un-veiling ... Can,t wait to see how long it takes when they Attempt the Underside.. They may have to Swop the Rubbing Cloth for a Hammer & Chisel.. LOL

This PIC is the One they are Replying too..



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Posted 2008-01-29 8:03 PM (#112773 - in reply to #112766)
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DAAAMNNN; just about ready to DRIVE-away, now!!!!!

Such an archival-improvement, over the appearance of the car, as it emerged from its 50-year bath!




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Posted 2008-01-29 11:44 PM (#112801 - in reply to #112773)
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I say make the car more presentable. It looked a lot better than I thought it would, in person. Looks like they could clean it up and make it pretty nice for a Tulsa reunion. Then dip the car in plastic.

 "Wash those springs back under her ass":laugh:



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Posted 2008-01-30 12:45 AM (#112811 - in reply to #112801)
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Yeah, Larry; but the entire POINT of preserving the car in its as-unearthed condition was to CREATE and maintain interest and wonder, as to what the car's condition might be, or might-become, underneath the crud, corrosion, and the cosmoline, if those things were to be removed.

Now, we may all get to see what-lies-beneath, and therein the charm and the mystery, and the attraction of the car dies...

Magic tricks are no longer any fun, when the stunt is revealed, and strippers (used to, anyway) keep some of their clothing on, for a similar reason (to maintain interest in what is being shown, or revealed).


PT Barnum never shaved the Bearded Lady........




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Posted 2008-01-30 1:03 AM (#112813 - in reply to #112811)
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Aww that's not very fair. This car is HARDLY the bearded lady. I'm not missing the point but the 6" strip of the bumper boyd's monkeys cleaned was a strip tease to me. At the convention center I looked at the headliner and it had a nice round spot where no water/ related contaminates got to and it was saggy but looked really good. I want to see the car cleaned up. I'd travel again to see that car anywhere. It will never loose its allure and I'm darn glad I took the trip and had the experience. Did anyone really expect that car to be perfect after 50 years and 2 floods in Tulsa's history? I like the well optioned cars and Furys as much as anyone but they aren't what that car IS. Miss Belvvy was a rather stripped down 2-dr HT. I like to see those and '57 heaven's car was nice.. but wasn't an accurate depiction of Miss B. I would have liked to have seen some money spent on locating another that was REALLY identical the Miss B. All I ever see is high optioned 2-dr HT's and that is not they way it was for the majority. My .02....

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Posted 2008-01-30 1:20 AM (#112814 - in reply to #100940)
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much much better! they shoulda dipped the whole body someplace else - but how do we know when the
seperation began, body or remains of, wouldnt break in 2-3 pieces....

but this latest pic - what a difference! 1000 times better than it was! lookit the windshield/trim - new!
wheel cover - new! rust much "cleaner - almost looks like , well, found xtra set of keys here....

ign. switch, turn clockwise... drive it away!!!!!!
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Posted 2008-01-30 1:21 AM (#112815 - in reply to #100940)
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somebody please - try to kick it over!!!
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Posted 2008-01-30 10:01 AM (#112830 - in reply to #112815)
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moparsteve - 2008-01-30 12:21 AM somebody please - try to kick it over!!!

You'd have to get the moving parts freed up first. I expect you'd need to plunge the engine into a bath of Ultra one first before trying to disassemble it.

 





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Posted 2008-01-30 6:47 PM (#112906 - in reply to #112830)
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Yeah, Stephen, but, but, but: there's no concrete BLOCKS under that engine!!!!????

And, no; this car ain't the Bearded Lady; she was in MUCH better physical condition than this car is (sorry; didn't mean to defame HER) !
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Posted 2008-01-30 7:20 PM (#112912 - in reply to #100940)
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I thought the bearded lady thing was pretty darn funny!! I don't think they should restore the car but I would go see it again cleaned up. A lot of rust but also a lot of mud.
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Posted 2008-01-31 1:19 AM (#112949 - in reply to #100940)
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I must say it's out of our hands, and I'm not sure about much of what they are going to do to her. BUT I agree I would go to see her again if it means another KOOL get together. This time we invite boyd for a good old style linching PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 2008-01-31 2:38 AM (#112956 - in reply to #100940)
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I'd like to see the car cleaned and preserved. I honestly hope they don't "tour" the country because anything can happen along the distance and that puts this beloved artifact in danger. I'd like to see her to be placed in a museum safe from potential weather and environmental hazards like tornadoes, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc.. As for our friend boyd.. he needs to keep himself and his associates as far away from all the cars he so generously misrepresents. I have absolutely no respect for that man and his crew now what-so-ever. I never thought him talented and now I know he has no taste and class to speak of as well.
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Posted 2008-01-31 10:52 AM (#112967 - in reply to #112949)
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moparjimmy - 2008-01-31 12:19 AM I must say it's out of our hands, and I'm not sure about much of what they are going to do to her. BUT I agree I would go to see her again if it means another KOOL get together. This time we invite boyd for a good old style linching PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! Jimmy

I second that notion. If it means a road trip to see her at her new location (57 Heaven?) after her "restoration", I'm down for that. I wouldn't even mind inviting Boyd Codpiece for an old fashioned ass whuppin' for those who want to get their exercise.

 





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Posted 2008-01-31 11:31 PM (#113042 - in reply to #100940)
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Mike P
Posted 2008-02-02 6:51 AM (#113188 - in reply to #113042)
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Just came across this (kind of a long read, but you should).

By the time they get done it will be like me having my granddads antique hammer (handle replaced 3 times, head twice).

http://www.cbodydrydock.com/forum_viewtopic.php?7.52295.0

Edited by Mike P 2008-02-02 6:58 AM
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Posted 2008-02-02 7:06 AM (#113189 - in reply to #113188)
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Mike P - 2008-02-02 11:51 AM

Just came across this (kind of a long read, but you should).

By the time they get done it will be like me having my granddads antique hammer (handle replaced 3 times, head twice).

http://www.cbodydrydock.com/forum_viewtopic.php?7.52295.0


Just Read the Link you Posted... There is a Lot more INFO on there, Thanks for the Posted Link.. But it appears they are going to Replace a LOT more Parts than i thought ,,
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Posted 2008-02-02 7:51 AM (#113192 - in reply to #113189)
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Once the car is “done” it will be interesting to see how forthcoming Ultra One is on the amount of parts that have been replaced (or “reinforced”).
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