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Location: Metro Detroit | while my car is down I have been doing some thinking.... My paint looks good in pictures, but the more I look at it, the more imperfections I see, along with the body filler popping that from the previous owner's quickie resto. I guess we all would do things differently ourselves but I was wondering if when the time comes to re-do the body, if I should stick to the crazy Michigan State Police Blue or put the car back to it original colors, or something different, (that matches the current interior)
According to the decoder over on plymouth central, my car was originally BCC, blue bonnet roof and stardust blue poly body. Does anyone have any pics of this paint combo on a 58 plymouth? I am really curious. Is the color of my dash or window trim close to those colors? I can tell, the colors on plymouth central don't appear to match. Here are some pics:
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Location: Lemoore CA | I would go with your original colors rather than that bright blue, they will work well together, here is a picture of my 58 with blue bonnet, and midnight blue, darker than stardust, but still a nice combination.
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Location: Parts Unknown | lawrence - 2008-06-04 4:46 PM
Red with a white top.
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Good idea ! Make it something common.
And while you're at it, why not customize it into a 57 Chevy ? ! 
Just not enough of those red/white Plymouths or 57 Chevs around !
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First of all, do you like blue ?
If not, what colors do you like ?
How important is originality to you ?
Do you like the interior ?
How about the interior colors ?
It is your car, Amigo. Do with it as you please. Even paint it red and white if that sets your heart a-flutter.
My DeSoto is an original haze blue metallic car with white top and sweep. I prefer warmer colors, but I do like the blue, .... just not with the white. Interior options for that color combo were grey and grey, or grey with more grey. Can you say BORING ? !
So, what to do ? Haze blue with black top and charcoal sweep ? That would be a vast improvement in my eyes, but the interior would still be grey. No thanks.
This got me thinking of other colors. I do want to be stock colors. That is important to me. There were some fabulous colors offered in 57-58. Some you almost never encounter, even back in the day. That is another plus to me - something rarely seen. The bronze color was stunning, especially when combo'd with charcoal or black. Turquoise, yellows (they had a very striking mustard color) the corals and pinks, and even some of the greens were beautiful 50's colors that make the most of the Forward Look styling. Another sticking point in my search was having colors unique to the period, so all the colors found on 66 Newports, 75 Torinos, or 86 Subarus were taken off the list, even if they looked good to me.
I am a big fan of the interiors and ultimately based my decision on what interior I could match with what paint. And since I am still years away from paint anyway, no telling if I might change my mind yet again before I spray it !
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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | The Bronz colour is quite striking especially when combined with a color coordinated interior.
I know 58 Dodges came with such a color and a matchin interior, I just dont know if Desoto
offered it. If you like, I can probably dig up some pics of a 58 Dodge Regal Lacer, with the
Bronze (Maybe called copper), and the color coordinated interior.
Truly and outstanding looking car (Even if it is a Dodge)((See I beat ya to it))
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Location: A proud Canadian | Call me a purest. But, I feel the original colors FL cars came with were suited well for these cars... Mine is painted 1960 Chrysler Canada's Winter Berry Red.
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Location: Lemoore CA | Billy Jack, if you ever want to get rid of that Desoto, don't forget your old friend "5859" here at the forward look website. |
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | Doctor DeSoto - 2008-06-04 2:44 AM
I am a big fan of the interiors and ultimately based my decision on what interior I could match with what paint.
You're absolutely right ... After all, you could have the most beautiful exterior paint job, but when you're driving the car, you only see the interior colors and trim. Which led me, in my case, to make a radical decision ... I am also in favor of pure '50s colors, so I choose to make my '58 Plymouth in Artic Turquoise and Iceberg White.
But then, you have to admit that the '58 Plymouth interiors are a bit dull, compared to other makes of the same year. In my case, that color combo called for a black and white interior ... Not really exciting to say the least.
So my interior will be color matched to the exterior, dashboard, upholstery and all. Yes ... A custom job.
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Doctor DeSoto - 2008-06-04 2:44 AM
I am a big fan of the interiors and ultimately based my decision on what interior I could match with what paint.
You're absolutely right ... After all, you could have the most beautiful exterior paint job, but when you're driving the car, you only see the interior colors and trim. Which led me, in my case, to make a radical decision ... I am also in favor of pure '50s colors, so I choose to make my '58 Plymouth in Artic Turquoise and Iceberg White.
But then, you have to admit that the '58 Plymouth interiors are a bit dull, compared to other makes of the same year. In my case, that color combo called for a black and white interior ... Not really exciting to say the least.
So my interior will be color matched to the exterior, dashboard, upholstery and all. Yes ... A custom job.
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It was close to 20 years ago I was over at Jeff Carter's place and we were discussing 61 Chryslers. He was talking about doing the interior in his NY'er convertible (black with white top), but was not satisfied with the original interior colors. I told him of one I had seen that had a "magenta" (very red purple) interior that was utterly breathtaking. Jeff commented he knew of some parts in that color and the next time I saw that car it just knocked my socks off with that magenta interior set against that black body ... just stunning. Jeff's car makes a comparable 300G look really boring by comparison.
It is cars like this that make you realize while just about any color looks good, some are simply the zenith of all elements combined. I once saw a bronze and black 58 Belvedere 2HT that even in tattered condition remains in my mind as the most attractive 58 Plymouth I have ever set eyes on. No escaping the flashy lines, yet the understated colors contrasted in a deep warmth .... it just oozed elegance, but somehow had the presence of a snake, coiled and ready to strike. All the best elements brought together on one canvas. |
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Location: Silicon Valley | I faced this problem with my 1958 Firedome. It was in its original color, a Sahara yellow. It looked more like puke yellow green to me under fluorescent garage light. The 50-year-old paint was chalking off and had to be redone. What to do? Not the original color, that's for sure. I got a 1958 DeSoto color chart off eBay. It was cheap. In fact, I bought a second color chart that included the Spring Special colors for 1958. Of all the colors, one stood out for me. Autumn Rust, a deep, rich orange. My car is now orange with white roof and white side stripes. I love the combination. The new paint would have matched the original interior too, if it had survived the resto but the vinyl was too fragile and the fabric gave at the seams. So the interior is now redone with a rich calf-colored vinyl with black/orange houndstooth fabric inserts "in the style of" the upholstery shown in the 1958 DeSoto catalog. That interior is a stopper as well. I get a lot of compliments on it but more important, I like it way better than the original. Clearly, I'm not a purist. I respect those who are and welcome them to their desires to have their cars look exactly as they did when they rolled off the assembly line including the inspection stamps. For me, I like my car's look way better now in its new livery. It probably comes from all those car models I built, painted, and customized in the 1950s and 1960s. AMT and Monogram and Revell and Johan always encouraged you to build the car the way YOU wanted it. And I did. I especially liked metalflake paints for my models. My recommendation, since you asked, is to please yourself because it's your car. If originality is very important to you, you'll probably regret it if you don't recreate the car's original color. If not, see if any of the other standard factory colors from that year ring your chimes (you can even expand your search to all Chrysler divisions for that year if you like). If none of those colors will do, then find something you like. I think we all react strongly to a car's look. That's why we have such an affinity for Exner's finned wonders. The fins and chrome make very strong styling statements. In my opinion, the paint on such cars should make a similarly strong statement. But that's just how I see it.
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Location: NY & VT | Ya'll are right, the right color on a FL car is key, and the '50s unique colors are the ultimate, just like the car designs... I keep changing my mind, but white/dark blue on my 'Sweep is way too mild for the design, so looking at all the divisions colors, first from 1958, then, not seeing the IT color, from '55 to '61, I've about decided on "Lilac" from '60 Chrysler for the body, with white side accent and roof, but possibly the accents in a darker metallic purple like '61 Plym "Lavender Poly". FL's just need to be Wild! |
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Location: Blythewood, SC | The two worst colors for a Forward Look car: Gold and Dusty Coral. My car has been both, and they are ugly.
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Location: DFW, TX | I'm not too fond of my NYer's original gray body with maroon roof and spear.
The more I look at it, the more I think it needs to be black with copper / bronze accents.
If someone else down the road doesn't like those colors - then they can buy it and have the colors changed back. I'll paint it what I want.
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| I feel both ways . . . I am all for painting the car the way you want it. But there are also some FL colors that have become wallflowers over the years, and are rarely seen. I think that some original colors are handicapped by the condition they are in after 50 years. There is a natural inclination to think that the car would look much better in something else. A fresh, correct, paint job in the original color transforms a car just as much as a new color, and I think some FL owners have a hard time visualizing this. I do. It's worth buffing down a patch or the original paint to see what your car is trying to tell you!
Case in point is my 58 Sierra . . . I was at first disappointed in the original Beige/Sand Metallic. But after looking at some period photos, and buffing down 2 patches, I have really warmed up to both colors, and my car is going to keep them. "Beige" (which appeared under different names among all the FL makes) is a good example of a color that is becoming orphaned. And it's partly because this color fades to a chalky pink . . . the original color is actually a very deep sandstone color, with lots of orange. I like it, and I also like the fact that I will have a car in a rarely seen livery.
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Location: Washington | my 'sweep is the sahara yellow/white top and spear. the inerior (was) silver, black.
it gonna be Autumm rust/black. not sure about the interior yet.
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Location: Heaven Above (Formerly Oklahoma City,OK) | My '55 CRL was two-toned at the factory. Thebuild code does not tell much and there is no fender tag on the car. The build code only shaowed a white over yelloow. The local PPG dealer came up with modern equivalentts of AAlmond (an off white) and Sunshine (A bright yelllow). At presnt we're rubbing out the clear coat and all I can say is that other drivers will certainly be able to see it coming. As to your blue interior, it can be changed also. I'm going from a black and white interior to an Almond and Sunshine on the garnish mouldings and the instrument panel. Don't know ehat the seats will be 'caause I've not been to the upholstrey wholwsale shop yet to see what's available. May even go with a Jacquard cloth on the seats, with some kind of yellow vynail boxing.
As to you blue Plymouth, all I can add is that there are an awful lot of white over red Plymouths shaown on this website. Go with what makes you happy! (If your wife will let you!!!) |
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Location: Adelaide Australia | my personal opinion is that if you are going to change the original factory colour of your car, you should at least change it to something that was available for your pacific car for that year. for example, my '61 suburban is carnival red, which i intend to change to maize yellow with an alpine white roof (which are both factory '61 plymouth colours) i feel that this will look much better, and suit the lines and era of the car. you must also consider your interior when colour changing, my interior is silver and black so will suit the yellow and white. go for what your heart is telling you. but yes i think that if you like the original blue scheme of your plymouth then go with that, it will match your interior and will look better in my opinion than the blue it currently resides in. this is just my view though, it is completely up to you though, it is your car after all, cheers adriana |
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Location: Adelaide Australia | by the way try and get your hands on the paint chips for your car, that way you can see what those original blues look like and also see what other colours you could possible choose, if you havent got some already. cheers adriana |
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Location: Oakley, Ill | I think the cars look best in the colors the factory originally picked for them. Not necessarily the exact ones they put on your car, but the ones that were available for your car. There are always colors you feel only those who's taste is only in their mouth would pick. Find ones you like for your car, and paint it that or those colors. |
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Location: Metro Detroit | Thanks for the insight... I will have to think about it until I am sure I can pull the job off financially because there is more to do than just paint (strip, rust repair, chrome, any other repairs etc.) I too fell in love with the '58 Plymouth from Christine, but I found this blue 4-door and I just don't think this one should be red and white. I will save that for the day when I get my 2-door! |
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Location: Scottsdale, AZ | I think its pretty easy, if you want a resto, go with the original color, if not, choose what color(s) you want. Personally, I'm not into the pastels of the 50's much. My car was originally all white, but I'm thinking of going with the white roof, and purple over black on the body. I'm keeping the original black and white interior, since its usually good at going along with most color(s). |
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Location: NY & VT | The pastels certainly were '50s though... pink, turquoise, yellow, purple. The hard thing is if you don't really care for the colors that your car came with in that year - it just doesn't match somehow the way you see in your head that it should look - I'd say many colors from about '55 to '61 are at least certainly in the "spirit" of the Forward Look, even if it came from GM or Ferd... I'm now looking at a '58 Olds color, it's a color that "should" have been on my car, even if it wasn't, and car show judges be dammed... I want it to make me smile every time I look at it! Plus Mopar was well known to accept special orders for custom colors still in the '50s, I know of several documented examples... so, why not make it how you want it? and it'll be stock otherwise - not because I'm a purist, but because that's how "I" think it looks best! |
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Location: Livonia, MI | My painter had a 15 foot long workbench with the colorcards from every car through the years. I spent hours standing there paper clipping the pages that had colors I liked. When I go to the 1961 Oldsmobile page I let out a scream and the boys came running. I knew instantly in my heart that was the color BUT I was second guessing myself cuz I really like and was leaning toward that '57 broze/copper color.
My painter immediantly stepped over to the shelves of paint, pushed a button and this machine started mixing all the cans. He then mixed cans of both colors and did what he called a srayout....sprayed panels with each color. I then took those and looked them over for a couple of weeks in all kinds of lighting conditions to determine if the '61 Olds color I so feel in love with was the correct one. I knew I was only doing this once and I wanted to make sure I made the right decision. I guess my point is, choose a color or two that really floats your boat and have those colors applied to a couple of pieces of metal and then think about it for awhile. Might cost you a few dollars but in the large scheme of things, it's well worth the added cost.
On a more personal note, do you ever take the car out to the local cruz nights? I hang out at the VFW on Schoolcraft at Inkster on Tuesday and New5 Auto Parts on the corner of Newburgh and 5 Mile on Wed nights. I usually head to Depot Town in Ypsi on Thursdays and if I'm home on the weekends I can be found in the Shell parking lot on Woodward at 13 1/2 Mile. I look for you this summer. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | firedome - 2008-06-06 3:03 PM
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Wow ..... coodna sed it betta.
What a way to live one's life, .... bucking for a cheesy ribbon or plastic gold trophy, all at the *mercy* of a "judge" !
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Location: NY & VT | LadyCruzr - was that '61 Olds "Twilight Mist Poly"? Beautiful color... '58 Olds had a very similar shade also... the kind of colors that '57 and '58 DeSotos SHOULD have had - after all, they'd already come in many shades of pink, salmon, turquoise, pale yellow, bold orange... all real '50s colors that you'll never see on a !@&^%#! BMW.
By 1960 Momma Mopar had apparently realized her error, as "Iris Mist Poly" and "Lilac" were available on '60 Chryslers, and for 1961, Plymouth had "Lavender Poly".... all absolutely gorgeous purples that just BELONG on a fin car... I saw a '60 Cad once with a white interior and "Heather" pale purple metallic, and it was the most striking combo I'd ever seen - love at first sight... I've looked at every purple shade from all the mfr's from '55 to '62, and my '58 FireSweep will be one of those, with white roof and side accents, the kind of shade that SHOULD have adorned those graceful towering fins straight from the factory, but didn't. |
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I am with you on that lilac color. I am pretty well set on doing the Fireflite in a color I found on a 58 Firesweep that I can find on no color charts .... a reddish leaning purple metallic. "Lilac" is my best descriptor. The Firesweep had the aluminum sweep inserts and a white top and was terribly battered and weathered, yet it was breathtaking there sitting under some trees in an orchard. I took the decklid off and used the underside for sample paint color. Just to shake things up, I'll go with charcoal sweep and black top. Too many convertibles were white top cars. I like the black and will do it in canvas so it wears to a slightly off black to more closely match the charcoal. I'll do a stock fabric, but perhaps have Doug tweak the colors to match. White leather bolsters, black carpet with silver thread. That ought to look like crap, eh ? |
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Location: Livonia, MI | firedome - 2008-06-06 10:01 AM
LadyCruzr - was that '61 Olds "Twilight Mist Poly"? Beautiful color... '58 Olds had a very similar shade also... the kind of colors that '57 and '58 DeSotos SHOULD have had - after all, they'd already come in many shades of pink, salmon, turquoise, pale yellow, bold orange... all real '50s colors that you'll never see on a !@&^%#! BMW.
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Yes, exactly, "Twight Mist Poly". My painter likes to tease me and usually calls it "LadyCruzr Lavender. I receive ALOT of compliments from both men and women regarding the color.
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Location: NY & VT | Denise - does the lighting in the big pic make the color more intense than the other pics? I remember a '61 Olds 98 Holiday 4 dr hardtop back in the old neighborhood in the '60s, and it seemed lighter, like the '60 Cad color... or maybe it was just faded...
I'm going for '58 Olds "Heather" I think - a light purple non-metallic ... almost identical to the '60 Chrysler "Lilac", with just a tad more punch... but I need to do like Denise and first buy a quart of each one and spray out a big panel of each before I can really decide, it looks just great in the '58 Olds brochure though.
I'm notriously bad at picking colors from chips - I once painted an entire kitchen a horrible bilious orange-pink, based on what I thought was "pumpkin" on a chip. Brrrr..
Brent - your 'vert will look AMAZING in that Lilac/charcoal/black combo!!! In fact I think If any car ever begged for colors like that is was the '57/8 DeSoto... seems like in your little avatar pic it has a sort of slight purplish tint to it - even it knows what color it wants to be! |
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Location: DFW, TX | Here is a '57 Adventurer I Photoshopped a long time ago.
I'm leaning heavily to a very subtle mica metallic silver with a purple cast like this on my New Yorker. A lot of fine metallic and some pearl to give it a very soft glow.
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Location: Hell's Outhouse - a.k.a. Buckeye, Arizona | Just to chip in my two cents - this discussion REALLY piques my interest:
I believe that, in the case of FLs, one should stick to the original color PALLETTE, meaning, not necessarily the color(s) the car rolled off the line wearing, but, more or less, adhering to any/all the colors/combinations OFFERED BY THE FACTORY DURING THAT PARTICULAR MODEL YEAR (sorry, I have no idea how to underline on this board) OR - in the case of a few models - TO THAT MODEL IN PARTICULAR.
For instance, yeah, my favorite car color is black, BUT, I'm not going to paint my future 1955 DeSoto Fireflite Coronado a solid black because the Coronado's tri-tone turquoise body/white sweep/black roof (or any combination of the 3 colors) paint job itself is as much (if not more) an identifying mark of the '55 Coronado as the special "Coronado" badge under the "Fireflite" fender script is. Same goes for the '58 Regal Lancer, which always wears a combination of bronze/white or bronze/black and, as such, makes the paint job as identifying a mark for that model as the "Regal Lancer" fender script inside the sweep.
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Location: Livonia, MI | firedome - 2008-06-06 2:55 PM
Denise - does the lighting in the big pic make the color more intense than the other pics? I remember a '61 Olds 98 Holiday 4 dr hardtop back in the old neighborhood in the '60s, and it seemed lighter, like the '60 Cad color... or maybe it was just faded...
I do believe the flash maybe has it looking alittle more intense then in real life, maybe. Keep in mind my painter "tweaked" the color alittle to suit me. Here's another in full, bright sunlight
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Location: Metro Detroit | Ladycrusr - I do go to local cruise nights, usually the Mon. night cruise on Grand River in Farmington. I have been sidelined since May 3rd because my harmonic balancer fell apart coming back from a show in ypsi. I am still waiting on the parts. I really wanted to put the car in this sunday's Wilson Barn show (Middlebelt & West Chicago) but i don't think that will be happening. I will look for you when I get out an about.... |
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Location: Bama | Doctor DeSoto - 2008-06-03 8:44 PM lawrence - 2008-06-04 4:46 PM Red with a white top. ******************************* Good idea ! Make it something common. And while you're at it, why not customize it into a 57 Chevy ? ! Just not enough of those red/white Plymouths or 57 Chevs around ! ******************************* Yep, everywhere I go, every day..I see freakin red and white 57-58 Plymouths. Buy you a 57-58 Plymouth and paint it red and quit yer hate'n:bleh: |
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Location: Lemoore CA | hotrodladycrusr - 2008-06-06 4:33 PM
firedome - 2008-06-06 2:55 PM
Denise - does the lighting in the big pic make the color more intense than the other pics? I remember a '61 Olds 98 Holiday 4 dr hardtop back in the old neighborhood in the '60s, and it seemed lighter, like the '60 Cad color... or maybe it was just faded...
I do believe the flash maybe has it looking alittle more intense then in real life, maybe. Keep in mind my painter "tweaked" the color alittle to suit me. Here's another in full, bright sunlight |
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Location: Kansas City, Kansas | Billy-Jack -
I admire your beautiful DeSoto. What a great car. I have a question, though......you say that your car is Canadian built, but Winterberry Red was not a factory color for the Canadian Chrysler products in '60. I am looking at the Canadian paint chips for '60 and comparing it to the U.S. '60 color chart. It looks like Plume Red Metallic is very similar to Winterberry. I will also say the beautiful Red color of your car looks much brighter than cars I have seen in Winterberry. My dashboard is painted Winterberry and it looks darker (with a touch of magenta) than the photos of your car, as does my Winterberry paint chips. Have you compared your car to the Winterberry paint chips? Just curious..... or maybe your camera makes your car look Viper Red.
Does anyone know if the Canadian color called 'Plume Red Metallic' used the same color mix formula as Winterberry Red (same color, different name?) Also, the Canadian color 'Terra Cotta Metallic' for '60 looks a lot like Russett Red Metallic for the U.S. cars. Are those the same color by a different name? |
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Location: Livonia, MI | 5859 - 2008-06-06 7:20 PM
Are there any major body modifications to that Olds? It looks very neat! I just can't quite put my finger on what is differen't from the stock body other than lowering, maybe some trim has been deleted giving it a differen't appearance?
Yes, there is, over a dozen actually. Without going too far off topic..... the hood has been peaked, the peak on the top of the fenders was extended all the way to the headlight bezels which were completely round but we peaked them as well, then rechromed. The hood's been rounded by the A piller so now the corners of the hood doesn't scrape the top of the fenders. We rounded the trunk corners. The fender extension rockers rounded, the center vertical grill bars removed and holes filled. Both bumper are custom and lowered and moved in closer to the body. '48 Pontiac tail lights. Obvisiously the door handles and alot of the emblems have been removed. I left just enough on I felt to break up the massive body and leave some character.
A full feature was shot by Rodder's Digest the beinging of May and will appear in their mag by the end of the summer I was told. Besides the photos of Big Olds in his current state they have CD's of all the build photos with captions as well. I'm hoping they do alot of before and after shots so folks can see the difference. In any event I can certainly let you know when it comes out if your truely interested.
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Location: Nedstrand/Norway | I like the colors my car are
Arctic Turquoise and Iceberg White
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Location: NY & VT | Love that Arctic Turquoise! |
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | 57plymouth - 2008-06-04 10:55 AM
The two worst colors for a Forward Look car: Gold and Dusty Coral. My car has been both, and they are ugly.
Nothing wrong with Coral. |
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | That autumn rust looks close to Toreador Red! |
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Original Colors - What is your opinion?
