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Location: San Diego, CA | This car, in the $15k range would sure be tempting. I mean, how many can there be?? I have my doubts on a Michigan car with no rust. Of course, it may have spent most of its life in Phoenix so who knows. Anyway, I hope it goes to a good home. Heaven knows, it has been used and abused something fierce! |
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Location: Fairfield County, CT | I can't believe a thread has been going on for 3 months on Regal Lancers and I didn't know about it! I guess I've been spending too much time working on the car to read this forum. I have a lot of information that I can add to the data base on Regal Lancers. I'll post on different topics so this doesn't get too long. Below are some pictures of the original interior that I recently removed. These seats used the bolster type asembly which I'm told is similar to Adventurer seats. My interior set is being used by Gary Goers as a pattern to do a run of interior sets for a number of owners. Although my interior was worn it was intact and was in dry inside storage for the past 28 years. If you read this and need an interior please contact Gary as these are in production as I write this. The materials are being sourced from SMS and others to get the best possible match. You'll note that the piping is copper not black. On the back of the fabric is a date of 12/17/57 and a signature by "Tony". I think he was proud of his work. These are very complex interiors to create.
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Location: bishop, ca | Hopefully, Gary will make up 2-4 extra sets of interiors, above his order-number.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | d500neil - 2009-01-02 5:37 PM Hopefully, Gary will make up 2-4 extra sets of interiors, above his order-number. I doubt he will ! knowing that he makes all the 300 interiors to order as orders come.
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Location: bishop, ca | With the correct/proper material (from SMS) ANY local-competent auto upholstery shop should be able to
stitch together these seats.
My own shop, here, custom created a set of Regal Lancer seats, using the OEM remnants as patterns.
As there IS some measure of careful work involved in creating these seats, it would be nice if Gary, once he gets all
geared-up to sew these seats, would continue to make a few extra ones, instead of having to waste time/energy in
re-learning the construction details involved in creating these seats' detail-patterns.
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Location: Fairfield County, CT | Neil, You're right. Any good upholstery shop can do this work. For me the timing was right. A few other owners that were looking for an intact pattern set because theirs were so badly deteriorated asked me to send mine to Gary. I know there are orders for 5 sets right now which include mine, the KS/CO black Regal, The Ruffalo/BJ Regal, another Regal on the left coast and one guy that wants to put them in his Custom Royal convertible. It would be a good idea to have a couple sets on the shelf. I'll suggest this to Gary but it's a business decision in the end. I'm sure he will keep the patterns and a stock of materials in any case. He is also arranging for door panels to be redone through an arrangement he has with SMS where he gets better turn-around as a vendor. I'm not getting my door panels done but I hear the quality is very good. I have a lot of other Regal Lancer info and pictures I'd like to post. It will clarify a lot of the questions that have been posted in this thread. Should I continue here (we've totally hijacked this thread) or start a new thread elsewhere? |
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Joe Mac - 2009-01-03 9:52 PM
Should I continue here (we've totally hijacked this thread) or start a new thread elsewhere?
I would say post HERE as this has turned in to a Great 1958 Regal Lancer Thread
OR
Start a New Thread in the " Body, Glass, Interior and Trim " Region...
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Location: Fairfield County, CT | Here's some pictures of the sales brochure that show the Acousti-Foam headliner and generally hype the uniqueness of this model. Note that despite that color code being copper poly they refer to the color as bronze. I guess that sounded classier. Also notice the white car appears to have gold Regal Lancer script and spear.
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Location: The Mile High City | Hi, Joe:
That's fantastic! I am glad you found the thread - I would continue posting here - since this thread has become "all things" Regal. Yours is perhaps one of the most exciting Regals, being a D-500 in a otherwise unseen color combination. I know Tony Richards was lobbying hard to get that Regal. I would have been too, but for the fact that I did not know the owner and nobody who knew about the car would reveal the owner's identity to me! I do wish I could have seen that car in person. However, knowing that you have it and are on this site is wonderful. I am glad to hear that Goers is reproducing the interior. His name is synonymous with top-quality.
I am also surprised to hear that the Ruffalo/BJ car is one of the customers for a new interior. I sat in the car an it seemed very, very nice. I suppose it is always good to have a spare! I have a Coronet convertible (under restoration) and I've often wondered what that interior would look like in a convertible.
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Location: bishop, ca | Oh, definitely, THIS should remain as the Regal Lancer Thread/board!
It's very-nice to know that Gary is going to re-pop the door panels, too.
That only pretty-much leaves the headliner as being Unobtanium, and it/they can be reasonably-facsimilied by installing
bronze vinyl material, with MoPar Mel's chromed roof rail bows.
The sun visors would be tough to re-do, with their Mylar trim, on padded bronze-vinyl material.
Frostbite is looking to become MORE interesting, now, and, the seller will probably be getting very anxious to sell it, as he's
been advertising it for quite some time.
Joe, did you check-out my Regal lancer PRESS KIT, earlier-on, in this thread?
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Location: bishop, ca | BTW, on the 3rd page of this thread, on the "Regal 3.jpg" photo, there is a good view of the padded-bronze sunvisor
with Mylar trim, AND, the remains of an OEM Accouti-Foam headliner--lolol....
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | d500neil - 2009-01-05 11:59 PM
BTW, on the 3rd page of this thread, on the "Regal 3.jpg" photo, there is a good view of the padded-bronze sunvisor
with Mylar trim, AND, the remains of an OEM Accouti-Foam headliner--lolol....
I saw it on page 2 Better...
My Question is, What Model and Years ( 57.58.59 ) did they fit the Mylar Trim / Padded Sun-Visor ???? I have them fitted on my 59 as mine had the Cardboard type ( still have them ) .. I bought some from Ebay 2 years back, they where listed as 58, So i pulled the Bar out and fitted the Chrome 59 Bar to it, Mine are a Cream colour with the Mylar Trim to match my " Custom " Interior ( also has Mylar on door panels ) ..??????????? |
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Location: bishop, ca | Clive, as far as I know, the padded sun visors were a 1958 Dodge item, only----not certain about a 1959 carry-over,
though.
I had a set of padded sunvisors that I took off of a 1958 PLY Sport Suburban (IIRC) which were ivory, with the Mylar trim.
I sold them (too cheaply, now!) to Ed Erickson, back east, to put on his 58Fury.
Another interesting point/detail: the factory literature will show bronze-colored dash panel inserts, for the driver's gauges and on the glove box.
In production, there appears to be only(?) the standard silver-andodized aluminum dash inserts having been used (check the
photos of cars' dashes, in this thread).
If I can remember to do this, I think I'll go check my Regal Press Kit, to see if the dash inserts have unique
part numbers being listed for them.
If they do have a unique P/N shown, then, at least SOME Regals must have got the bronze anodized
dash inserts!!!----and, if no dash insert P/N's are shown, then, none of the production Regals got
bronze anodized dash inserts.
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Location: Fairfield County, CT | Lancer Mike - 2009-01-03 8:04 PM
Hi, Joe:
That's fantastic! I am glad you found the thread - I would continue posting here - since this thread has become "all things" Regal. Yours is perhaps one of the most exciting Regals, being a D-500 in a otherwise unseen color combination. I know Tony Richards was lobbying hard to get that Regal. I would have been too, but for the fact that I did not know the owner and nobody who knew about the car would reveal the owner's identity to me! I do wish I could have seen that car in person. However, knowing that you have it and are on this site is wonderful. I am glad to hear that Goers is reproducing the interior. His name is synonymous with top-quality.
I am also surprised to hear that the Ruffalo/BJ car is one of the customers for a new interior. I sat in the car an it seemed very, very nice. I suppose it is always good to have a spare! I have a Coronet convertible (under restoration) and I've often wondered what that interior would look like in a convertible.
Mike
Mike, I think the way I worded that post was misleading. I don't own the black D500 Regal (however I know the new owner and have seen the car). That black is exceptionally solid as someone else mentioned. I have a picture of the floors below.
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Location: Fairfield County, CT | Here's a better shot of the dash in the brochure. Mine wasn't actually bronze tone but in the steering wheel horn rim there was copper color between the chrome stripes. It's not unusual for the prototype cars used for promotion to be different from the production as we all know. For instance the glove box door in the brochure has no lance and sheild, where mine does. I've seen many Regals that have the plain door. Notice the print date on the brochure of 1-58. My car's schedule date is 12-26-57 and is an early build and may be a little different than the others.
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Location: The Mile High City | Boy-oh-boy! That must have been a western Kansas car from the high plains! Great photos, Joe. I probably read something into your message that I shouldn't have. At any rate, that Regal could use the Frostbite's (old) steering wheel! That point about the copper colored dash inserts is a good one. If they didn't do it they should have - I think that would really complement the dash board and interior.
Clive, there was a 1959 Custom Royal here in Denver that had those padded visors. We ran a thread about it in the Rocky Mountain Region and I think you had a few posts there. I remember when I sat inside the car noting that those visors were exactly like my 1958 Custom Royal visors. I would think that you could probably stain or color a set of those bronze to fit into a Regal, but like Neil said - slim pickins they are! |
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Location: The Mile High City | Maybe the bunch of us on this thread should chip in and buy the Frostbite  We each pay a $1,000 and you get to keep it for 365 days before you have to drive it to the next guy. Only condition is you have to convert something back to original before you send it on. Last one alive keeps it! |
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Location: Fairfield County, CT | Here's a shot of my car at the shop just before a new Metalcrafters quarter panel was welded in and floors made by R/Car. I found something interesting on the firewall. Apparently the colors were written in yellow crayon under the heater area as it came down the production line. Mine says White-White-Bronze. I never knew it was there until I stripped the engine bay. Just for laughs I checked the black D500 car and I could make out enough letters to determine it was similarly marked Bronze-Black.
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Location: bishop, ca | I don't get-it; the "white white bronze" was written AFTER the car was painted????
I wonder what the additional "19" confirms?
Not real-straight masking-off , for the side-painting, too, huh?
The interesting thing about some of the glove boxes not having lance-and-shield emblems is the fact that those "non'-"
cars must have had glove box lids, and aluminum cover-plates, from a CRL SEDAN, which did not have any pre-cut holes in the
lids and plates, to accept the 'emblems', because the sedans were not "Lancers" (and would not have had any 'emblems' ON
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Location: Fairfield County, CT | The white-white bronze was written after the "body" was painted but before the roof and side spear were painted. The overspray you see is from when the side spear paint that blew through the gap between the door and fender. I think the line under the first white means white top. Something else you'll notice in that picture is that the antenna cable hole is used. I think I had the only Regal with a fender mount antenna. Sorry for the purists out there but I'm putting dual rears on this car. It just doesn't look right to me otherwise. |
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Location: The Mile High City | No apologies necessary, Joe - it is your car. I even defended the Frostbite! I think the dual deck antennae are going to look very sharp. If you take a car down to that level, you deserve to add a few of your own touches! One of the photos you took of the bronze/bronze/black Richards / Massachusetts car you took on page 7 brings up another question.
The photo of the trunk clearly shows the 1957 trim piece on the inside edge of the fin. I did not recall this piece on the Ruffalo/BJ Regal. It looks like the piece would be unnecessary for the Regal paint job, did Regals come with that piece of trim or not? Neil, does your parts list show those pieces and the 1957 fin caps (Coronet or Royal, but not Custom Royal) necessary to fit those on to a 1958? Something seems amiss with that. |
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If I were lucky enough to snag a Regal Lancer, I'd deck her out with every conceivable period option I could get my mits on, including making her a Super D-500 and painting her with a copper body/black roof and sweep whether she rolled of the line like that or not.
I certainly wouldn't support a "Frostbite" like effort, but if/when I get mine, the slate gets wiped clean as if I'd walked into the dealership and "custom" ordered her myself - 100% stock, but with all the bells and whistles that were available at the time. |
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Location: Fairfield County, CT | Mike,
I've never seen a Regal with that stainless strip. The fin and trunk are the same color making it unecessary as a cover to a color separation. The strip above the tailight that runs from the fin end is there unless you have the potmetal inserts as mine does. Many people will tell you that these insets are incorrect for Regals but I know mine was delivered this way from the factory because there are no holes for strip. Actually I've never seen 2 Regals that are done the same. Despite the limited number of options there was a lot of subtle differences some of which I attribute to Chrysler's reputation for production line ad-libbing. That being said I will add some things that shouldn't be there also because as 55 Coro noteed these cars look good decked out. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Joe/Mike : "Never-say-never", but, WOW!
The 1957 and 1958 (except for the "Saddle-trim" painted '58's ) had completely different end-of-fin chrome "caps".
The 1957-style had mounting-tabs/ears, on the inboard side, to accept the attachment of the thin stainless steel molding
that was necessary to separate the painted fin; in 1958, the fin was painted the same color as the trunk, so, that extra
labor/parts expense was saved, without having to include the cost to install that trim piece.
The 1958 end-of-fin cap just terminates at the level of the quarter panel, 'straight-down', kinda.
Joe, you shouild carefully document the installation of that '1957' quarter panel thin-trim, and THEN, do NOT (probably!)
re-install that trim, but, fill in the mounting holes, and then go-install "correct" 1958 end-of-fin caps, if ONLY
to avoid 'questions' about the legitimacy OF your restoration----the potential hassles are just not 'worth' having those 1957
trim pieces remain installed!!!
BESIDES: yer gonna go install dual antennae, anyway.
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Location: bishop, ca | Each of the Spring Special trim pieces was officially available (per factory advertising) as dealership-installed items (hell, the factory
didn't CARE, if some owner used those factory-pieces to customize his car!)
Mike, your car has the gold-anodized "Dodge" trunk emblem. I've seen CRL's wearing either the silver, or the gold, 'plated'
nameplates, but, I can't recall the last Royal or Coro that I've seen, having the gold-colored nameplate on it.
Mike's photo clearly shows the appearance of the 1958 end-of-fin cap, which has its inboard leg just terminate at the point
where it meets the upper quarter panel; the 1957 piece has a small tab/ear/sprag connected to the inboard leg, to fit into
the thin fin-molding, as seen on Joe's photo "Trunk.jpeg" , on thread-page #7 .
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Location: Fairfield County, CT | True. it won't be cheap to put that Regal back to the way most of us would want to see - that is either original or spruced up with factory goodies. even the paint is expensive. My buddy researched the paint extensively and we finally bought it from TCP Global in san Diego. We thought two gallons would easily do our two cars. Surprise the eggshell doesn't cover well and required several coats. But when finished the Frostbite car might look as good my buddy's. The body man that did this work is also doing my car. You'll also note in the rear shot that his car had the license plate escutcheon but not the stainless insert. I have only the stainless insert. Enjoy the pix.
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Location: The Mile High City | Great photos, Joe. I wonder how the paint company matched that copper metallic spot on? In one of the earlier posts, we talked about the pait codes for copper metallic - but they are hard to find. None of the paint chip charts even show it. It is good to know that someone still knows how to make it - it looks like you have to pay a pretty penny for it though!
So that one belongs to another friend? You know all the right people! How many Regals can you account for?
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Location: Fairfield County, CT | This company was the only one that said they formulated their paint from original manufacturer's codes, no paint chip needed and they guaranteed satisfaction. Noe of the major paint manufacturers would do that. Many wanted to substitute a modern color that they had the formula for, saying it was close enough. Close wasn't good enough for my buddy. I probably would have settled for something more readily available. I don't know if I know the "right" people but I seem to know a bunch infected with the same love of Regal Lancers. With the pictures of other current owners on this thread that I didn't know about (thanks everyone for posting those and growing the list that I keep) I can account for 16. I knew of others years past but don't want to count those or the ones that were located in salvage yards. Those may be the same as ones in current owners hands or they may be gone (shudder). For instance, Moper Mel sold a restored one back in the early 90's. That car (colors ASA) may be already counted. Based on the way they keep popping up, I'd say there are 3 or 4 times as many as we think there are. |
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Location: bishop, ca | I agree, Joe; there's probably another 8 or so Regals out-there, in this country, that haven't been publically revealed.
Recall that original/unrestored 1960 NY'er convertible, which someone recently posted, on one of these here boards.
If the owner of that Regal, up-above here, wants to restore the car, properly, he should remove the front suspension
componentry and have the pieces be powder-coated in "bare-metal" finish.
The floor pans (if this car is NOT factory-undercoated) should have OEM over-spray appear/applied at right-angles to the
chassis, as the gray primer/sealer was not masked-off when the body color(s) was/were applied.
If the car was OEM undercoated, the undercoating was applied over the over-spray, hiding its appearance.
Looks like there's undercoating showing, on the fender wells.
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Location: The Mile High City | SXS = eggshell car with bronze fins, roof, and stripe
XSX = bronze car with eggshell fins, roof, and stripe
SAS = black car with bronze fins, roof, and stripe
ASA = bronze car with black fins, roof, and stripe
On this thread, most of the cars seen are SXS - including the Ruffalo/BJ car, where I shot a picture of the data trim plate. XSX are Joe's and Nick's. True SAS are rare, but Mel restored one (Joe's last thread). ASA is rare too: Richards/Massachusetts Regal. By rare, I mean surviving examples - I could only assume an even distribution of colors among the 1,163 produced - about 290 of each scheme. |
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Location: bishop, ca | A Regal Surban (that's the 2-dor wagon) would WORK!
Maybe "Frostbite" could be sacrificed to create a Regal Suburban.....
I was being facetious, but now: hmmmmmmm?
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Location: The Mile High City |  Of all the things done to the Frostbite, that would be the straw that broke the camel's back! Unfortunately, the Suburbans are equally rare. It would be a tragedy on both ends.
The more I look at the Frostbite, the more I like it. I know folks have been very critical of it, but it grows on me. I think my initial estimation of a sale price at $15K might have been too harsh. I think it might be a good deal at $18K. I would still un-pimp the interior and put some proper white shoes on it. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Mike, go read Brent's comment, about the "all's-fair" in putting re-popped Fuelie-emblems on a car.
What's so different, or wrong, about building a Regal Lancer convertible, or wagon?---(EVERYTHING, right)?
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
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Location: bishop, ca | The problem with "clones" is not so much with the car, while still owned by the 'creator', but with its claimed provenance
by subsquent owners, and/or from it becoming a "legitimate" fake, and/or from its diminishing the value of real car models.
Strangely, the creators of the varying-extents-of-clones take a different viewpoint regarding the legitimacy of what they are
doing, and whether their car is "now" a D500, a V800 Plymouth, Super D500, or Fury, or 300, or fuel-injected whatever....merely
because of what THEY have done to their car.
Of course, there are no laws proscribing what you/I can do with our cars, but, there ARE laws concerning the mis-representation
of an object as being "legitimate", in order to increase its sale-value.
Hmmm: CLONED artwork!
ACTUALLY, there is such a thing; the copying-artist merely signs his OWN name to the canvass, or to the 'piece'.
Edited by d500neil 2009-01-16 6:07 PM
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Location: Sept. 1958 | It's back on eBay again:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-Dodge-Regal-Lancer-RARE-Only-11... |
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Location: The Mile High City | Thanks, Matt! The Frostbite deserves to be watched. Is it growing on anyone else? I think Jim could do a much better sales pitch with this car and probably get pretty close to what he wants. And, my goodness, it was 1,163 - no need to round it down or round it at all. Alas, Jim would have been better to point them here - wikipedia got us this time! |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
Posts: 19146
Location: bishop, ca | I'm lazy: what has been the max-bid on Frostbite, previously?
The seller should be willing to deal on its sale, in THIS economy; he must need the money, over the possession,
of this car!
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1958 Regal Lancer
