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Posted 2009-08-27 7:02 PM (#186503)
Subject: Ms Belvie--Now what?


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I have a plan to submit to whoever. 57 Heaven was my choice, but that looks not to be an option if it does sell at auctin the end of October.
She is cleaned up about as well as can be. And is very fragile. I think by now the owner must agree that she can never be restored or drivable. Probably not able to be moved very much.
Ultra -One, while doing a better job than I ever expected, is about as far as they can go without really getting into mega bucks. ( where does mega bucks start)?
My proposal:
Owner of Ms Belvie and Ultra -One get together and figger how much each has in her. They then write it off their taxes as a donation. They give the car to city of Tulsa(museum or whatever) who provides a safe and secure place to display her , so that many people can enjoy her for years to come. That would be a dignified place of rest.
Simple as that...........................now you can tell me why it isn't so simple............................MO
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Posted 2009-08-27 7:32 PM (#186510 - in reply to #186503)
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In my opinion tulsa has done a good job exploiting the car more than anything. I say Smithsonian because tulsa hasn't provided such a "safe and secure" place thus far.. mr. hotrod boyd, throwing away the cover and who knows what else. Time for real professionals who respect and preserve historical artifacts and I doubt the Smithsonian will go under as a business.
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Posted 2009-08-27 7:33 PM (#186511 - in reply to #186503)
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I don't know, maybe I'M simple cuz that seems to be a simple solution . . .
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Posted 2009-08-28 6:00 AM (#186564 - in reply to #186503)
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I actually mentioned this to Dwight when Mike McKenna and I went to Ultra One back in July.
(It was a side-trip while we were in Carlisle)

According to Dwight, the city of Tulsa is having a hard time taking any interest in the old girl now that she's out of the ground.
Apparently, the historical society can't justify another multiple day event for the car... Too much overtime for police, sanitation workers, etc.

Of course, I'm CERTAIN the city made bank on the '07 event... I can't see how they could've ever in their wildest dreams imagined the number of folks who showed up there. It HAD TO BE good for the Tulsa economy.

Anyway... Dwight has gone so far as to contact a Tulsa museum with the intent of putting the car there on display. Meanwhile, the museum curator told him "there's just no room for something like that to be on display here" - or something to that effect.

Also, according to Dwight, he and the car's owner are looking for a sponsor to provide those "Mega-Bucks" you mentioned. Their plan is to get an enclosed trailer and make the tour circuit with the car... Carlisle, Nationals, SEMA, etc. Of course, such a tour would take $$$$.

In reality, the car will probably be towed across the block at Barrett-Jackson... and someone with more money than sense will buy her for an outlandish price. At least, that seems to be what her current owner is hoping for.

-NM

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d500neil
Posted 2009-08-28 3:46 PM (#186628 - in reply to #186503)
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Well, Ms. Belvie is HARDLY a testament to Tulsa's fortitude-diligence yadayadayada....in preserving her---she's a FAILURE
(..to communicate; ooops..) to what the City intended upon doing, in preserving her for the Future.

I know that the 57 City fathers had the best of intentions (DESPITE their utter failure to seal-up the UPPER-CORNERS/JOINTS
of the vault)----but, I shall always wonder about how/why the car wasn't entombed within a WELDED-up container---the
city's Time Capsule was engulfed in agua for may years, but when it was cut open, on 6/15/07 its contents were (still) new.

Ms. Belvie's present worthless condition, except as a parts car, will be the legacy of the greedy "family" and the stupid-greediness
of Ultra None (and, of the naivety/ingenuousness of The City in thinking that a 'plastic' baggee could protect the car from any
water intrusion into the vault).











Edited by d500neil 2009-08-28 3:52 PM
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2009-08-29 11:31 PM (#186835 - in reply to #186628)
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Such cynicism, guys ! What up ? You no take the word that a bottle of magic potion can unwind 50 years of rust ? They said it, I believe it, that settles it !
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Posted 2009-08-31 12:22 PM (#187033 - in reply to #186628)
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Ms. Belvie's present worthless condition, except as a parts car.












Good, I could use that NOS Sportone trim and that NOS Glass For a new project...Junk the rest..
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Posted 2009-08-31 3:22 PM (#187056 - in reply to #186628)
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Ms. Belvie's present worthless condition, except as a parts car, will be the legacy of the greedy "family" and the stupid-greediness
of Ultra None.





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d500neil
Posted 2009-09-02 2:18 PM (#187328 - in reply to #186503)
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No Kidding, Chaney; there probably are some real-usable parts on the car, like the glass (if not delaminated
and/or oxidized), ALL of the stainless pieces, the engine block (bored/honed out), the wheels/tires (probably, for
a date-coded trailer queen/museum piece)---maybe some of the potmetal pieces.

Anything else?



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My57Saratoga
Posted 2009-09-02 3:10 PM (#187342 - in reply to #187328)
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d500neil - 2009-09-02 1:18 PM

No Kidding, Chaney; there probably are some real-usable parts on the car, like the glass (if not delaminated
and/or oxidized)






Neil, the glass I'm afraid is permanently etched with red clay, (from what I could see).....
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d500neil
Posted 2009-09-02 8:13 PM (#187393 - in reply to #187342)
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You mean; it's TINTED????
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My57Saratoga
Posted 2009-09-02 9:49 PM (#187416 - in reply to #187393)
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Yea, like rose colored glasses!!!
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d500neil
Posted 2009-09-03 2:28 PM (#187478 - in reply to #187416)
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Hmmmmm (to quote Rammie---) Anybody got a Coral colored car, here?
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hemidenis
Posted 2009-09-03 3:11 PM (#187486 - in reply to #186503)
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How could somebody name Tulsa again, this bunch of asssholes did enough damage to the car and the Time capsule items. Smithsonian is the answer; they can preserve her.
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Nathan D. Manning
Posted 2009-09-03 4:56 PM (#187516 - in reply to #187486)
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Smithsonian is the answer; they can preserve her.


Um... Have you SEEN the car?
I'm doubting even the Smithsonian could preserve this thing.

-NM
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d500neil
Posted 2009-09-03 5:35 PM (#187529 - in reply to #187516)
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...as a cautionary tale, in showing what NOT to do, to/with an original condition unique historical artifact.....?






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lawrence
Posted 2009-09-03 8:09 PM (#187552 - in reply to #186503)
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Encase the car like a bug. A huge block of plastic with a rusty ass Plymouth staring out. Seems the only conclusion to this story.
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Posted 2009-09-03 8:39 PM (#187554 - in reply to #187552)
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And make the clear plastic case the dimensions of the Vault; I like that idea.





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Posted 2009-09-06 1:40 PM (#187838 - in reply to #187554)
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Kinda like putting it on a giant keychain ? Then they could sell miniatures and make the "big bucks".
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-01-23 11:46 PM (#206474 - in reply to #187838)
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It seems like the only reasonable thing to do at this point is charter a sea cruise, rent a catapult and launch it into the ocean right above where the Andrea Doria went down. Set up underwater cameras and Youtube the crash of Ms. Belvedere and the unsuspecting Plainsman. It is the simplest, easiest solution I can come up with!
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Posted 2010-01-24 7:53 AM (#206498 - in reply to #206474)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-01-23 11:46 PM

It seems like the only reasonable thing to do at this point is charter a sea cruise, rent a catapult and launch it into the ocean right above where the Andrea Doria went down. Set up underwater cameras and Youtube the crash of Ms. Belvedere and the unsuspecting Plainsman. It is the simplest, easiest solution I can come up with!

Like the Titanic, then they will have ships with their cameras going down and taking pics of the rusted vehicle......
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Posted 2010-01-24 8:44 AM (#206502 - in reply to #206474)
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The Plainsman is restored and being offered at the RM auction in Arizona this weekend. The Norseman went down with the Andrea Adoria.
Miss Belvie should be stabilized from further deterioration and go back to a Tulsa museum for a historical display.
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lawrence
Posted 2010-01-26 7:32 PM (#206812 - in reply to #186503)
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They should encase the car in a solid block of plastic, then catapult it into the ocean so it can float aimlessly..forever.
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Posted 2010-01-28 7:06 PM (#207043 - in reply to #186503)
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FYI

There's a 4 page story titled "Reviving Miss Belvedere" in the this month's (February)
issue of Auto Restorer Magazine. I've only been getting the magazine for a year
but its generally good stuff.

No time to read the story yet but a quick skim says about 2 1/2 pages on the car and 1 1/2 about
Ultra One and their process. A fair amount of photos. I think we've seen similar photos of the
car here on the Forwardlook site.

I've checked the magazine web site and they haven't updated from January yet.
http://www.autorestorermagazine.com/ar/

I can try and scan it if there's interest...don't know if it can be posted here or not. I'm clueless on
file sizing stuff. It'll be Saturday before I get a chance to do it.

Jim K
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Posted 2010-01-28 7:18 PM (#207046 - in reply to #207043)
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Auto Restorer magazine is the only car publication that I read regularly. I've been reading it (and it's predecessor, Classic Auto Restorer) since the first issue in 1989.

Haven't gotten the Feb issue yet. Looking forward to it.

Ron

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d500neil
Posted 2010-01-30 4:30 PM (#207289 - in reply to #207046)
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Can't wait until UltraNone gets her engine started!
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lawrence
Posted 2010-02-02 8:54 PM (#207837 - in reply to #186503)
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When he does, I hear he is going to mount a propeller to it and some horizontal fins and then launch it out over the Andrea Doria.
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Posted 2010-02-08 5:15 PM (#208574 - in reply to #186503)
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I'd like to see the article if it can be scanned and posted. The website is just a tease and doesn't show any of the story or pictures of Miss Belvedere.

I hadn't heard there was an attempt being made to start the engine, but from what I saw three years ago it would be a major undertaking. The engine must surely be a solid mass of iron oxide I should think?



Edited by 58 DESOTOS RULE 2010-02-08 5:17 PM
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Posted 2010-02-08 6:10 PM (#208588 - in reply to #186503)
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I read that Ultra One commercial in Auto Restorer as well.

Meh.
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Posted 2010-02-27 11:19 PM (#211884 - in reply to #186503)
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I to got to see the article now Miss B just looks likea rusty old Plymouth back behind the barn you know the old guy says "i am going to fix it up I can't sell it to you" before it rusts into the ground. We have all herd that before A''''''''''

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-03-03 1:00 AM (#212288 - in reply to #211884)
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This is a matter of national pride now! President Obama should authorize 34 billion dollars to very carefully load it on to one last space shuttle flight and send it to the moon, where it shall be forever safe from it's nemesis - iron oxide. They could oh so gently unload it on the Sea of Tranquility and the valiant crew could safely return to Earth to a heroic welcome. Two weeks later, we can all watch as it takes a direct hit from a huge asteroid! All this with the motor running.
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Posted 2010-03-03 1:22 AM (#212290 - in reply to #186503)
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If he would do that, maybe I would vote for him next time. Mike--how DID you come up with this plan??????un-authorized medication???? ..............................MO
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-03-03 10:44 PM (#212428 - in reply to #212290)
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Cornpatch - I consider it my job to state the obvious!
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Posted 2010-03-07 7:27 PM (#212893 - in reply to #186503)
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Mike, I like your wandering imagination... I agree with Steve, in that there must have been some un-authorized pharmaceuticals involved in your planned Lunar parking of Ms. Belvedere remains scenario.

Time for the First "Forward Look Official Urine Test" on Lancer Mike... Now I have to find a Ford to allow you to complete the test...LOL
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lawrence
Posted 2010-03-08 8:25 PM (#212999 - in reply to #186503)
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Mike, what about the Norseman? Could they hook a chain to it and run it down to Kennedy Space Center, so it can take off with Ms. Belvedere?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-03-08 11:05 PM (#213018 - in reply to #212999)
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Alright, Lawrence - now that is just plain ridiculous! First of all, where would they ever get a chain long enough? Second of all, even if you could get a long enough chain, trailering that thing would throw off the trajectory of the shuttle! My God, man! Haven't you ever seen the movie Apollo 13 - that space mission stuff is high science.

Geez! I am trying to put some reasonable alternatives together here and you folk just jump right in with these crazy ideas - making a mockery of this whole thing. I don't think I will even mention my idea to preserve it with a particle accelerator.

Edited by Lancer Mike 2010-03-08 11:12 PM
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lawrence
Posted 2010-03-09 6:49 PM (#213119 - in reply to #186503)
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I say put the car in an air tight container. Load it onto a C5 and deliver it to Nancy Pelosi as a present for her hard work at Speaker of the House of overpaid douchebags. Then the car can work it's magic.

Hell the car might not kill her. She might like the car so much, she let's it fly around with her on her personal jumbo jet. She'll say, "You know, for the first time in my life I've found something uglier than me. And she can't be fixed up. Just like me".
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Posted 2010-03-10 12:28 PM (#213203 - in reply to #186503)
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Larry,

Now that is just too darn funny!!

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lawrence
Posted 2010-03-10 10:32 PM (#213289 - in reply to #186503)
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I had to top Mike!!
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Posted 2010-03-12 9:26 PM (#213585 - in reply to #213289)
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Here's a link to a video of the "restoration" from nj.com
CLICK HERE

 

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d500neil
Posted 2010-03-13 5:51 PM (#213699 - in reply to #213585)
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Todd, if it's OK with you, I'll save looking at 'your' video, until next 10/31.




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Posted 2010-03-14 10:27 AM (#213793 - in reply to #186503)
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If its stored in a glass refrigerator at -35 degrees It cannot rust so it will be preserved as is . but the carbon foot print of running the refrigerator would be worse than if it was on the road for the last 53 years! HAPPY MOTORING! and Rust in Peace ! Victor..
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