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Posted 2008-09-19 3:04 AM (#145242 - in reply to #145216)
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d500neil - 2008-09-19 3:20 AM

Well, fudge; I'm back @ the office with the Press Kit.

Gonna send some pics to Clive, so, when he wakes up, he can send em here; even got the part numbers for the Accousti-Foam
(that's how it's spelled) headliners, if anyone wants to go order it from Your Friendly Dodge Dealer.....

Also, I've included the P/N's for the hood ornaments, and they show a late 1956 (i.e.: 1957 model year application) numbering.

So, with no further ado... Clive!!!!???








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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-19 12:58 PM (#145274 - in reply to #145242)
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Nifty! Somewhere I have an original Regal sales poster - but it is nowhere close to the depth of the press information kit! I wonder what they mean by the special mirrors - twin strut? - of course! I had never heard them called out like that.

Oh, and the grille medallion part number is just out of view! Nuts! I could check - I have both types in my garage!

Neil, that is a fantastic document! You should really scan that and make .pdf files and post them on the site (my opinion)!

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-19 3:26 PM (#145283 - in reply to #145242)
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Now I will also have to check the "quarter trim panel finish cap" 1830 794 and 795 - I am nearly certain that is the Spring Trim fin cap! If that is the case, it is interesting that you don't see the wide license plate eschutcheon, which was a 19XX XXX number (perhaps even a 20XX XXX number), if I recall correctly. The caps and the eschutcheon complement one another, but when separated, they cry out for the missing componentry.

Also, if the caps are supposed to be there, only a precious few actually made it out the door with them - as evidenced by photos of the survivors!
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Posted 2008-09-19 7:24 PM (#145314 - in reply to #144239)
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..."SAFETY" headliner, huh?

Thanx, Clive.

This is not really the forum for it, but, I can post complete views of the Regal's unique-dedicated
parts listings, if you want to see them.

The Spring Special license plate escutcheons and the triangular end-of-fin caps were not
a part of the Regal's equipment.

BTW, the 1958 small, stainless-steel "License Plate Insert" option-piece (which was included in the "Bumper Group of Accessories") is NOT the same item, as the Spring Special's tremendously-large chromed-potmetal license plate "escutcheon".








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d500neil
Posted 2008-09-19 7:36 PM (#145315 - in reply to #144239)
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Something ELSE interesting about the Regals: if you recall that high-line advertisement for the 57 Dodge, featuring the
profile shot of the red/white CRL, with its series of backdrop-detail-illustrations , 'hanging-on-a-wall', behind a guy,
and IF you have the full 2-page spread of that ad: look closely at the illustration for its interior, and you will see
depicted a bolster-treatment precisely like that of the Regal lancer's pseudo-bucket seats, with their elevated bolster-
supports, and recessed upholstery.

The 57's and standard 58's upholstery was produced in a flat bench seating style, but the Regals' "contoured" seats were planned- for PRIOR to the 1957 models!















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d500neil
Posted 2008-09-19 7:53 PM (#145317 - in reply to #144239)
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WOW; I missed out on checking the posts at the end of page two!

I mentioned that the Regals ARE "out" there; two of em (same motif, too) showed up at the same show.

Mike, that black car almost certainly is 'merely(ha!)' a Spring Special trimmed-out car; not a Regal.

MORE trivia: what colors are the SPEAR ornaments on a Regal?

OK; can't wait; they are CHROMED, not gold plated; and, of course, the shield emblems have black paint on their inner areas.

That bronze vinyl headliner looks great; Aivar Lejin's car has a similar bronze-vinyl headliner.

And, PAT (et al): you do know that MoPar Mel is selling chromed headliner bows (hopefully, with chromed end-caps, too)?

Think he wants $100.00 for them, but they are exactly what EVERY Regal-owner needs for his car!







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d500neil
Posted 2008-09-19 8:04 PM (#145318 - in reply to #144239)
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I also bought some photos, on Evilpay, recently, of a disgruntled new-owner of a Regal (4/58) demonstrating his
displeasure about how the hood insulator pad was (not-)glued to the hood underside, and apparently showing
displeasure about a loose spring associated with the OEM lower A/C ducting (at the trannie-hump), and also poking
his finger into a seam on the driver's seat-bottom (can't really see his complaint, there, too well).

The car is white, with bronze trim, and the photos are BxW.

But, you guys wouldn't want to see THOSE photos, huh?








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Posted 2008-09-19 10:08 PM (#145333 - in reply to #145317)
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yeah, i know. keep hoping he will get tired of sitting on 19 sets or whatever his listing says and have a discount sale. are you sure they will fit a regal or are they for a 59 sport fury --going from front to back instead of side to side??? actually need a set of both. pat
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-20 1:27 AM (#145352 - in reply to #145333)
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I thought MoPar Mel was doing the Belvy stuff, front to back. Maybe he is produding a side to side chrome set??? I went to a local junkyard and pulled a hard metal chrome set from a 1960 DeSoto - works perfect.

Neil - dang straight I am interested!!! Post it dad-gum! Any Regal business is my business (even though I don't own one).. I am going to look up those part #'s right now.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-20 1:33 AM (#145353 - in reply to #145352)
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NOPE! I am wrong again! The spring special caps are PN 1950078 and 1950079! I thought I recognized those 18 numbers but the synapses and dendrites failed me again. Nuts.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-20 1:39 AM (#145354 - in reply to #145353)
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Chrome spears?!? Holy Toledo! You can clearly see 'em on Nick's Regal, but they are not right on the barret-jackson car! Man-o-man! I love learning something brand new. Silver annodized spears must be like hen's teeth. Easy to recreate, but dang tough to find NOS.

It seems as though we have wondered far afield from the Frostbite. What a wonderful trip it has been. Pat, Nick and the boys ought to form their own website and club. Maybe Neil and I can sneak in as wannabe members - well, maybe I can sneak on as a wannabe. Neil knows his stuff.

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Posted 2008-09-20 6:46 PM (#145389 - in reply to #144239)
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I'm a serious wannabe; been studying them since the mid 80's.

I should go back and check Nick's car, et al, but Aivar's Regal has a coral-coloed grille emblem, IIRC, not a standard black one,
like all the other cars have.

Actually, the Regals are fairly easy to research, since they were a limited production mid-year model, with essentially no
exterior trim options besides ft and/or rear bumper guards, antennae, mirrors, and the 4 color schemes.

That B-J car, and as seen on prior-to-BJ-photos, has one-or-both shield emblems facing backwards, and, of course, it
has the 'gold' spears instead of the chromed ones---actually silver- anodized; not shiny-chrome.

NOPE! All of the cars on this post, except, maybe, one of those two 'show' cars, have grille emblems which are black; now THAT'S something to research: could any/all/some of the grille emblems be coral, or black ???

Unless a car is really wasted, ain't nobody gonna be expected to have to replace a grille emblem on
a car; so, most-all of the Regals 'should' have their OEM grille emblems still be installed on them.








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Posted 2008-09-21 2:49 PM (#145442 - in reply to #144239)
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Ok; just sent some pics to Clive, to post, here.

First two will show Aivar Lejin's Regal, with its apparently OEM coral-colored grille badge.

That Regal, in the background of the 'Car Show' photo, might also have a coral-colored badge.

Aivar's car also shows its weathered hood pad-insulator.

Aivar's car is coded for having OEM undercoating, which brings us to the four vinatge photos:

Vintage shots are obviously the best measure of original equipment appearance and condition.

Here, we see Mr. new-car-disgruntled-owner demonstrating that there was little, if any apparent mastic applied to glue
the pad to the hood.

That OEM pad looks just like Aivar's hood pad (except for condition and glue-edness...)

This car has a black grille emblem, and an interesting massive-application of sealer around the top of the heater housing.

In the next photo we see that the factory installed the 1957-style air cleaner on an A/C equipped car, for room/space
considerations.

As Aivar's car was/is a single-4 B-block 361 D500, I wonder if it, too received this limited-flow air cleaner, or whether it received
the better-flowing 1957 single-four D500 air cleaner (identical to NY'er and IMP), with its large oval air-element (probably: yes).

In the next two images, Mr. happy-owner is picking a nit about how the lower A/C duct was apparently not-well connected to
the dashboard. That lower duct is really cheesy-looking, however.

Notice ho NICE that the new-bright-shiny trim is, and, the brand-new brake pedal, and the exposed wiring hanging down,
below the dash panel.

Then, we see him gesturing at some defect(?) in the driver's seat bottom upholstery.

He really shouldn't have worried about that seam defect; the cloth would shred, soon enough.

Also seen is the appearance of the OEM power seat housing, but, more importantly, the vinyl skirt
that was secured (somehow) to the seat bottom. In 1957, that skirt was stapled to the bottom of the large plastic
power seat housing assembly.















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Posted 2008-09-21 4:51 PM (#145449 - in reply to #145442)
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d500neil - 2008-09-21 7:49 PM

Ok; just sent some pics to Clive, to post, here.






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Posted 2008-09-22 11:30 AM (#145575 - in reply to #145442)
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Great photos, Neil. The floor board well necessary for the power seat option is very interesting too in that it is so deep. The Richards family just sent me a few photos of the Kansas - Denver Regal, which completes photos of the various color schemes. Despite it's poor condition, it appears mostly complete and somewhat unmolested. Although I have never seen the car, I have been told that there is very little rust to be found.

The first shot shows the back end: it is missing the D-500 emblem. An engine photo (not included) shows that this car has the Super D-500 manifold, carbs, and linkage. The air cleaners are missing. Unfortunately, the original exhaust tips appear to be missing as well.

The second photo shows the original rear seat and a grille. If this is the original grille for the car, it came equipped with the Coronet grille emblem - that seems unlikely that a Regal would recieve a Coronet grille emblem, but you just never know.

The third photo is a good shot of original Accousti-Foam and original bow covers.

The fourth photo is a good shot of the original door panel and copper-and-black brocade cloth.

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Posted 2008-09-22 12:13 PM (#145578 - in reply to #145575)
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And some better photos of the entire car. It looks like at some point, they placed the standard antenna on the rear deck.



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Posted 2008-09-22 12:26 PM (#145580 - in reply to #145578)
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I presume you All seen this one..



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Posted 2008-09-22 5:06 PM (#145627 - in reply to #145580)
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Hi, Clive:

That is Jess Ruffalo's car that was auctioned at Barrett-Jackson for $70,000 earlier this year. I even went for a ride in the back seat on the way up to the auction stage. Who owns this nifty Regal?

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=21965&posts=1&highlight=Regal&highlightmode=1#M141210

Neil:

In the vintage photos, it looks like the car either has a rear speaker or a rear defogger!  If you look at the headliner shot of Regal 3, you see the sun visors which are just like the CRL visors, but copper instead of ivory.  That's what I expect in the Regals.  The Accousti-Foam visors were in the base level Coronet interiors and it seems to me they wouldn't fit the fancy factor in the Regals.

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Posted 2008-09-22 9:33 PM (#145683 - in reply to #144239)
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I take 'that' back: I'll bet that BLACK, with bronze-accent is the rarest color combo!!!

You can see, on this B-J car, that the restorer didn't know HOW to position the shield-emblems; there is/are dedicated
lt/rt side versions of it, and this car has both of them facing backwards.

Mike, your friend's Regal has a very unusual grille emblem; it resembles a Coro/Roy Spring Special emblem, and not that
"Full-Heraldry" emblem, which, altho appearing on certain 1957 Dodges, WAS adopted as the 'official' 1958 Dodge emblem.

That car's trunk IS drilled for a D500 emblem.

Yeah, that Accousti-Foam stuff was some-fun, when it started to go bad!





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Posted 2008-09-22 9:38 PM (#145684 - in reply to #144239)
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Well, I know that I have seen a MINT Accousti-Foam headliner in an entry-level 1961 Dart 2-dr HT (manual-everything/
6-banger).

That is a rear speaker knob, that you see; meant to mention that; the rear defroster worked off of a toggle switch, under the dash.

This was a heavily optioned car.

I sold some padded sunvisors to a guy, a couple years ago just like these, except they were the standard ivory color.

REMEMBER: from the Press Kit info: the Accousti-Foam headliners were installed for "SAFETY" considerations-lololololol....





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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-22 11:36 PM (#145693 - in reply to #145683)
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I would love to see a fully-restored black with bronze accent Regal. Somehow, I just don't think it would be as striking as the reverse - but you never know. A shiny black car is tough to beat - and tough to keep clean! My impression of those Spring Special grille emblems is that they have separate emblems for each model; Coronet, as shown in the back seat of the Kansas - Denver Regal; Royal, with black paint and chrome helmet; and Custom Royal, with red paint and gold helmet. A Regal was, I think, a special edition of the Custom Royal and should have had the Custom Royal emblem like Aivar's.

In practice, perhaps the different plants had varying supplies of each grille emblem and they may have used what they had at the time. With today's surviving representatives, you can't tell model by grille emblem and you can't tell grille emblem by model. That may have been the way it was in 1959 too.
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Posted 2008-09-23 3:51 AM (#145708 - in reply to #144239)
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Oh, ok, that IS a spare (S.-S.) grille, sitting in the back of that car?

If the Richards family doesn't already have a copy of their "Super D500" IBM card, if someone can PM me with the car's VIN, I can forward the VIN to Darrell Davis, and he CAN confirm the car's D500 status, the next time that he goes to Detroit, to research the IBM records, at the H.S. .

A lot of the Regals seem to have a black grille emblem, rather than the Coral one.

Doesn't the Regal, in the distance of that 'show' photo, seem to have a 'colored' emblem, too? It's a long way away from the camera, but I think that I can see a slight reddish tint on iit.







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Posted 2008-09-23 4:13 AM (#145709 - in reply to #144239)
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Not Mine. Here is a picture of a Regal Lancer from way up here in Northern Wisconsin. I believe the guy said it has 30,000 original miles but he needs a/c because his went out or something. I told him about this site. I don't think he has made it here yet.



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Posted 2008-09-23 3:18 PM (#145743 - in reply to #145708)
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Justin, I think it is neat that you even saw one of these at a local show and posted the picture in your region page! I still think they are a rare treat.

Neil - I guess that is a spare Spring Special grille on the back seat, but I don't know. To me, it does not seem beyond the realm of possibility that it could be the original grille for that Regal. The Richards family was negotiating to buy the car from someone, but the deal fell through. If I can ever get in contact with the owner, I will try to get the VIN.

Yes! That Regal in the far away background does look like it has the red emblem. That is one of the reasons I suspect it is the same Regal as the one in the photo below it (which also has the red emblem). Note the black wheel rims on both cars and the narrow white wall tires. The one in the lower picture has really odd spinner hubcaps. They look like they might be the chrome remanufactured jobs rather than the stainless stockers.
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Posted 2008-09-23 5:10 PM (#145757 - in reply to #144239)
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Those do appear to be photos of the same car; note the general similarities, but also; the passenger's side windshield wiper is positioned considerably higher than the driver's side wiper, in both pics.

Mike, you wouldn't happen be able to score a pic of that 'Richards family' car's engine compartment?

A lot of times, there are tell-tales as to a Super D500 'conversion', based upon peculiar fuel lines and/or fuel filter appearances and applications; E.G: the stainless steel fuel line should not be-all-nicely formed and cut, there should not be any intermediate rubber fuel-line connections, there are incorrect ways to plumb into the two carbs, and of course, there have to be correct date-coded carburetors installed.

Given that it was a top-of-the-line model it should not be particularly surprising, but it appears that quite
a few Regals were OEM A/C equipped.







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Posted 2008-09-23 9:47 PM (#145798 - in reply to #144239)
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Just got PM'ed by a friend (yeah, I got some of them!) who informs me that he had previously sent me the P/T
plate image, on the "Richards" car (it IS a small MoPar world), and that I found that it was a single-4 D500.

But, HEY; that means that several D500 Regals have survived!






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Posted 2008-09-23 10:55 PM (#145808 - in reply to #145798)
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And speaking of Regal Lancers, (very interesting thread by the way, I've enjoyed it-these cars are fascinating) I know this has probably been asked many many times but is that bronze color available? Is there a code for it that is usable? I'd love to paint my '58 CRL in those colors.
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Posted 2008-09-24 4:07 PM (#145866 - in reply to #145808)
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it is funny how my mind plays tricks on me! I could have sworn that the picture showed the carbs...but

Here is the note from Ivy Richards:

"Here is the only picture of the engine bay for the Regal that we have. It's a little dark and
Tony tells me the intake manifold was just resting on the engine and didn't belong to the
car. So, I don't know if the picture will be of any help, but here it is."

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Posted 2008-09-24 4:14 PM (#145869 - in reply to #145866)
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Oh, Jeff:

I think I can get that paint code. I have a paint chip chart from DuPont or Ditzler or Duco...it is paint code S for the 1958 Dodge. "Metallic Copper"??? I think I have it anyway. It doesn't appear with the spring special paint chips!

Well, there I go again - making up stuff I have never seen! My Duco sheets don't show it and my Acme sheets don't show it.

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Posted 2008-09-24 11:16 PM (#145933 - in reply to #145869)
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That Kansas - Colorado Regal made it all the way out to Massachusetts (new home)! The owner does have a D-500 emblem for it and the exhaust tips, so that helps. I heard the block was cracked, so the new owner is looking for a low mileage 361 - either Dodge, DeSoto, or Chrysler. Hopefully, he might find it on the forums!
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Posted 2008-09-25 5:36 AM (#145954 - in reply to #144239)
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Hey, I have a good 1958 361 engine, it was pulled from a running 58 Desoto. If anyone knows the owner of the car, please forward him my info. or have him PM me here
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Posted 2008-09-25 2:21 PM (#145987 - in reply to #144239)
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Christopher, what is your car's stamping-number (on the flat-area, by the distributor), and, if your engine
is not installed, you should be able to check out its casting-date, at the upper rear of the block, behind the
intake manifold .








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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-25 11:32 PM (#146061 - in reply to #145987)
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Christopher, I sent my contact your e-mail address - I hope he will send it on to the owner.
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Posted 2008-09-26 3:56 AM (#146074 - in reply to #144239)
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Thanks for passing the information on, I will be speaking to the new owner soon. I have never check the codes on it yet, but it is not installed.
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Posted 2008-09-29 6:31 PM (#146360 - in reply to #144388)
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Neil's car is a Regal Lancer?

The ebay car in question is an easy fix. Paint and a little bondo crammed in the antenna holes (LOL!!) and a new interior.. presto.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-10-13 4:42 PM (#147981 - in reply to #146360)
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No, Danny - Neil has a gorgeous '57 Custom Royal Lancer D500. Oh, and the Frostbite is on craigslist in the Detroit area. I do wonder what it would take to "restore" it back to an original interior and original paint colors.

I once saw a tribute car, I think it was a Coronet Lancer that was painted black and bronze in a traditional saddle without the color spears on the side. It had a neat Regal-looking copy interior. I wonder if a person could do that to the Frostbite without paying an arm and a leg? I'll see if I can post some pictures.
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Posted 2008-10-13 8:52 PM (#148020 - in reply to #144239)
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The hardest part of restoring "Frostbite" would be doing the interior, completely right.

SMS makes and sells (believe it or don't) the correct bronze upholstery cloth, and vinyls.

Re-popping the door trim panels would be tough, but not impossible, as SMS (eventually-lolol) can
re-make the heat embossments in the vinyl.

Fortunately, Frostbite's steering wheel looks to be in great condition.

Step-1, besides seeing what rational price could be had for the car is: confirming its OEM paint scheme, and finding
out how excited you might be, in replicating that color scheme.--Gold, with the white trim would be my personal
least-favorite, followed closely by gold, with black trim. Then: it's a toss-up between white, with gold, and black, with
gold--depends where you may live: out in the desert SoWest: white w/gold; back-anywhere-back-east: black, with gold
trim.

Black IS the nastiest/meanest/richest 'color', but, it's the hardest to maintain, and not fun, in 85+ degree cloudless weather.






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Posted 2008-10-13 10:20 PM (#148032 - in reply to #148020)
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well, dont count on the door panels from SMS, I have been waiting over 2 years now---everytime I call them I get a different story

Gary
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Posted 2008-10-14 2:02 AM (#148045 - in reply to #144239)
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SMS made-up my car's door panel sheet vinyl, with the Mylar ovoids, in seemingly record time: several months.

My local upholstery shop, then, mated the SMS vinyl to the car's existing OEM door insert-material, and then attached it to aftermarket heavy 'cardboard' backing board.

Guess that I was just lucky; we really need someone in the Portland area to start a side business where he could deal directly WITH SMS, and approve of and accept whatever material that they might produce.

It has been asserted that SMS advises that too much of their product needs to be purchased, and that the material that they DO provide is either (slightly) incorrect-style/appearance, or of sub-standard or defective quality.

My experiences with SMS have been positive; others' experiences may vary......and that's really unfort- unate, for all of us.





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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-10-16 12:41 AM (#148410 - in reply to #148045)
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Here are the pictures of that tribute car. It was a Custom Royal (maybe), not a Coronet. This is the type of interior I was thinking of for the Frostbite. Granted, it is not picture perfect - but probably not as expensive as something from SMS or (gasp!) new old stock. I bet any local upholstery shop could duplicate it with some success. Repaint the exterior of the Frostbite and you have a decent driver Regal that would be miles ahead of this tribute car.

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Posted 2008-10-16 1:16 AM (#148414 - in reply to #148410)
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That looks like GOLD and black rather than the COPPER and black of the Regals. The Copper color had a lot more red tone in it. I once owned a 58 Coronet 2HT painted in that color combo, but reversed. It was original paint and hardly something that could be construed a "tribute" car. One of the few I truly regret not hanging on to.
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Posted 2008-10-16 3:59 PM (#148480 - in reply to #148414)
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That is an odd one - it is not quite gold and a far cry from bronze / copper. In 1958, Dodge did produce a paint called "sand metallic" and this might be it. As someone pointed out, finding a paint chip for the bronze / copper color is not easy. I called this a tribute because the interior obviously wants to be Regal, but the exterior just isn't. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, I posted these pictures as a possible inspiration for the Frostbite. It all may be moot - I looked on craig's list and I don't see the Frostbite anymore
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Posted 2008-10-16 8:24 PM (#148504 - in reply to #144239)
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Mike, if someone is making a tribute/clone/hot-rod/etc car, then there are no limits as to originality or correctness.

Frostbite is/was a real Regal Lancer.

Some chrome-shop (IIRC) has/had a great credo: "The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten."

SMS's materials costs won't be extravagant, as relatively very LITTLE upholstery cloth will be required---I don't think that
there is any upholstery, even, on the seat backs.

As the cloth is sold in 6'-wide swaths, only about 1-2 yards would be required for the entire car.

I don't know if SMS would try to hit you for a "Regal Tax", on the cloth and vinyl.

Your own upholstery shop will stitch it up, at their usual labor rate (same as for that 'tribute' car's work).

The largest cost would be the formation of the heat-embossed trim; again, your shop will assemble the 'loose'
material, and install the headliner (using the bronze vinyl).

It MIGHT be a waste of your time/money, but as I know that SMS has previously produced the Regal Lancer cloth and
vinyl, in your position, I would recommend that you get on a 'cheap' airline and personally visit SMS and attempt to buy the
material over the counter.

You might also have (by then) some actual measurements/data on the heat-embossed trim vinyl, so that you could personally
arrange and order that work to be done, and get an eyeball-to-eyeball deal on when the vinyl would be produced.

You also could know precisely how much vinyl and trim that you need to buy, so that SMS doesn't over-sell you on the
material.

This is how I think that I would deal with SMS on a new-large order, for material that they should have on-hand (you could
confirm their supply-availability, before getting on the airline; let em know that you're coming, for it).

HELL, you can call them right-now/tomorrow and confirm the availability and cost OF the Regal Lancer
cloth-and-vinyl!!!











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Posted 2008-10-16 10:48 PM (#148523 - in reply to #148504)
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i got prices and samples for vinyl and cloth a couple of years ago from SMS. as i remember one was about $80 a yard , the other was $50. forget which was which. need 2-3 yards of each. the samples were right on. it really shouldnt be necessary to take any special steps to obtain the cloth and vinyl. door panels i really cant express an opinion. i didnt buy any b/c i have several yards of cloth and a new half of the front seat. any good upholsterer should be able to do the job if he has a pattern to go by. i was hoping to drive my regal to the shop but just never got it running and i didnt want to remove the seats again if i didnt have to.
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Posted 2008-10-17 5:03 PM (#148606 - in reply to #144239)
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Pat, I FULLY agree that it SHOULDN'T be necessary to visit SMS in person, and, I personally have only had favorable
results in dealing with them, but, several/a-lot of others have experienced delays, mis-statements, incorrect materials
and/or over-selling from SMS on upholstery and vinyl.

When someone needs something, he NEEDS it, hopefully, as soon as possible, and in the correct style/color/quality/quantity.

As SMS apparently has a front desk, if I needed something relatively quickly, and was concerned about the above 4-criteria,
and if I had the time/money, I would personally visit SMS, eyeball their products, and try to buy their stuff over the counter.

And, if I had to order the material, I would really want to look at it in person, to correct any possible
discrepancies in the order, before I paid them for it.














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Posted 2008-10-18 11:38 PM (#148717 - in reply to #148410)
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Lancer Mike - 2008-10-15 9:41 PM Here are the pictures of that tribute car. It was a Custom Royal (maybe), not a Coronet. This is the type of interior I was thinking of for the Frostbite. Granted, it is not picture perfect - but probably not as expensive as something from SMS or (gasp!) new old stock. I bet any local upholstery shop could duplicate it with some success. Repaint the exterior of the Frostbite and you have a decent driver Regal that would be miles ahead of this tribute car.

How about a Tribute Model to a Tribute Car,  I saw this on Ebay.   

 

 





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Posted 2008-10-19 12:21 AM (#148719 - in reply to #148717)
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Wow! That is fantastic!!! I wonder how they made that model? I didn't know AMT or any of the others were making a '58 Dodge. I have to find one of those beauties. That is a stunning model: look how the paint shines. Look how the chrome shines. It looks a little like the JoHan promotional cars, but they usually don't have an interior and they usually do have side windows. I have to get on eBay and check this out!
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Posted 2008-10-19 8:29 PM (#148777 - in reply to #144239)
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This may be one of those new Resin jobs from Modelhaus, but they are pricey even to buy - around $100.00 a kit. Or it could be an old Jo-Han Kit.  I bought some Jo-Han re-issues back in the eighties, entitled " USA Oldies" which included a 60 DeSoto and 62 Chrysler 300 2 door Hardtops that came complete with interiors and engines.  This is the first 58 Dodge I've seen, so it's probably a Modelhaus, I can't remember what it said on the auction, it was a coupe of weeks ago.  The Modelhaus kits don't come with opening hoods or engines. <br />

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Posted 2008-10-19 10:59 PM (#148789 - in reply to #148777)
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Ian, I searched in vain on eBay. Do you remember for how much money it sold? I will do some searches on modelhaus. It seems to me that the JoHan cars did not have interiors, otherwise this looks like the JoHan promotional model with the very large "Custom Royal" script. However, the finish work on this model is astounding!
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Posted 2008-10-20 1:00 PM (#148857 - in reply to #144239)
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I didn't keep the link to the auction, and don't know if it sold or if so, how much it sold for etc. JoHan made both promos, without interiors, and complete kits with opening hoods, engines and interiors. I have a couple of them, the 60 DeSoto kit and 62 Chrysler 300 kit. These kits are often on Ebay. THey were re-issued in the early 80s. I'll post a pic of my DeSoto later.
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