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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Hello Neil and all other Dodge masters, could you please try to decode this body-tag from my friends 57.
It can be difficult to read - heres some clarification
SO.......0603
NO.......5030
MOD.....0671
BT........2176
PT.........CLG
TRM......118
STO No..104
N2......3
N5......1
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Location: bishop, ca | Piece of cake!
This L.A. built Royal 2-dr HT's firewall area (at any rate) has been re-painted (not too heavily)at some time in the past,
because it is missing the horizontal section of non-painted, exposed primer, where a piece of masking tape had been applied
to it (probably holding a Broadcast Sheet) sometime after the car was primered, and before the car was painted.
Why EVERY L.A. bulit Dodge, that I have seen, during 1957-1958, has had this unique anomaly (along with the unique backless screws on the L.A. P/T plate) I don't know.
This car was one of only 12,252 Royal 2-dr HT's built in 1957 (4.3% of total production).
It was built having its standard 245 HP "Red Ram" V/8, with single 2-barrel carb, and single exhaust pipe.
Anyway, the car looks to have been "Scheduled" to have been built ooa 6/5/08, with the car being painted in Velvet
Blue metallic on the roof, fins, and lower areas, with Glacier White appearing in the middle "Saddle" area.---very attractive
and relatively rarely seen, surviving combination.
Its interior scheme was/is 2-tone blue.
I know of one other Royal in this scheme; was this car recently bought, out of the Mid West?
It's major options included rear bumper guards and a manual-tune ("Velvetone") radio.
The factory's IBM Build Card copy will provide a lot more information, than what appears on this 'typically' non-
informative L.A.-built P/T plate.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Thank you Neil - here's a picture of the stunning car, which was sold in Sweden as new!!! The car still has the original interior.
I'm positively sure that you can spot some more options on it Neil.
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Location: bishop, ca | Sven, I hate to bust the happy owner's bubble, but, that car was built as a Royal, and, in fact, has a correct
Royal interior.
The Canadian Custom Royal Dodges (of which this car is NOT one-of), may have had Royal interiors installed; but
this is a 100% Yankee-made-mobile.
Now, whether an L.A. built car would have been exported to Europe, I dunno, but I highly doubt it, given that Detroit and
Newark, NJ were a lot closer to Europe, than the left-coast.
The car's factory IBM build card-copy will tell a lot about how/why/when the car was built.
If you ever happen upon this car, again, casually push-down on its fin top; if it's got the Export suspension (as discussed
on Kai's car, on the GEN DISC board) the fin will barely move, at all, due to the installation of the 7 leaf springs.
This car should be able to be pushed down, to a OEM considerable-extent, on its rear suspension.
BTW, 57 Royals had color-coordinated wall-to-wall, all encompassing, rubber floor mats; not carpeting--in this case; blue.
It's still a beautiful car, though!
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Location: bishop, ca | Yeah, the observable options, on it, now, are the two outside mirrors (which were available separately) , the Solex tinted glass,
the dual antennae, clock, handbrake warning light (possibly part of two accessory groups), the power brakes and steering,
2-tone wheel, radio (as differentiated from the optional dual antennae), heater, and T/Flite trannie, and a padded dash cover
and day/nite mirror.
All this stuff was optional on a 57 Dodge.
The steering wheel is painted, however, instead of being a 2-tone blue scheme, and the car has CRL aluminum dash-inserts,
instead of the Royal painted inserts. The car DOEs have black painted Royal end of fin plates, (instead of CRL-only aluminum
plates)
CRL's had gold anodized alloy hood and trunk letters; Roy's & Coros had chromed potmetal letters.
The name of the Royal upholstery is "Linear Lucidity"---gotta love that name---CRL's had the herringbone-type "Stacatto" name.
OOPS: just noticed that the owner (remember my comment about a re-paint?) painted over the stainless steel VIN plate; that
paint can be removed, with a lot of careful work.
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Location: bishop, ca | The seats DO look to be correctly made-up; ain't no way that they're OEM.
There are correct flush-stitch seams at the edges of the upholstery, so that a person wouldn't have to destroy his clothing or the seats, by continually passing over a raised seat beading/welt.
There are (correct) raised beadings at the edges of the center fluted vinyl sections.
As blue-scheme Royals are very rare, I need to check my records to see whether that matching-blue beading was OEM, or whether a darker shade of blue beading was used. I know that on the red/black Royals, black beading was used in high-contrast, to the red vinyl, and to the black upholstery.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Neil, you was right about the car - it was imported to Sweden! But that was long time ago, the owner will try to check the history. Another question from the owner; What about the inner lining chromed bows for the roof? Was that not a standard Custom Royal or was it an option? |
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Location: Tampere, Finland | Really nice ride! d500neil - 2008-08-22 12:58 AM If you ever happen upon this car, again, casually push-down on its fin top; if it's got the Export suspension (as discussed on Kai's car, on the GEN DISC board) the fin will barely move, at all, due to the installation of the 7 leaf springs. This car should be able to be pushed down, to a OEM considerable-extent, on its rear suspension. BTW, 57 Royals had color-coordinated wall-to-wall, all encompassing, rubber floor mats; not carpeting--in this case; blue. It's still a beautiful car, though! But about that HD suspension. I´m just stabing concepts, but I think that "Export suspension" is misleading. Let´s just talk about HD suspension. I don´t know did the "real" Dodges - no Export-only models - that were sold to Skandinavia as new have HD susp.
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Location: bishop, ca | Sven, no, only certain models, like Furys & NY'ers /300's(???) had chromed headliner bows, in 1957. All Dodges had that
white-ish/cream colored headliner bows.
The 1958 Regal Lancers got chromed headliner bows ; they were the only model, in 57-59 Dodge, which had chromed
bows--(right??)
Right now, MoPar Mel is selling chromed headliner bows, for $100.00 (per bow, or as an entire set??)
Kai, "Export" suspension ("H.D. springs", and, "H.D. shocks" ) WERE listed on the Broadcast Sheets and IBM build card copies. Like a lot of
options, just reading the name of an option does not necessarilly explain WHAT the option entailed, or included.
We know, from observation, and looking at parts-books, which T/bars and leaf springs were optional equipment, like your
cars T/bars and leaf springs. There are no separate listings for just the front, or the rear 'springs', and CHRY did consider
the T/bars as being 'springs', in their literature.
Also available "Export" options were the "Feature Group" (now THAT I'd like to see!---side marker lights, and what ELSE?),
"Low Compression" (guess!) , "Gas cap and headlamps" (another 'Wow' item), "Rad core and Sw. conv" (that's gotta be
'steering wheel conversion'---Brit/Jap/Ozzie ), "tool kit & Tire kit" (whoa!), and the "H.D springs" and the "H.D. shocks".
As far as I know, Dodge Taxis got the "HD springs" and probably the HD shocks.
Also available, but not as part of the "Export" options were the 40 and the 50 amp generators.
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Location: bishop, ca | Kai, US-made Dodges did not have the Export suspension, unless the car was a taxi or cop-car (some models, not all),
or, unless the owner and/or the dealership knew what they were doing, and special-ordered the HD suspension stuff
on a new car.
Again, when-in-doubt, casually push down on a fender or fin, or bumper, and check out the extent of the suspension travel.
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Location: Tampere, Finland | Oookay. I think I understand what you mean, but I´m still a little confuced. Let´s put it that way.
Is "Export Suspension" official name on the broadcast sheat? "Export springs"? "Export shocks"?
Or does it say "HD"?
Does cop-car in US have Export suspension or HD suspension?
Is there any differences between HD and Export suspension? Or are they the same thing?
Ar those options you listed really under the name "Export" on the broadcast sheet (strange options, btw)?
My car is made and assembled in US. Does it have Export or HD suspension?
I mean the name. Are these parts listed by the name "Export" or "HD"?
For example my parts-book says that I´ve HD torsion bars, not export torsion bars (1955-58 Mopar Passenger car parts list, including Kingsways and Diplomats).
I don´t have my car´s broadcast sheet so I don´t know what it says. Actually I haven´t ever seen any export´s - Kingsway or Diplomat - broadcast sheet. |
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Location: bishop, ca | There is a dedicated section on the Broadcast Sheet, and on the IBM card-copy, that lists a grouping of various "Export"
options, as I listed, above.
There are no specific Police car options listed; only the "Export" HD springs and shocks listings.
A specific Police car's (let's say: a "pursuit car") options would be listed in various places on those two 'sheets', like,
under the tires, and the D500 (engine) options, and the A/C option, and the Generator options, and, there is
a large 'box', at the bottom, for "special instructions"---like, for an alternator, which WAS a very-special police car/taxi
option; the "alternator" option is not specifically shown on the 57 Broadcast sheet.
Now, a question arises: could and/or did exported cars get ALL/some/none of the "Export" options????
The answer (always-) is : never-say-never; so, some exported cars probably were sent over with standard suspension components, and maybe, with none of the "Export" options(???).
"Heavy Duty" and "Export" are interchangeable terms, in the late 50's; the HD suspension components, if so
custom-ordered in the US/CAN, would appear on the Broadcast Sheet & IBM cards, under the "Export" options section of those documents.
Virtually all of the domestic-oriented factory literature will only mention 'heavy duty', rather than
'export', if only to try to avoid confusion.
There also is a small DeSoto (Firesweep) options-section/area on the Broadcast Sheet, for those cars which were built in the Dodge assembly plant.
I haven't ever seen a real exported car's Broadcast sheet, either!
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Location: Tampere, Finland | Extensive answer. ......What can I say.....  If I can get my IBM card some day, I´ll post it here. |
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Location: bishop, ca | The only "Export" options-group items, that can be considered as being Heavy-Duty in nature, would be the "H.D. Springs"
and the "H.D. shocks", and, they are labeled as such , although they (like almost all of the other items on the Broadcast Sheets
and IBM card copies) are not otherwize defined, or have part numbers shown, etc...
Reading and interpreting those documents is like decyphering a foreign language, that you already know a LITTLE bit about.
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Location: bishop, ca | Thanx, Clive!
Buncha stuff, here: 1957 Dodge Royals, with OEM BLUE interiors are super rare finds, nowadays.
These pics show the correct appearance of the sheet vinyl, seat beading, center bolsters, and the (blue) color-
coordinated rubber floor mats which Royals had installed on them.
The 'green' interior is on a 57 Custom Coronet 2-dr HT, but this same color-coordinated rubber floor mat is seen, this
time, in green (duh).
The Coro's upholstery, tho, looks to have been replaced, from the OEM "Star Dot" material.
The blue/white Royal is the car that I recalled 'knowing' , when I initially asked if the Swedish-car had been obtained from
a midwest US owner. The car in the background is another Royal.
The last pic shows what a Royal, with the red/black motif would look like.
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Location: bishop, ca | And, oh yeah: the Custom Coros got the color-cooordinated floor mats; the regular models all got black rubber floor
mats.
The red/black and gold/black Custom Coros, as kinda seen in the above pic, got a sort of a charcoal looking floor mat;
it wasn't a dark solid black color. I've got a good quality pic of that color-scheme, to, around here....
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Location: bishop, ca | This is a 57 Custom Coronet with the gold/black interior motif.
You can see its Star Dot upholstery, and pretty-much see the color of its rubber floor mat, which is considerably
lighter colored than the aftermarket floor mat which has been put down on top of it.
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Location: The Mile High City | Question about the exhaust deflectors: when were they standard equipment on the 1957 models? I recall reading somewhere that they were standard for Custom Royals in 1958 and optional for Coronets and Royals with dual exhaust systems...
Quick off-topic comment on the United States Flag floormats: I don't like them at all. I don't know when we started to drape Olympic athletes with United States flags (they wear them like capes) and have little United States Flag golf towels, but it has gone way too far. I am sure the owner has the best intentions, but that is just not an appropriate use for any nation's honored symbol. Beneath his feet! Very upsetting. |
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Location: bishop, ca | I noticed the floor mats, too; well, the car is not in the US, anyway....
Some people have baby-photos in their wallets; I carry an extreme miniaturization of the 57 Ross Roy's "Difference Between Models" page, and IT says that : " Dual Exhausts and Extensions [deflectors]" were "STD" on CR's, and "Extra" on Roy's & Coros.
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Location: The Mile High City | There sure are a lot of CRs rolling around without their undies on. Another good reason to buy a Royal or a Coronet: you won't have to spend your life or your life savings running a set of those down. Bo Malefors probably has a locker full of 'em! |
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Location: bishop, ca | LOL, Mike! in 1958, Dodge came out with a revised deflector, that had a removable bottom section, which was held-on
by 4 little sheetmetal screws.
That way, when your deflector got wasted from corrosion (doing its job!) or hammered on driveway pads and curbs, you
only needed to pay a couple bux for a replacement 'knickers'-panel, and not the full $7.00(!) for a new assembly.
There was a third version of the deflectors, which was missing its upper roof-section, with the central stainless steel tongue
permanently riveted to the sides of the deflector. This is the easiest piece to install, due to the missing 'roof' section, but
the missing roof does allow some exhaust crap to flow onto the bumper, whereas an intact roof area would fully contain
the carbon-crap.
The original deflector was one full rounded-oval piece, with a separate tongue-piece.
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Location: The Mile High City | Very interesting! I have seen a couple of different versions of the deflectors, but never one with a removable underside (makes good sense though). I have also seen those stainless flappers installed a couple of different ways. I wondered if the varieties were just a result of different contract manufacturers? |
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Location: bishop, ca | 59 Dodge bumpers (being a derivative of the 57-58 guys) have the OEM exhaust deflector bolt-holes in them.
I sold a perfect set of the 1st generation deflectors , for $500.00(cheep), to a guy who as going to put them on his 59
Dodge.
Dunno if he ever did, or whether he already turned them, or is keeping them as an investment.
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