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wizard
Posted 2008-03-19 6:32 AM (#120978)
Subject: Power Windows Chrysler 60



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I start this thread for information only - please do NOT post anything else than pure dry information here

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Posted 2008-03-19 6:32 AM (#120979 - in reply to #120978)
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The power windows from these vehicles will fit 1960 Chrysler 4 door HT

Front doors
'60-'64 Chrysler 4-door sedan and HT
Desoto '60-'61 4-door HT
Dodge '60-'61 4-door sedan and HT
Dodge '62-'64 880 series 4-door sedan and HT
Plymouth '60-'61 4-door sedan and HT

The rear door regulators will work from the same cars, but MUST be either a 4-door hardtop or 4-door hardtop Suburban wagon.

Source Big M John



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Posted 2008-03-19 7:55 AM (#120990 - in reply to #120978)
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Excerpt from "Passenger Car Parts Catalogue 1960 "P" Series" made as an Excel file. Sparepart numbers for regulators etc.


Source Wizard Sven Andersson

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wizard
Posted 2008-04-03 8:22 AM (#123547 - in reply to #120978)
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Please do not make any comments to this posts - only dry facts!

The first picture shows a rear 4 door HT regulator.
The second picture shows the differenses between the front (2) and ther rear (5) reduction gears.
The third picture shows a complete drive unit for a rear 4 door HT regulator, with the longer motor (consumption 20 Ampere with load (window))

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Posted 2008-04-03 1:58 PM (#123588 - in reply to #120978)
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Rear 4dr HT regulator, note that all the embossed numbers are individual part numbers for the different parts in the assembly. No actual embossed number matches the spare part numbers



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Posted 2008-04-04 3:46 AM (#123667 - in reply to #120978)
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Renovation of the "short motor"

The photo 2558 shows the cleaning of brush residue between the collector plates, be careful not to damage the collector plates.

The photo 2559 shows polishing of the collector with a electric drill and grade 200 sandpaper (sorry for the blurred photo - but its in real time)

The photo 2560 shows a close up of polishing the collector (if the collector has deep grooves - do not decrease it's diameter too much - better leave some grooves)

The photo 2561 shows the brush plate with the built-in circuit breaker (the circuit breaker can very much be the reason for a "dead" motor - bad contact etc.)

The photo 2562 shows the complete "short motor" with measurements (I still guess that the short motor is for the front doors) The consumption of the motor shall be 14 Amps with load (reduction gear, regulator and window). Connect an Amp meter in serie with the actual motor on the circuit breaker mounted on the cowl and check the Amp reading while running the window up-down.

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wizard
Posted 2008-04-04 9:53 AM (#123684 - in reply to #123667)
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This is the left front door regulator - same regulator is used in all the types of front doors.

The photo 2564 shows the inward face of the regulator
The photo 2565 shows the outward face of the regulator
The photo 2566 shows the regulator complete with reduction gear and motor
The photo 2567 shows the motor mount nuts that I changed to metric M5 (yes, it's the same thread) the M5 is a much smaller nut and it will be easier to change the motor without removing the regulator from the car (remember to cut up access holes so that the nut closest to the door can be demounted)


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Posted 2008-04-10 5:02 AM (#124544 - in reply to #120978)
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Demounting of the reduction gears;

The photo "Broken gear" shows the reduction gear before demounting
The photo "Gear protection" sleeve shows a aluminum sleeve that just fits over the gear and supports the reduction gear case around the shaft
The photo "Shaft protection bar" shows a square bar with a milled hole with same diameter as the shaft only deep enough to properly seat the shaft in
The photo "Shaft protection bar in position" shows the bar in position with the shaft seated in the hole
The photo "Rigged for pressing" shows the reduction gear in a vise, ready for pressing
The photo "All parts" shows all the parts in the reduction gear.

When pressing out the shaft, be careful and apply just a little pressure at the time, until the shaft slowly frees itself from the gear.

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Posted 2008-04-10 7:26 AM (#124556 - in reply to #120978)
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Measurments of the "Long motor" (I still guess that the long motor is for the rear doors) The consumption of the motor shall be 20 Amps with load (reduction gear, regulator and window). Connect an Amp meter in serie with the actual motor on the circuit breaker mounted on the cowl and check the Amp reading while running the window up-down.




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Posted 2008-04-10 1:17 PM (#124594 - in reply to #120978)
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Here is one single switch that had bent contact plates and bad contact surface. An opening was "milled" out with a Dremel machine for to be able to straighten out the contact plate and for to be able to polish the contact surfaces. This way one does not have to risk to break the potmetal when opening the switch.



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Posted 2008-04-11 12:29 PM (#124772 - in reply to #120978)
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Reproducing of the rubber washers for the regulator arms;

The first photo shows my press with pipes which I made on my lathe - the outer diameter shall be approximately 22 mm equals to 0,866 in and the inner diameter 11 mm equals to 0,433 in

The second photo shows the produced washers in black rubber, white rubber and silicone - I will test out which type that will be the best.

The third photo shows a washer on the shaft on the regulator.

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Posted 2008-04-16 1:34 PM (#125764 - in reply to #120978)
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I got 2 reduction gears with broken motor mounts from Joakim Laren (thanks man!) I carefully pressed out the shaft with my tools and cleaned up the parts. Then I made a brass presser sleeve in my lathe for to press the gear back on the shaft. I also made a hard metal punch sleeve for to give the shaft a good round with the sledge hammer, this for to browbeat the end of the shaft.
This method worked just nicely.



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Posted 2008-05-30 4:01 AM (#132113 - in reply to #120978)
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As usual this thread for information only - please do NOT post anything else than pure dry information here - there is another thread for powerwindow for comments.

I was able to get a dead power window motor and here's what they might look like!

The bushings was beyound repair, so I hade to made me some new ones.

The water protective cap was missing so I made a dime of aluminium and made a new cap from chrimping tube.

The measures of this Imperial motor is the same as the "Long" motor for the rear HT doors, but the mounting screws where too short, so I changed them for longer ones.



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Posted 2008-07-09 9:06 AM (#136908 - in reply to #120978)
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I finally got the missing motor, but it came from a 1959 Imperial, front door. That is the same motor, but the 59 motor has 2 external connection terminals - the 60 motors has 2 cables coming out from the motor.

The first picture shows the state of the motor

The second photo shows the motor after cleaning

The third photo shows the bushing and it's felt and spring washer - when the motor shaft go harsh in the bushing, the bushing starts to spin with the shaft, hence the felt will be worn out - here's my solution - a turned cup/bearing holder and a normal bearing.

The fourth photo shows the parts before mounting

The fifth photo shows the cup in place

The sixth photo shows the bearing mounted

The seventh photo shows the motor mounted to the reduction gear





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Posted 2008-07-09 10:04 AM (#136910 - in reply to #120978)
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Heres a simple drawing for the bearing cup



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Posted 2008-07-16 2:22 PM (#137831 - in reply to #120978)
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Today I started to cut the holes for the wiring harness of the power windows. This is a little bit tricky without demounting the doors from the body, but it's doable.
I used a "Dremel" highspeed tool for to drill the 10mm holes for the "screw-hole punches" first with a small drill and then with a special home-made 10mm drill.
The screw-hole punches works like a dream - I bought the 1 inch punc at ELFA (that would be Radio Shack for you US guy's) and the 35mm punch is bought at IKEA (for the kitchen zink taps)
It's not easy to get the cutting punch in position, but with patience and willpower and an extra joint on the wrist, I finaaly made it.

Here are som photos from the driver front door - on the 60 Chryslers, the reference is the highest countersink punchmark in the door and the A-pillar




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Posted 2008-07-17 2:34 PM (#138026 - in reply to #120978)
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I have now also made the holes for the rear doors and mounted the "banana-tubes". The rear doors was more easy, due to better access for the drilling machine. The "B"-pillar is heavy gauge, so it was hard to cut that hole, but the screw-hole punch made it under protest (had to grease it up with copper paste)



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Posted 2008-10-30 3:21 PM (#150057 - in reply to #120978)
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As usual, please try to keep this thread without comments! I have now started to mount my power window kit, first I installed the cable harness into the left channel under the carpet and into the rear left door and front left door. The cable harness then leads up to the circuit breaker situated under the dash onto the left cowl just over the kick panel, then across the floor just under the carpet on the cowl, over the tunnel and into the front right door and finally into the rear right door.

The door skins for the front doors already have a perforated precut for the master switch and for the single switch, but the rear door skins are differs as for manual windows and power windows. If the switch is mounted where it ment to be, then you would have the hole for the window crank open. My solution to this is to mount the rear switches exactly where the window crank was mounted.

That means that the switch will be in a slightly different position, but it will cover the hole for the window crank.





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Posted 2008-10-31 8:00 AM (#150179 - in reply to #150057)
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Here is a photo of the differences between manual and power regulator for the right front door



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Posted 2008-11-07 11:38 AM (#151075 - in reply to #120978)
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The doorskins are a little bit soft from moist and drying through the years, so as a reinforcement for the bezel that mounts into the doorskin, I cut square holes in thin aluminum plates. Now the plate gives stability to the bezel and hold the doorskin straight (the springs for the doorcranks had shaped the doorskin a little convex).




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Posted 2008-11-09 7:49 AM (#151235 - in reply to #120978)
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I have now mounted, adjusted and tested the right rear regulator. It runs very smooth without binding. I made an extra reinforcement bracket for the normally unused fixation point.
With the doorskin in place, I think it looks good.



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Posted 2008-11-17 7:21 AM (#152211 - in reply to #120978)
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Here you see the 2 front door motor/gear support brackets, one end of them mount to the threaded holes in the gear and the other end mounts to the inside door structure, distributing the force from the motor/gear/regulator also to the lower pressing of the inside door structure.

Pictures will follow of the bracket in place.



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Posted 2008-11-18 6:04 AM (#152302 - in reply to #120978)
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Just got my order from KP USA bilar - another missing part of the puzzle - The loom tubes for the cable harness in the front doors. The fit was good and they appears like they always where mounted.





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Posted 2008-11-20 2:47 PM (#152686 - in reply to #120978)
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I have now mounted all the regulators and here are some more pictures.

The first picture is a drawing for the nylon bushing that mounts on the regulator stud.
Picture 3566, 35 67, 3570, 3572 and 3573 speaks for them selves.
The last 2 pictures shows the left front door regulator mounted.

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Posted 2008-11-21 6:19 AM (#152784 - in reply to #120978)
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Just got some other parts of the puzzle, the lower window stop brackets and reinforcement bracket between support bracket and door bottom for the front doors.


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Posted 2008-11-21 7:41 AM (#152787 - in reply to #120978)
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Here is the prepuched insicions for the holes for the reinforcement bracket, and the left door with all parts mounted.
Last picture shows the correct support brackets for the rear door - my post 151235 with image IMG 3548 is WRONG, but I cannot cancel it.
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wizard
Posted 2008-11-21 11:15 AM (#152801 - in reply to #120978)
Subject: Re: Power Windows Chrysler 60



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Now I have installed the power window kit. The 2 pictures shows the support/reinforcement brackets in place and also the lower rear window stop.
I have also posted an inventory list for a conversion kit for a 4 door hard top - the front doors are the same whatever the body, but the rear 4dht door fits only 4 dht body's.
I had a really good time searching, renovating and mounting the parts. I had great help from Jörgen Bengtsson and Ken Palmkvist - thank's guys!
Eventually I will post some pictures of the doorskins here, but this thread has reached THE END.


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Posted 2009-05-15 1:57 AM (#174262 - in reply to #120978)
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Posted 2011-07-17 3:18 AM (#280847 - in reply to #120978)
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Source for the washers and bushings
http://simplexco.com/auto/washbush/wabuhome.html
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