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57plymouth
Posted 2008-05-13 7:43 AM (#129735)
Subject: Miss Blevedere; My Theory



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There has been no word on Miss Belvedere since Jessie Rock took possesion at Ultra-One. The only update has been from that liar Steve Hobby. Several people have contacted Mr. Rock and asked for updates with no response.

Now I have a theory (that I came up with stone sober)

The car has been destroyed.

Here's why I think this. Hobby announced that the hunt was on for parts to restore the car. I believe that Mr. Rock has begun disassembling the car to restore it, and has permanently destroyed the car. This is due to Mr. Rock's ill-placed belief that simply removing the rust from the car will return it's function. I believe that his efforts have resulted in severe damage.

It gets darker.

I think the car is now being used as a parts car.

Several 57 hard tops have sold on e-bay and Craig's List recently. I believe that one of them is now at Ultra-One being restored to be passed off as Miss Blevedere.

Was ANYONE smart enough to photograph the Body Number tag on the cowl of Miss Belvedere? I didn't, so I have no way of knowing if the ACTUAL Miss Belvedere will appear again.

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Posted 2008-05-13 9:12 AM (#129738 - in reply to #129735)
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That's a theory as good as any Brian! If the car will be shown to the public (and I guess that will happen), it will be very easy for one of us to spot if it is the same car or not. That rust had eaten away a lot of the frame as well as the body. The body could be fixed up and leaving no trace, but to fix the frame and the undercarriage will be difficult.

Anyway, I have always stated my opinion in this case; Leave her as she was found - that's one of a kind with no alike allover the world! If you patch her up and renovate her, that's just gonna be yet another Plymouth
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Kenny J.
Posted 2008-05-13 10:39 AM (#129744 - in reply to #129735)
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There was a jerk in Texas with a '55-'57 Chevrolet salvage yard, He would charge you $25 just to browse the yard.

Anyway, he branched out into '58-'64 Chevrolets. He started advertising in club magazines that he wanted a certain color '58 Impala coupe. As it turned out, he knew Buddy Holly had bought a '58 Impala for his father. After he found and bought an Impala which matched the one Buddy Holly's father had, he got ahold of Hot Rod Magazine and had them do an article about how he found Buddy Holly's father's '58 Impala. He claimed it had been sitting behind a body shop in Lubbock since the 1960s. He had some hag pose with the car for pictures. She claimed to be the Peggy Sue Buddy Holly sang about.

Yeah, right.

So I can believe somebody is going to restore another car and call it "Miss Belvedere."

K.
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Rebels-59
Posted 2008-05-13 11:31 AM (#129758 - in reply to #129744)
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Well as much has i like to Disagree with Brian ( LOL ) , I have to AGREE Totally.. Keeping Photo,s Secret i can Accept as they want a Huge Publicity Stunt at the End, BUT to Totally Ignore Emails or any contact is just confirming Everyones suspicions that something is seriously f..ked up..
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Rebels-59
Posted 2008-05-13 11:32 AM (#129759 - in reply to #129735)
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BTW ..
Brian i just read the post you sent on their site.. Wonder if they will respond Now, As it should stir up a hornets nest.. LOL
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Posted 2008-05-13 11:50 AM (#129762 - in reply to #129735)
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He had some hag pose with the car for pictures. She claimed to be the Peggy Sue Buddy Holly sang about.
LOL! :laugh:

Now now, I'm sure she was a very nice girl!

I didn't get any shots of the cowl tag so I can't help, but I get nervous thinking about that teller of tall tales (liar) Steve Hobby being involved with Ultra-None.

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Posted 2008-05-13 12:18 PM (#129765 - in reply to #129735)
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I had responded to an ad on Craigslist a week ago regarding '57 and '58 Belvedere parts for sale, and the seller claimed that he had shipped some parts to aid in the restoration of Miss Belvedere. I didn't ask what parts those were. The seller is located in northeast Washington state.

Sounds like something's rotten in Denmark if you ask me. ---John
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dukeboy
Posted 2008-05-13 12:56 PM (#129768 - in reply to #129765)
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Miss Belvedere......


The ONLY '57-'58 Plymouth to rival "Christine" in popularity.....................
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Rebels-59
Posted 2008-05-13 12:59 PM (#129769 - in reply to #129768)
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dukeboy - 2008-05-13 5:56 PM

Miss Belvedere......


The ONLY '57-'58 Plymouth to rival "Christine" in popularity.....................


And get Ready for the First Miss Belvedere " CLONE ".....
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Chrome58
Posted 2008-05-13 1:23 PM (#129772 - in reply to #129735)
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57plymouth - 2008-05-13 1:43 PM

...
Now I have a theory (that I came up with stone sober)
...


'tis time for a good'ol Monty Python quote :

"That is my theory, it is mine, and it belongs to me, and I own it, and what it is, too"


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Kenny J.
Posted 2008-05-13 2:20 PM (#129775 - in reply to #129772)
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In the days of wooden ships and iron men, a ship requiring a complete reconstruction usually used at least one timber from the old hull so the spirit of the original vessel could live on in what was essentially a brand new ship.

So a reconstructed Miss Belvedere could be like the axe which is on it's seventh handle and fourth head, but has been in the same family for five generations.

K.
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d500neil
Posted 2008-05-13 4:32 PM (#129787 - in reply to #129775)
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You know???

There IS a sort of Shakesperian/Greek Tragedy/O. Henry-esque irony about the utter destruction (or, should I say
De-construction?) of the car, at the hands of "The Family", and Ultra F-U-C-K UP, in regards to their complete disdain
for the car's preservation and its unique historical artifact status, in relation to their own pure selfish profit motivations.

Can you say: "Bad CAR-ma" ????






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Kenny J.
Posted 2008-05-13 4:48 PM (#129793 - in reply to #129787)
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d500neil - 2008-05-13 1:32 PM

Can you say: "Bad CAR-ma" ????



They are bringing it on themselves.................morons!

K.
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MOPAR-TO-YA
Posted 2008-05-13 10:59 PM (#129884 - in reply to #129735)
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This week I was thinking about those concrete blocks under Miss Belvie. You know the rear springs rusted so bad they broke-- what kind of condition do you think the frame was in? The skids may have been its only support left.
I would like to know what the contest winner- owner has to say concerning ultra none and Miss Belvie now....................................MO
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Mike P
Posted 2008-05-14 5:48 AM (#129907 - in reply to #129884)
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There are a few remarks from the C Body Dry Dock post ( http://www.cbodydrydock.com/forum_viewtopic.php?7.52295.0 ) that come to mind Steve.

“…….I got lucky I guess and the guy at Ultra One and we hit it off. We've been recruited to source for him and assist in the re-building…. ‘

“……It needs a frame, I already located one for him……..”

“……..Over all? It's all in how much the owner is willing to spend…….”


I think Brian has hit the nail on the head as anyone who has rebuilt/restored a deteriorated car can tell you once you start it is often a case of once you start where do you STOP fixing it at.

Ok they want to put a frame under it with the ultimate goal of making it move under its own power. If the car survives being lifted off the old frame (which I seriously wonder about) it will need:

Rear springs,

Chances are the rear end will need to come apart to at least have a few bearings replaced.

The engine running again………you might save the block and head castings

The transmission….maybe the case will be good

Brakes (anybody think the original wheel and master cylinders are salvageable LOL)

A new seat will be required just to sit on......of course that's assuming there is even enough floor left to bolt them to one the carpet is pulled up......oh yeah and what about carpet etc?

It will go on and on (as most of us here already know) and become an exercise in finding out just how deep the owners and Ultra Ones pockets are.

Ultra One had a vested intrest in the car turning out in great shape.....the advertising could potentially create HUGE sales. If the car turns out to be a time and money consuming mess they will distance themselves as far away as possible.

I think it’s even money right now if the world tour will be on a car transporter or a piece at a time on E Bay.


Edited by Mike P 2008-05-14 6:04 AM
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chrysler300c
Posted 2008-05-14 7:27 PM (#129995 - in reply to #129787)
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Neil and others.... I fail to see any profit motive in this at all. It will likely cost $50k to $60k to restore the old girl with a few of the original pieces in tact and then what do they have??? They have a restored Belvedere worth $30,000 and of "no special interest" to anyone. I think they are just ignorant and selfish!!

George
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moparjimmy
Posted 2008-07-09 1:01 AM (#136892 - in reply to #129735)
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Hey all I'm back. I also agree with Brain C. those ultra dumbasses have destroyed Miss B. and Mike would be right about the block and head castings possibly being useable. The bottom line is how far do they take the hoax of her restoration.

Jimmy
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57plymouth
Posted 2008-07-09 8:05 AM (#136900 - in reply to #129735)
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I think my theory has been proven somewhat wrong now that Mike McKenna and others have inspected the car. It has been damaged pretty bad by it's trip to Ultra-None, but it is not fully destroyed yet.

I do believe that it will be a body swap with key damaged parts swapped onto it before the whole story shakes out.
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d500neil
Posted 2008-07-09 2:09 PM (#136938 - in reply to #136900)
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...heheheheheh...what about the INTERIOR?

And the gauges/wiring and the engine/controls, yadadadada: what's left to be original ? The glass and stainless trim?
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Rebels-59
Posted 2008-07-09 5:10 PM (#136963 - in reply to #136892)
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moparjimmy - 2008-07-09 6:01 AM

Hey all I'm back. I also agree with Brain C. those ultra dumbasses have destroyed Miss B. and Mike would be right about the block and head castings possibly being useable. The bottom line is how far do they take the hoax of her restoration.

Jimmy


Hey Jimmy... Glad to see you Back.. Where the Hell you been and what you been up too. ???????????
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