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LD3 Greg
Posted 2020-03-25 12:44 AM (#595985 - in reply to #595978)
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Lancer Mike - 2020-03-24 8:54 PM

Thanks for sharing Greg:

 

Interesting to see they have a TEXAN code.

A couple of questions:

Is the hood ornament code any different for the Regal?

Is there a code for the Acousti-foam headliner?



Hi Mike.
Short answer, I don’t know. But, for a Regal, I am sure that trim code 277 tells the whole story for the factory build team with respect to hood ornaments and headliner and all the other Regal specific items.

The punch card only needs to do two things:
1. It contains sufficient information to build the car as it was ordered.
2. It contains sufficient information to invoice the car as it was built.

Those are the only two things a manufacturing facility must do to be successful.

When we see penciled key lock numbers and engine numbers and build date on the card we know the process is complete. The car got built as ordered and was invoiced as such!

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springsweptwing
Posted 2020-03-25 10:56 AM (#596002 - in reply to #595979)
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56D500boy - 2020-03-25 2:57 AM

Lancer Mike - 2020-03-24 5:54 PM Is the hood ornament code any different for the Regal?


There is a separate listing for the Right, LD3-H Regal Lancer and Left, LD3-H Regal Lancer57-58 Regal Lancer Hood top Ornament, in two parts 1686 330 and 1686 331.

Here is a link to a right one (330):

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/MOPAR-NOS-1957-1958-DODGE-LANCER-REGAL-FRONT...

and this very strange listing for both:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-58-DODGE-D500-CUSTOM-ROYAL-LANCER-HOOD...





Hi Mike,

Those are standard 58 Dodge, Regal Lancer used the 57 hood ornaments which are handed, but mounted in the 58 position.

Thanks Paul.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2020-03-25 8:41 PM (#596028 - in reply to #596002)
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Yeah, those eBay listings are definitely NOT Regal.

The reason I asked about the Acousti-Foam coding was that I know all Regals came with Acousti-Foam headliner, but I had a Coronet two-door hardtop that also came equipped with Acousti-Foam - which seems very unusual in anything but a Regal!

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2020-03-26 12:51 AM (#596041 - in reply to #596028)
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Lancer Mike - 2020-03-25 8:41 PM

Yeah, those eBay listings are definitely NOT Regal.

The reason I asked about the Acousti-Foam coding was that I know all Regals came with Acousti-Foam headliner, but I had a Coronet two-door hardtop that also came equipped with Acousti-Foam - which seems very unusual in anything but a Regal!



Yeah, I know, Mike and Paul. Those eBay postings should never have been posted here!! Just pure ignorance!!

This is certainly a puzzle. In Neils extensive research he found countless examples of stuff like you describe. The only paper trail he ever found were broadcast sheets with pencilled in notes that seemed to address odd things!! Just as if an order was placed and there was an Oh, Yeah, I also want this!

Might need to ask Karl Pippard. Maybe he can shed some light on it. Maybe he already has in the 56 Dodge and CK cars where he clearly showed that CK's cars had special order codes.

Maybe the factory had standard packages offered for sale that fit the paperwork we have. Anything beyond that was a special order and had it's own purchase order code or number??

Did you get the punch card for the Coronet you had?

Greg
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mikes2nd
Posted 2020-03-26 12:08 PM (#596061 - in reply to #144239)
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Canada actually listed a part number for a "silencer" in its 58 book, but not sure if this was the accoustic headliner... maybe just a filler pad?

Canada parts books run circles around the US crap... Part number match US number btw.

Take a look at their trim diagrams! simple and full part numbers...





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mikes2nd
Posted 2020-03-26 12:14 PM (#596062 - in reply to #144239)
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If you notice... I think the Spring Special was maybe supposed to get a new "hood ornament" also.. but didnt?...
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springsweptwing
Posted 2020-03-26 12:43 PM (#596065 - in reply to #596061)
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mikes2nd - 2020-03-26 5:08 PM

Canada actually listed a part number for a "silencer" in its 58 book, but not sure if this was the accoustic headliner... maybe just a filler pad?

Canada parts books run circles around the US crap... Part number match US number btw.

Take a look at their trim diagrams! simple and full part numbers...



No that's just the insulation between headliner and steel roof, same part number listed for 1959.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2020-03-26 7:26 PM (#596083 - in reply to #596041)
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LD3 Greg - 2020-03-25 10:51 PM Did you get the punch card for the Coronet you had? Greg

I did not (that I recall)!  But I know the current owner - I'll ask.  I always wondered if Acousti-Foam (or whatever they called it) was called out on either the punch card or the data plate...

 

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2020-03-26 11:37 PM (#596100 - in reply to #596083)
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Lancer Mike - 2020-03-26 7:26 PM

LD3 Greg - 2020-03-25 10:51 PM Did you get the punch card for the Coronet you had? Greg

I did not (that I recall)!  But I know the current owner - I'll ask.  I always wondered if Acousti-Foam (or whatever they called it) was called out on either the punch card or the data plate...

 



Good thought. You and I both have been surprised what can show up on body plates! Personally, I don't think it will because that headliner doesn't influence body assembly parts and procedures. But, Hey, neither do sun visors!!
Maybe he could provide a pic of the body plate?

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Nick Nichols
Posted 2020-04-15 4:23 PM (#596882 - in reply to #144239)
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I'm trying to figure out the punch card for my Regal Lancer. The car has a D500 emblem on it that looks like it has been there for many years but the engine is a 350. I recently ordered the punch card to see what engine it came with and the section for "motor number" is blank. Was it common to leave the motor number blank or does that indicate that the engine could have been a 361 since it was a late production car(June 5th 1958)
Thanks in advance, Nick



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2020-04-15 7:27 PM (#596891 - in reply to #596882)
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Hi, Nick!

Greg and others will know more, I see a "4" code between car service and route columns.  That may possibly indicate it was a Super D500 if that translates to the 24th position on the data plate.  However, there have been some cars coded with a 4 or a 5 in the 25th position and I don't know what either of those numbers indicate.  I can tell more from the firewall data plate.



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Nick Nichols
Posted 2020-04-15 9:00 PM (#596895 - in reply to #144239)
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I'll get a photo tomorrow of the data plate. From past threads I think #3 in the 24th position denotes a D500 car??
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2020-04-15 9:24 PM (#596901 - in reply to #596895)
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That's correct. A number 4 in that position indicates a Super D500

(this is all assuming you have a Hamtramck Main built car)



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2020-04-16 12:25 AM (#596911 - in reply to #596901)
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Hi Nick,
Great car! It will be interesting to check it all out but I go by the punch card. Simply because it was the blueprint to build it and generated the invoice. Card column 37 is “power plants”. You have no code there so it was a 350 or at least it was to be invoiced as a “standard” 350.

Please post any/all info you have!!

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Nick Nichols
Posted 2020-04-16 5:58 PM (#596953 - in reply to #144239)
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Here is the data plate for my 58 regal lancer. a bit hard to read but it seems that there is a #5 in the 23rd position, whatever that means

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2020-04-16 8:50 PM (#596962 - in reply to #596953)
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That 23rd position is "car service" - yeah, whatever a 5 there means!  wash-n-wax - who knows!

As Greg notes, definitely not a D500 - but still, soooooo awesome!

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Posted 2020-04-16 8:57 PM (#596964 - in reply to #144239)
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I actually like the 350 motor better than the D500 because a smaller bore would be nice. Cut down a 413 crank to go into it, and you would have a very torquey motor that gets great fuel mileage too. Best of both worlds!
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Nick Nichols
Posted 2020-04-16 11:03 PM (#596971 - in reply to #596964)
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Okay guys. Thank you so much for the info!!

I always figured it was not a factory D500 but when the punch card came in the mail recently with no engine info I
started thinking that there may be a chance it was.

Nick
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2020-04-17 12:26 AM (#596979 - in reply to #596971)
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Does anybody know what is included in Accessory Group 7 for 58 Dodges?

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frwl
Posted 2020-04-17 2:29 PM (#597010 - in reply to #144239)
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I got some info:
417 = Accessory Group #7: Front Bumper Guards, Rear Bumper Guards, License Plate Frame
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2020-04-17 8:10 PM (#597022 - in reply to #597010)
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frwl - 2020-04-17 2:29 PM

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I got some info:
417 = Accessory Group #7: Front Bumper Guards, Rear Bumper Guards, License Plate Frame


Thanks Igor. I was wondering, is that license plate frame or license plate insert?

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frwl
Posted 2020-04-18 12:07 AM (#597023 - in reply to #144239)
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2020-04-18 1:32 AM (#597024 - in reply to #144239)
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The insert! Yeah, that is what I had in my notes.

The Bumper Appearance Group. Thank you. You have some neat literature!

Greg
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2020-04-18 10:13 AM (#597041 - in reply to #597024)
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That is really neat, Igor!  What is that booklet?

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Posted 2020-04-18 11:00 AM (#597044 - in reply to #597041)
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Lancer Mike - 2020-04-18 7:13 AM
That is really neat, Igor!  What is that booklet?


I'm not Igor but I recognize what that is: The 1958 Dodge accessories brochure:

Troxel's has one:

https://www.autopaper.com/1958-dodge-dealer-accessories-sales-brochu...

There are few on eBay:

https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_odkw=%281958+Dodge+Accessories+broch...

This one is the best price:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1958-DODGE-ACCESSORIES-BROCHURE-CAT...





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Posted 2020-04-18 3:44 PM (#597050 - in reply to #144239)
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Yes – this is a ’58 Dodge Accessories Booklet, as Dave said.
Unfortunately, I don't have it, I saved the pictures only. It had sold on ebay.
Greg and Michael: check your email…
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Posted 2020-04-18 4:00 PM (#597051 - in reply to #144239)
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Forgot to say:
If we are looking to the contents in the booklet – there are SIX groups in it.
Basic, Radio, Appearance, Convenience, Bumper Appearance and Safety…
But in the build sheet are SEVEN.
Maybe the difference hides in the Appearance Groups:
Appearance No. 1 = Wheel Covers
Appearance No. 2 = Deluxe Wheel Covers plus Rear Quarter Stone Shields

And in whole:
Accessory Group 311 – Basic
Accessory Group 312 – Radio
Accessory Group 313 – Convenience
Accessory Group 314 – Appearance
Accessory Group 315 – Deluxe Appearance
Accessory Group 316 – Safety
Accessory Group 317 – Bumper Appearance

Correct me, if I’m wrong…





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LD3 Greg
Posted 2020-04-18 8:06 PM (#597059 - in reply to #597051)
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The stone shields, two-tone plastic steering wheel, electric clock and regular wheel covers are included with the appearance group.
The deluxe appearance group is the same except includes the spinner wheel covers

Your list is correct.

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Powerflite
Posted 2020-04-18 10:26 PM (#597062 - in reply to #144239)
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That makes a lot of sense. My '58 Coronet came with all those options at once, stone shields, 2-tone plastic steering wheel, electric clock, and standard wheel covers. Would the deluxe interior be included in one of these as well? My car has that as well.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2020-04-18 11:38 PM (#597063 - in reply to #597062)
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The Custom Coronet equipment will be coded in the “trim” code. Standard Coronet trim codes will be prefixed with numeral 1 whereas Custom Coronet trim codes will be prefixed as 2. They will be three numeral codes. At least for Detroit built Dodges. Not sure about others.

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Posted 2020-04-18 11:55 PM (#597064 - in reply to #597063)
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Oops! Sorry, better disregard what I said. I was going by memory and and should realize now that old people shouldn’t do that!! I got 57 and 58 Dodges mixed up. What I said is true for 57 but not necessarily for 58.

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Nick Nichols
Posted 2020-04-19 11:28 AM (#597076 - in reply to #597064)
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Does anyone know what dealership reflects the 80003 code on my punch card for my Regal Lancer?
Thank you, Nick
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