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57burb
Posted 2009-01-14 11:06 AM (#158926)
Subject: 1958 Mopar "Fuel Injection" Emblems



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I am looking for a pair of these. This is the DeSoto-Dodge-Plymouth version; the Chryslers apparently had the "Fuel Injection" as part of the standard 300D quarter panel medallions. Thanks to Frederic, I have learned that these are actually two distinct pieces:

Imp58Alpes - 2009-01-13 11:56 AM

The parts book indicates the same parts for Plymouth, Dodge and DeSoto.
- NAME PLATE Fuel Injection, LP2, LD2-D500, LD3-D500, LS3-S, 1958, #1832038 (2 per car)
- BASE Fuel Injection Name Plate, LP2, LD2-D500, LD3-D500, LS3-S, 1958, #1832039 (2 per car)


I would be willing to cast my own if someone only has a single side that I could use to make a mold from. I have done this process before and it will not damage the originals in any way. I would appreciate any leads that you may have. Thank you!

(photos of Tom White's Adventurer shown)



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58 DESOTOS RULE
Posted 2009-01-16 11:38 AM (#159182 - in reply to #158926)
Subject: RE: 1958 Mopar "Fuel Injection" Emblems



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I can't help you with the emblem but I am intrigued. Why would you need a pair of these super rare emblems as there's no chance another car with the EFI intact would ever turn up. Just asking is all.
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57burb
Posted 2009-01-16 12:20 PM (#159191 - in reply to #159182)
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Because I want one for both sides!

I assume this badge wouldn't be taken from an actual Bendix-equippeed car, it would be NOS from a parts supply. I am assuming that there are some out there, as Mopar was planning a full production run.
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Posted 2009-01-16 2:54 PM (#159206 - in reply to #158926)
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I wouldnt assume ANYTHING when it comes to MoPar! Except, maybe, that these EFI cars were such a fvcking disaster, a BLACK SMEAR on the Corporation's Engineering Division, that someone high up made sure that ALL EFI nameplates were trashed! Sure, someone, somewhere probably has a pair or two with all of "Uncle Bob's" other stuff from when he worked for Chrysler. They dont even know it.

Ironic (maybe not!), that about twenty five years later, Chrysler's next endeavour with EFI would be even MORE disasterous! More than a few EFI-equipped Imperials would be unleashed on an unsuspecting public! Once again, they also would be retro-fitted to a traditional carb set-up.

Danny, I wish you luck. But even if you do find someone with a pair, are they really going to ever let them out of their possession? Didnt someone on this board lose a '60 or '61 D-500 nameplate by 'lending' it to repop?
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57burb
Posted 2009-01-16 3:38 PM (#159208 - in reply to #159206)
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Well I'm not the kind of guy that's going to get a lifetime black eye by stealing someone's "couple hundred dollar" pair of old badges.

I figured it was worth a shot. Haven't heard from anyone yet, except a whole bunch of people that want a pair too. haahahaaaaa
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Posted 2009-01-16 4:35 PM (#159212 - in reply to #158926)
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"This Old Emblem" is probably worth well over $1,000.00 (a NOS D501 emblem went for more than a grand) if it were ever
to appear on Epay.

And, I wouldn't be surpised if it brought over $2K, if it were to be in like-new condition.





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57burb
Posted 2009-01-16 4:55 PM (#159216 - in reply to #159212)
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Well, Brent has half of one, LOL!

While I have some people's attention, does anyone have a photo of the engine or body of any of the "other" EFI cars? I've never seen a Plymouth or Dodge, the Chryslers are hard to discern from standard 300Ds, and of course Tom White's Adventurer is quite famous.

I'd be interested to see the badge placement on Dodge and Plymouths, if anyone has a photo.
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Posted 2009-01-16 5:06 PM (#159219 - in reply to #159206)
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forwardlookparts - 2009-01-16 11:54 AM

I wouldnt assume ANYTHING when it comes to MoPar! Except, maybe, that these EFI cars were such a fvcking disaster, a BLACK SMEAR on the Corporation's Engineering Division, that someone high up made sure that ALL EFI nameplates were trashed! Sure, someone, somewhere probably has a pair or two with all of "Uncle Bob's" other stuff from when he worked for Chrysler. They dont even know it.

Ironic (maybe not!), that about twenty five years later, Chrysler's next endeavour with EFI would be even MORE disasterous! More than a few EFI-equipped Imperials would be unleashed on an unsuspecting public! Once again, they also would be retro-fitted to a traditional carb set-up.

Danny, I wish you luck. But even if you do find someone with a pair, are they really going to ever let them out of their possession? Didnt someone on this board lose a '60 or '61 D-500 nameplate by 'lending' it to repop?


Doug, if it was anything like the Edsel disaster, most anything to do with the 'failure' cars WAS trashed, the main reason why NOS Edsel parts are seldom seen today. As soon as the FORD dealers were no longer required to keep these parts in stock, they were quickly discarded. Likewise, any of the dealership signage, etc. ---John
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forwardlookparts
Posted 2009-01-16 5:10 PM (#159220 - in reply to #158926)
Subject: Re: 1958 Mopar "Fuel Injection" Emblems



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I emphatically agree with Neil. I could see a pair (right, left sides) of NOS examples go for $5k. I have been dealing in MoPar nameplates, emblems and ornaments for thirty years and have never seen or heard of anyone with these fabled EFI badges.

Danny, I am definitely not saying that you cannot be trusted! I am just saying things, accidents, happen. You could send them to someone, insured. They get lost. Sure, there's an insurance pay-out, but they cannot be replaced. You have some money, but you never, EVER will get another. Is someone going to take that risk for you? Be prepared to "rent" them!
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57burb
Posted 2009-01-16 5:27 PM (#159224 - in reply to #159220)
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Well, you never know if you never ask.


I heard Tom White was unaware that his DeSoto was an EFI car when he bought it. That would indicate that it did not have the (obvious) badging that it has now. Hopefully that means that he was able to locate a pair for his own car. That, and the fact that Brent has the gold star piece of one, gives me hope that there may be a few floating around out there. Thank you all-
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forwardlookparts
Posted 2009-01-16 6:14 PM (#159230 - in reply to #158926)
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Danny, you sould contact White and ask how he came about his. You never know, he might be able to help you out somehow.

Has anyone here ever had contact with White, is he okay? Is he a snob?
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Posted 2009-01-16 8:39 PM (#159250 - in reply to #159230)
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I've spoken with Tom a couple of times in years past before his car was completed.  He was a humble quiet engineer-type and very nice to talk with.  Regular hobbyist guy as far as I was concerned.
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Posted 2009-01-16 10:28 PM (#159256 - in reply to #158926)
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According to the article about his EFI, those scripts were "liberated" from a Chrysler building from an employee. I've spoke with Tom a few times at Hershey and he is a nice guy who will talk cars with you. He told me he recently found a 61 NY Conv that is all original, all underhood parts and even the top. Also, he bought the red 59 Sport Fury Conv that was at Mopar Carlisle in 2007, it was an untouched and very solid car.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2009-01-17 1:24 AM (#159281 - in reply to #159256)
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With the good photos of Tom's emblem and my "star", making repops of this emblem should be a cinch.

So, who all would want a pair ?

The magic lubricant to this equation is green rectangles. Let's see a show of hands.
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1955Coronado
Posted 2009-01-17 9:46 AM (#159295 - in reply to #158926)
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I wonder what one would look like on the Coronado?

Just think - a '55 fuelie.....
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58 DESOTOS RULE
Posted 2009-01-18 9:49 AM (#159414 - in reply to #158926)
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Well I suppose having a complete NOS pair of fuel injection badges is a worthy goal a hard core collector could try for. It's likely though that the search would be long and arduous. Still every one should have a goal.
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Posted 2009-01-18 2:49 PM (#159446 - in reply to #158926)
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My goal is to make it through this winter without killing myself OR any members of the household! Someday, I will live in Arizona or somewhere comparable, winters here suck donkey balls.
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Posted 2009-01-18 3:26 PM (#159453 - in reply to #158926)
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Rounding out today - Sunny w/high clouds, 82 degrees (74 degrees at present), around 20% humidity. Total & complete ragtop day.

Yeah, I miss snow.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2009-01-18 8:16 PM (#159471 - in reply to #159453)
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After a week of heavy fog (and about 4' of snow remaining on the ground) it was bright and sunny today and actually felt warm if you got out of the shadows.

As far as this emblem goes, with all the digital scanner technology available today, it is far easier to cut these parts out of a piece of solid stock than it is to cast them. I am tapped right now for taking on such a project with my shop and all, but if there are enough interested parties to buy into it, perhaps do a little footwork on the research end, this really shouldn't be too tough.

So far, I have ZERO people saying they want on board, so I guess it looks like this project is still in the same status it has always been ..... someday I *might* decide to do this for myself.
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58 DESOTOS RULE
Posted 2009-01-19 10:39 AM (#159535 - in reply to #159471)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2009-01-18 7:16 PM After a week of heavy fog (and about 4' of snow remaining on the ground) it was bright and sunny today and actually felt warm if you got out of the shadows. As far as this emblem goes, with all the digital scanner technology available today, it is far easier to cut these parts out of a piece of solid stock than it is to cast them. I am tapped right now for taking on such a project with my shop and all, but if there are enough interested parties to buy into it, perhaps do a little footwork on the research end, this really shouldn't be too tough. So far, I have ZERO people saying they want on board, so I guess it looks like this project is still in the same status it has always been ..... someday I *might* decide to do this for myself.

Oh I would be in if you decided to recreate a fuel injection fender badge. I think they would look right handsome on the fenders of my 58 Firesweep. Nobody would need to know that it really wasn't a F.I. car. The trouble is, I'm only one guy and I'm guessing it would cost more money than I would want to spend to recreate this badge out of modern materials. Maybe if some more FL fanatics wanted to buy a set too the cost would come down.

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Posted 2009-01-20 9:42 PM (#159751 - in reply to #158926)
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57burb - 2009-01-14 8:06 AM

I am looking for a pair of these. This is the DeSoto-Dodge-Plymouth version; the Chryslers apparently had the "Fuel Injection" as part of the standard 300D quarter panel medallions. Thanks to Frederic, I have learned that these are actually two distinct pieces:

Imp58Alpes - 2009-01-13 11:56 AM

The parts book indicates the same parts for Plymouth, Dodge and DeSoto.
- NAME PLATE Fuel Injection, LP2, LD2-D500, LD3-D500, LS3-S, 1958, #1832038 (2 per car)
- BASE Fuel Injection Name Plate, LP2, LD2-D500, LD3-D500, LS3-S, 1958, #1832039 (2 per car)


I would be willing to cast my own if someone only has a single side that I could use to make a mold from. I have done this process before and it will not damage the originals in any way. I would appreciate any leads that you may have. Thank you!

(photos of Tom White's Adventurer shown)


If you don't acquire a set- another option would be to have a set made for you. If you know anyone that can computer model (solid works, maya, pro e, etc) they can have a set output in STL or another variety of formats. then, you could easily mirror and reverse the design to make masters for casting.

any rapid prototyping shop can do this. though, it's always cheaper to have a friend. If not, maybe get a collection of people on the board to pool up and make a group purchase for this??

The more reference pics you get of the emblem the better (more accurately) it could be replicated.

Just a thought. I hope it's helpful.

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Posted 2009-01-26 9:54 PM (#160569 - in reply to #158926)
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I have a photo of the lone 58 Belvedere that was fuel injected. Not a great photo but a photo anyway. Someone tell me how to post it and I will....
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Posted 2009-01-27 8:01 AM (#160606 - in reply to #158926)
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I have some shots of this car also and will add another shot of the emblem to the mix for you guys.




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57burb
Posted 2009-01-27 10:52 AM (#160618 - in reply to #160569)
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Benji - 2009-01-26 8:54 PM

I have a photo of the lone 58 Belvedere that was fuel injected. Not a great photo but a photo anyway. Someone tell me how to post it and I will....
Email it to me, and I will post it up for you!

danny.vandergriff@tabsdirect.com
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christine-lover
Posted 2009-01-27 8:41 PM (#160691 - in reply to #160569)
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Benji - 2009-01-26 9:54 PM

I have a photo of the lone 58 Belvedere that was fuel injected. Not a great photo but a photo anyway. Someone tell me how to post it and I will....


You can go to reply to a message and select "Attach a file after posting" and select the photo in the next screen. You may have to change the size using a program like Microsoft Digital Image Standard Editor. We sure would love to see that photo.

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Benji
Posted 2009-02-11 8:45 PM (#162725 - in reply to #158926)
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I haven't been "on site" since I posted the message about the photo of the 58 Fuelie. Danny, I will e-mail the photo to you and you can post it. Have a couple of others that might interest everyone that I will send along as well......
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57burb
Posted 2009-02-12 2:52 PM (#162789 - in reply to #162725)
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Thank you Jim!

Hope you don't mind, but I am including your commentary.

"I received this photo from the car's original owner. The photo was developed from a negative that was "flopped", so if you look closely things are on the "wrong side". However, you can see the fuel injection emblem on the front fender. I corresponded at length with the owner of this car, who drove it close to 100,000 miles. He also shared with me the manuals, etc., for the car so this was the "real thing". He claimed two cars "got out" - the other one was wrecked very early after delivery. His remained with the fuel injection unit intact. Where the car went when he sold it, nobody knows...."

I went ahead and corrected the orientation of the car.

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d500neil
Posted 2009-02-12 3:01 PM (#162792 - in reply to #162789)
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..it was just-another car, back then; photographed on a driveway, but, WHAT a car it would be, today !

The bumper wings might be aimed a little bit high, but, otherwise, the panel
alignments and body fitments look to be very nice, on this car.

AND; it's not a Fury!





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forwardlookparts
Posted 2009-02-12 3:33 PM (#162797 - in reply to #158926)
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God. Just look at it. Unbelievable.

I see some corrosion had started on that right fender, my guess is early sixties.

Still, just unbelievable.
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Posted 2009-02-12 3:37 PM (#162798 - in reply to #158926)
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One other thing. What is undoubtedly a decked-out model, it sports only a single fender antenna mast and not the over-the-top dual fin masts. Interesting.
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Posted 2009-02-12 4:09 PM (#162806 - in reply to #158926)
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It's got plain window glass, too.

Are those silver colored wheels on it?

100k miles would probably put the car's life into the late 60's, anyway.

I'll bet that this car still exists, somewhere, in somebody's barn or storage area.




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Posted 2009-02-12 9:36 PM (#162887 - in reply to #162806)
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Correct me if I am wrong au gurus de la Plymouth ....

Chrysler and DeSoto lit clearly stated this F/I system was ONLY available on 300's and Adventurers. Not sure about Dodge, being it had no "specialty" model like the other lines.

Was the F/I system NOT restricted to the Fury only ?????

If this is indeed genuine and Plymouth lit states "Fury only" like the Chrysler - DeSoto stuff does. this car makes a compelling argument that anything was possible.

Very interesting car !
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Posted 2009-02-12 11:33 PM (#162910 - in reply to #159471)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2009-01-18 8:16 PM

After a week of heavy fog (and about 4' of snow remaining on the ground) it was bright and sunny today and actually felt warm if you got out of the shadows.

As far as this emblem goes, with all the digital scanner technology available today, it is far easier to cut these parts out of a piece of solid stock than it is to cast them. I am tapped right now for taking on such a project with my shop and all, but if there are enough interested parties to buy into it, perhaps do a little footwork on the research end, this really shouldn't be too tough.

So far, I have ZERO people saying they want on board, so I guess it looks like this project is still in the same status it has always been ..... someday I *might* decide to do this for myself.
I'm definatly on board and would even be willing to help in the phone calls, leg work department. I would love to have a set if they are good quality and could be had reasonably, and by that I mean around 100.00 a piece.
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Posted 2009-02-12 11:36 PM (#162911 - in reply to #158926)
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Here is preliminary info about the ongoing research on these cars - from factory records ".....15 Plymouths in the first 2000 built with fuel injection. Not only that they were built and shipped without delay so they were running. All were Furys except one Belvedere 2 door hardtop. Two of the first ten or so Dodges were fuel injection also. Also the first two or three DeSoto's...."

The "one Belvedere" has to be the car pictured. Here is the story on the Belvedere, as related by its owner. "Sometime in 1957 I placed an order for a fuel-injected Plymouth Belvedere two door hardtop. I kept getting reports on the progress being made until finally, I received notice that Chrysler was dropping the project and would I like to revise my order. I immediately called John Mansfield (then president of the Plymouth Division) and asked what was taking place. He explained that Bendix would not service their FI system and it was not Chrysler's policy to do so and as a result they were shelving the project. When he asked if I really wanted one he replied that if I waited six weeks he would get one to my dealer. It would accelerate to sixty in 7 seconds and clock out at 138 mph. I quickly learned to trouble shoot the system and dove it on my business trips all over the USA and to Mexico twice on vacation. Performance from sea level to 12,000 feet was simply remarkable. At 99,000 miles I gave it to my son-in-law, who drove it another 30,000 miles. By that time we had used up all the spare parts that Bendix sent me when they abandoned the project, we then changed the intake manifold, added a carburetor and my son-in-law gave it to a friend of his. I was told by one of the Chrysler reps that only two of these cars were let out of the factory. One went to some town in Ohio and was quickly wrecked beyond repair. If this is true, I had the only one in existence.
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Posted 2009-02-12 11:39 PM (#162912 - in reply to #158926)
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Posted 2009-02-13 12:52 AM (#162919 - in reply to #162912)
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Something isn't clicking here .....

DeSoto debuted the 58's in the first week of November, 1957. Without digging for exact dates, that basically means production began in late September / early October.

According to company paper, ONLY the Adventurer could get the F/I system. Records show the Adventurer was not debuted until months later, .... Jan ? Feb ?

If the FIRST 2-3 DeSotos got F/I, ....... see the problem ?

So, were the first 2-3 Adventurers built with F/I in January, or were the first 2-3 randpm models built in September built with F/I ???????

And how did this Belvedere get it ? Did not the company say ONLY the Fury could be so equipped ?

This opens an exciting can o' worms !
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Posted 2009-02-13 3:26 PM (#163002 - in reply to #158926)
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Seems to me re-popping those emblems would also be just asking for fuelie car "tributes' to start popping up! Why would anyone want one on a car that wasn't injected to start with? Take a pic of Tom's and hang it on the wall!!
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Posted 2009-02-13 3:52 PM (#163004 - in reply to #163002)
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I can't answer why anyone else would want one - maybe because they're really interesting - and possibly because they demonstrate that EVERY new car made has its roots in the Forward Look line of cars. (Bendix sold the patents to Bosch, and Bosch owns the patents behind nearly every EFI technology today)

But the reason "I" want a set is because I have plans for my Hemi...



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2009-02-13 9:40 PM (#163056 - in reply to #163004)
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I am thinking WAY down the road to possibly doing a modern F/I on my car. I have done zero investigation, but a 383 is pretty common, so I am guessing something should be available (?)

But I am not the least bit interested in car shows or all that bullsh!t like ribbons and trophies. Leave all that primping and posing for the pooftahs. I want to drive my car all over the US, and if it is fuel injected, why not have an appropriate vintage tag ?

Tom's car is mostly likely - from here on out - nothing more than a paperweight for holding a garage floor down. Few people will ever see this car, let alone see it going down the road. My interest runs counter to this way of owning cars. I want to see them at the grocery store, hauling kids to swimming lessons, with a bale of hay sticking out of the trunk, showing off what they are as they were originally intended to be ! If every single F/I car has been relegated to the scrap heap or museum, why not put an example on the road for headscratchers to have a reason to massage the scalp ?

Since I could not give a rip about car shows or being "judged", let those who frown on my DeSoto go pound sand. They can stand there on the side of the road and wait for the next (more OEM correct) one to come along !
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roadkillontheweb
Posted 2009-02-13 11:22 PM (#163075 - in reply to #158926)
Subject: RE: 1958 Mopar "Fuel Injection" Emblems



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I ran across this little image in the May 1958 Desoto Report magazine for Desoto salesmen.
I have blanked out the name because the guy is still alive and I am attempting to contact him.
But check out the huge blown up picture behind him on the wall.

Can I get a mini set of the Fuel Injection emblems to put on my Firemite?

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forwardlookparts
Posted 2009-02-14 12:58 AM (#163087 - in reply to #158926)
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Lee, you gotta ask the dude if he still has that swell bowtie!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2009-02-14 2:28 AM (#163093 - in reply to #163087)
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This F/I coupe (pictured in Lee's post) toured the country as part of the auto show circuit. It appears in a couple other shots in the DeSoto salemens' magazine at different shows.
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roadkillontheweb
Posted 2009-02-14 8:36 AM (#163115 - in reply to #163093)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2009-02-14 1:28 AM


This F/I coupe (pictured in Lee's post) toured the country as part of the auto show circuit. It appears in a couple other shots in the DeSoto salemens' magazine at different shows.


I had the old dealer owner from Clinton Iowa tell me that he actually got to drive it when the regional sales director brought it to town!
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firedome
Posted 2009-02-14 3:18 PM (#163186 - in reply to #158926)
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Be cool to MegaSquirt a FL, then it would truly deserve those emblems, as well as being much more powerful and efficient. It could be done, my son is putting MS on an MGB.
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Posted 2009-02-15 7:32 AM (#163265 - in reply to #158926)
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That Belvedere is amazing. Has this original owner ever tried to locate his car? If he hasn't, he should. Go to the last known person who owned it and try to find each of the next owners one by one. And what became of the Fuelie parts? Did he sell them with the car or does he have them? Over 100,000 miles with the Fuelie set-up still in the car. That's pretty amazing too compared to the others who had this set-up in their cars. Perhaps it will surface in the near future, that would be something.

A friend of mine saw Tom's Desoto before he found the FI set-up when it was at Hershey and he showed him photos of a Fury with the FI set-up from back then. I believe they were factory photos of testing the car on a private track.
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57burb
Posted 2010-01-27 11:42 PM (#206960 - in reply to #163265)
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Digging through pictures, I came across this grainy old photo of a '58 Fury. Does that look like a Fuel Injection badge on the fender???

You decide-



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ripperace
Posted 2010-01-28 12:15 AM (#206963 - in reply to #158926)
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What did this F/I setup look like?

So Chrysler Corp had fuel injection BEFORE Chevy had their enormous hunk of junk? This is very interesting to me as I was just discussing fuel injection on old Chevy's with a friends dad the other day. He told me that GM had fuel injection long before anyone else. Then he showed me pics of his old 57 that had it. I was aware of them, and had seen Vettes with them, but never knew the technology was that old. He said it was the most disastorous hunk of crap he ever owned! LOL! I know this story doesn't pertain to FL cars per say. But it just makes me wonder how bad Chryslers version was that they didn't even let many out the doors. Oh yeah, my friends dad also told me he "took that hunk of sh!t off, and put on dual fours instead. It got tossed with Tuesdays trash. Now I wish I had it back cuz they bring a premium." DOH!

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57burb
Posted 2010-01-28 12:36 AM (#206964 - in reply to #206963)
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This is all off the top of my head, so feel free to correct any factual errors.

Mechanical fuel injection systems have been in existence at least as early as the 1920s. It was widely used in aircraft engines in WWII, most notably the Daimler-Benz powered ME-109 from Germany. After the war, there were a few racers that attempted to create their own fuel injection systems for their cars. Hilborn is probably the most famous name, but there was also Algon, Crower, Enderle, and a few others.

As for production cars, I want to say that the earliest use of FI was the Mercedes 300SL from around 1954. Chevrolet and Pontiac released their own versions of fuel injection in 1957 on the 283 and 347 engines. Pontiac dropped FI in 1958, but Chevrolet continued production through 1961. These systems were all mechanical.

But the version of FI that Chrysler debuted in 1958 was different - it was electronic fuel injection designed by Bendix. It used a complicated brain that controlled the fuel injectors mounted on a standard Mopar dual-quad intake manifold. As you could probably deduce from reading the thread, there were a lot of development problems early on. The history is that "all" of the cars were recalled by Chrysler and refitted with dual carburetors, but as you can see a few of them may have gotten out of the barn with their EFI systems intact. There are several documented EFI cars from 1958, mostly Chrysler 300s as they were the most numerous built (35 EFI 300Ds ???) but I don't believe any have been found with the Bendix EFI unit intact. They are identified by the EFI emblems and a tell-tale hole cut in the trunk floor for access to the fuel pump. Today there is exactly ONE running EFI 1958 Mopar, and that is the beautiful gold '58 Adventurer convertible restored by Tom White. A quick internet search should get you some more information on this car and the rest of the Bendix / Mopar story.

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ripperace
Posted 2010-01-28 1:26 AM (#206966 - in reply to #158926)
Subject: RE: 1958 Mopar "Fuel Injection" Emblems



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Thanks for that Burb! I will definately look into it. I wonder exactly how it worked, what they used in the "brain", all that kind of geeky stuff. Car history fascinates me. Especially learing of this. I've NEVER heard of Mopar's venture into fuel injection. Even the "Big Book of the Automobile" a friend has doesn't even mention it. This is cool stuff IMO.

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ripperace
Posted 2010-01-28 1:49 AM (#206967 - in reply to #158926)
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Here's a quick link if anyone doesn't know about, or haven't read this themselves. I was floored. The technology used today was around back then, but the electronics weren't.

http://www.allpar.com/cars/desoto/electrojector.html

That's enough to prove to me that these cars were ahead of their time. Sorry if this strayed off the topic of a guy searching for emblems, but I don't know how many participants of the board even know about this stuff. It's definately interesting!

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