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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-04 5:02 PM (#195220)
Subject: Binder Collection!



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Were did all those "RARE" birds fly when they sold "The Binder Desoto collection 1929-61". see "roadkillonthewebb" My Brother got hold of Mr Binders personal vehicle. specialy ordered so he could haul cars that he bought! it ´s not touched! only the engine and some interior patches has bin done! but were did the other birds end up?



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firedome
Posted 2009-11-06 11:11 AM (#195536 - in reply to #195220)
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This is the '58 I would have liked to bid on... I even have relatives in Spencer Iowa, but couldn't get there at the time. As i recall it was sold for around 6 or 7 K to Minnesota, then resold a short time later, on eBay? I guess to Sweden, my ancestors country (Andersson). Glad to hear it will be left alone and not restored, they are only original once!

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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-06 6:46 PM (#195584 - in reply to #195220)
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It´s My Brother Ronnie who own this car now, he is very proud of it! your story is correct. Mr Layton won the auction, little did he know that the engine was dead. he then sold it to my brother who happened to be at the right place at the right time! we hauled the car to a Buddy in Stanton LA. He rebuild the complete engine to factory specs and put a new exhaust system on it. fixed the brakes and gastank. otherwise it´s original exept for a good cleaning and polish and new tires! it´s a spring edition! we have partisipated on several crusings and met no other like it!

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d500neil
Posted 2009-11-06 7:26 PM (#195589 - in reply to #195584)
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Let's see the engine compartment, and the undercarriage, please!
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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-06 7:47 PM (#195597 - in reply to #195220)
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here´s the engine. there are much cleaning to do and some smallparts to change! every part that not"correct" will be chainged in the long run. as we say in sweden "Rullande Renovering" try that

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MoparLasse
Posted 2009-11-07 6:19 AM (#195643 - in reply to #195220)
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What a nice four-door hardtop! The color combo is stunning. Autumn Rust?
Any larger pictures?


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firedome
Posted 2009-11-07 11:48 AM (#195671 - in reply to #195220)
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Yes it's a '58 Spring Special, they had the extra chrome strips on the trunk and silver foil on the sidde sweep ala Adventurer. Also 3 new colors were introduced for Spring: Heather Blue, Persimmon Red, and Spring Rose... I think this car is Persimmon Red, which looks very close to Autumn Rust.

If I recall correctly, the auction catalog stated the engine was locked up and/or needed a rebuild, so it shouldn't have been a surprise to the first buyer...

Note this car has non-bellows brakes. I think most 'Sweeps may have had this type also - any other empirical evidence out there?

One thing I'm not wild about on '58s is the all silver engine, looks kinda plain to me, I may paint mine Chrysler Golden Lion red and gold.

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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-07 1:44 PM (#195684 - in reply to #195220)
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i agree on your engine thoughts! Turboflash is the name of the engine but why haven´t they made any stickers to put on the valvecovers?
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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-07 1:48 PM (#195687 - in reply to #195643)
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google "mopar 55-61" there you will find great pic´s taken at wheels and wings Varberg! keep up the good work with your saratoga! if there is any parts you are missing , feel free to to write me Lasse!
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d500neil
Posted 2009-11-07 3:23 PM (#195693 - in reply to #195220)
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Well, since the engine block has been repainted, I guess that the entire compartment could/should get to be fully refinished,
too.

An all-OEM-original engine compartment would have been, and is, a rare sight.

57 Dodges didn't have, or need, those hose clamps on the power brake vacuum can, or on the booster-connection.




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58 DESOTOS RULE
Posted 2009-11-07 4:37 PM (#195708 - in reply to #195671)
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firedome - 2009-11-07 10:48 AM Yes it's a '58 Spring Special, they had the extra chrome strips on the trunk and silver foil on the sidde sweep ala Adventurer. Also 3 new colors were introduced for Spring: Heather Blue, Persimmon Red, and Spring Rose... I think this car is Persimmon Red, which looks very close to Autumn Rust. If I recall correctly, the auction catalog stated the engine was locked up and/or needed a rebuild, so it shouldn't have been a surprise to the first buyer... Note this car has non-bellows brakes. I think most 'Sweeps may have had this type also - any other empirical evidence out there? One thing I'm not wild about on '58s is the all silver engine, looks kinda plain to me, I may paint mine Chrysler Golden Lion red and gold.

I don't know if I would make that generalization about Firesweeps and power brakes. My 58 Spring Special has the Bendix Bellows type booster. It was built in the Los Angeles plant and is painted haze blue metallic and white (although I suspect this was a repaint). 

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Posted 2009-11-07 4:37 PM (#195709 - in reply to #195671)
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firedome - 2009-11-07 10:48 AM Yes it's a '58 Spring Special, they had the extra chrome strips on the trunk and silver foil on the sidde sweep ala Adventurer. Also 3 new colors were introduced for Spring: Heather Blue, Persimmon Red, and Spring Rose... I think this car is Persimmon Red, which looks very close to Autumn Rust. If I recall correctly, the auction catalog stated the engine was locked up and/or needed a rebuild, so it shouldn't have been a surprise to the first buyer... Note this car has non-bellows brakes. I think most 'Sweeps may have had this type also - any other empirical evidence out there? One thing I'm not wild about on '58s is the all silver engine, looks kinda plain to me, I may paint mine Chrysler Golden Lion red and gold.

I don't know if I would make that generalization about Firesweeps and power brakes. My 58 Spring Special has the Bendix Bellows type booster. It was built in the Los Angeles plant and is painted haze blue metallic and white (although I suspect this was a repaint). 

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2009-11-08 2:24 AM (#195759 - in reply to #195671)
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firedome - 2009-11-08 8:48 AM

Yes it's a '58 Spring Special, they had the extra chrome strips on the trunk and silver foil on the sidde sweep ala Adventurer. .


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The 58 Adventurer carried over the 57 decklid bars that were on top. The Spring Special bars are these little vertical dudes down low. In 59 Adventurer got full length anodized aluminum inserts, but in 58, only the little dart insert at the very back got it.

Spring Special accessories / trim did not come as a "package", but were available piece by piece. Many cars came in Spring colors, but without the added trims. The decklid bars are quite rare. The sweep inserts, rarer still.
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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-08 6:03 AM (#195762 - in reply to #195220)
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Thank´s for info much appriciated! i have noticed that there is two other 58 desotos in sweden with sweep inserts. one firesweep 4 door sedan (not runnin) and one firedome 4dr/ht (green) totally restored to a very nice car!
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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-08 6:32 PM (#195837 - in reply to #195220)
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is there any decals for this desoto engine? valvecover stickers that reads "turboflash"
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zachs58
Posted 2009-11-11 9:33 PM (#196348 - in reply to #195220)
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Persimmon is VERY red/orange. I had a '58 in Persimmon, with a white roof and side spear. That is a nice car, but i don't think it is Persimmon.--Z
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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-11 10:23 PM (#196356 - in reply to #195220)
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ít´s Autom rust! checked and doublechecked! my brother is the owner of the car! what about those decals for turboflash engine? is there any or ? Zack as we all knows "fourdoors no waiting" . A friend of mine is doing a total resto on a 58 dodge custom royal 4 door sedan "loaded" eggshellwhite/ blue metallic it´s going to be a killer

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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-12 8:53 PM (#196504 - in reply to #195220)
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55coronet440
Posted 2009-11-12 11:09 PM (#196532 - in reply to #195220)
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That is a beautiful car!

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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-12 11:39 PM (#196537 - in reply to #195220)
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He´s very proud of it! he has scavenged some extra options but haven´t got the nerv to put it on yet! car is still original intact on the outside! maybe a nice american camper to haul! any one got one?
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firedome
Posted 2009-11-13 1:49 PM (#196595 - in reply to #195220)
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How about a boat? Google "Herter's Flying Fish".
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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-13 1:56 PM (#196598 - in reply to #195220)
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holy toledo! but they must be expensive?



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2009-11-14 1:29 AM (#196685 - in reply to #196537)
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Is that rocker moulding stock ? I know they showed up on 59's like that.
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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-14 1:46 AM (#196686 - in reply to #195220)
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I don´t know, you are the Doctor i´m just a patient he bought it just the way it is! we do know that it´s wrong stoneshields! reminds of imperial 57-58!

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firedome
Posted 2009-11-21 5:11 PM (#197738 - in reply to #195220)
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No, unrestored Herters aren't too expensive, probably 1-2K$ depending on what needs to be done... a friend of mine used to have 2 but I'm not sure if he still has them. There's a guy in one of the boat clubs who has a black and gold 57 FireFlight hardtop and has a Herter's Flying Fish painted to match, and the tailights from a 57 DeS mounted in the fins... looks like it was made that way.. amazing!! There's pics on the net somewhere...
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2009-11-22 2:00 PM (#197885 - in reply to #196504)
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Well, in spite of be "Doctor DeSoto", .... a name I coined for my brother when he dragged home the first DeSoto in the family - the 58 Spring Special is a rare and elusive bird, surrounded by much confusion over the random nature of the trim applications on the few cars we know of.

I probably know about as much about 57-58 DeSotos as anyone, but this niche is a tough one to nail down ! A LOT more Spring Special Dodges have survived and if their build trends are any indication of how it was done over at DeSoto, the various trim parts / colors were all available piecemeal and there was no set "package". If you liked a Spring Special color, you could order just that, If you wanted the decklid bars, but not the inserts, you could do that too. Of course, one could also go full chamois and get it all .... as it appears this car did. I am aware of two others .... a Fireflite coupe and a Firesweep of some sort that were fully decked, but have never seen them in person.

It would be interesting to do some breakdown and see just how these were put together to get an idea how it was done and what is truly OEM.

If you look at the trend from 57 to 59 to add more and more glitz, it would not surprise me if the rocker trim first appeared as part of the Spring Special goodies. I think it clashes with the clean lines of the 57-58 design, but times were a-changing and if you look at where DeSoto went for 59, it is easy to see the rocker trim as part of the evolutionary process.

Still, I'd like to see an actual parts book document on the package.
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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-23 10:25 AM (#198021 - in reply to #195220)
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Here´s what i believe is nr three out of three Desoto with inserts in sweden. this is the only firesweep. all of them is 4doors. this one is under renovating i think.came from dallas area last year to sweden. look close and you will notice rockermoldings. i´t looks fairly unrestored, i think it will back up my brothers car. it´s a springthing! is it ok to call this one for "MISS PIGGY"?

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Posted 2009-11-23 11:41 PM (#198140 - in reply to #195220)
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Miss piggy- LOVE IT. Whats up with all of the pink cars surfacing as of late? Maybe it's just me, but it seems like more than usual.
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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-24 11:45 AM (#198195 - in reply to #195220)
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all ordinary colors are spoken for, just the uggly ones left.......... just kidding

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finsruskw
Posted 2009-11-24 5:59 PM (#198272 - in reply to #195220)
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Anyone know what the overall length is on those sill mouldings??

I have an NOS pair 77.5" long
and also 1 single NOS 82.75" long

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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-24 7:02 PM (#198282 - in reply to #195220)
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Dave! Is it to a 4 door or 2 door? firesweep (as miss piggy) has 122" chassie and firedome + fireflite has 126" chassie could be that you have a complete set to a firesweep and one side to a big chassie car such as firedome or flite, dunno if adventurers got this option? any body who knows?
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Posted 2009-11-24 7:41 PM (#198287 - in reply to #198282)
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All 3 pcs are stand alone mldgs, meaning they are formed on each end, not just cut off square as if another piece wasn to extend from it.



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Posted 2009-11-24 7:50 PM (#198290 - in reply to #195220)
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The long one (the single) is #1950-102 and I think it's for an Imperial, I haven't researched the # yet.
It's still in the original wrapper.

The matched pair have no part #s that are readable, they are still in the original wrappers.

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Posted 2009-11-24 10:11 PM (#198308 - in reply to #195220)
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Posted 2009-11-24 10:25 PM (#198312 - in reply to #198290)
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Note that "Miss Piggy" has the full SS package PLUS SS color "Spring Rose".

I parted a rust bucket Sweep just like this one, except the paint was that lilac metallic I want to paint my Fireflite. That is the only SS car I ever had access to.
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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-24 11:45 PM (#198319 - in reply to #195220)
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Doc, I think i have some interior pic´s but they are ugly! want to see them? dumb question here you go!

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mogge65
Posted 2009-11-25 8:02 PM (#198433 - in reply to #195220)
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Doc! what do you think of the steeringwheel! is it a 1959 or a special only in springpackage?

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Posted 2009-11-26 2:27 AM (#198475 - in reply to #198433)
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Looks like a standard fare deluxe 59 steering wheel to me. But then again, if the standard fare rocker stainless for 59 was a 58 Spring Special intro piece, ......... ? We history detectives need to find the package parts list. If I weren't so $#@! busy racing the snow to get my roof on, I'd go through my parts books again and see if I overlooked something. I do have the entire Regal Lancer package documents, but do not remember ever seeing a comparable DeSoto document. I would think such a list would have piqued my interest for sure, but maybe a more thorough look is in order ? No time for that though. Hard to believe the weather has stayed this nice this long.
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Posted 2009-11-26 2:41 AM (#198476 - in reply to #195220)
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It´s cool , we got all winter to clear this mystery!

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Posted 2009-12-09 9:49 PM (#200210 - in reply to #195220)
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Posted 2009-12-11 2:33 AM (#200408 - in reply to #195220)
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That is a cool Desoto nice pic's

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zachs58
Posted 2009-12-11 12:26 PM (#200442 - in reply to #195220)
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Mogge 65-- I just saw the post about "four doors, no waiting"! Love it! I'd like to see pix of your friends Dodge when done, or even in progress! Interesting note: In a '57 Dodge T.V. commercial, they were promoting the "realm of silence ride". For their demonsration, they chose a four door sedan, because it's the quietest body style, in my opinion. Think about it. ---Happy Motoring!!!!!--Zach
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Posted 2009-12-11 1:51 PM (#200455 - in reply to #195220)
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What a beautiful car. I'm particularly impressed with the condition of the interior. If only someone could reproduce that trunk mat...

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firedome
Posted 2009-12-11 2:00 PM (#200458 - in reply to #195220)
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I keep looking at this car, mezmerized... it is in such amazing original condition. Hope it is left that way and not ever restored!! It's also amazing how low the price it went for at the Binder auction was, I was flabbergasted when the results were posted...that guy in MN with the winning bid was a fool to give it up. It's the nicest 58 4 dr hardtop I have ever seen, bar none, in the prettiest FL body style made... speaking as the owner of one!
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mogge65
Posted 2009-12-28 11:09 AM (#202610 - in reply to #195220)
Subject: Re: Binder Collection!



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Roger, thank´s for the kind words! about your car(s). i saw that you are selling a firesweep 4dr/ht on craiglist! tell us about it! please! if you got pic´s youre welcome to post them in this thread! Morgan

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mogge65
Posted 2010-01-18 12:37 PM (#205707 - in reply to #195220)
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As for you Zach! i will get pic´s next time i see my friend with the 58 dodge c/r 4door sedan

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roadkillontheweb
Posted 2010-05-04 12:43 AM (#221586 - in reply to #195220)
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Glad I found this thread and I am very glad to see that the car is being cared for. I am sure that this would make Chris happy.

He was very proud of the car and told me that he purchased it new. I am glad to see that you have kept the original Iowa plates
(058 are the last 3 digits since chris had all of the primary cars license plates match the year of manufacture. I am also glad to see you kept the trailer hitch.
He used this car in the 50s and 60s as he gathered the desoto cars from the 30s and 40s for his collection. It was kept in the chicken coop next to the
house with the 61 directly in front of it.

My personal favorites were the 38 cabriolet and the 58 Ambulance. Of course since I found the Ambulance in Kamrar Iowa and told chris about it
since I could not afford it at the time. The Ambulance is still in Spencer and being well cared for also

You need to show off the rare factory seat belts and the rare forward look MoPar floor mats in the car.

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58WindsorDartline
Posted 2010-05-05 3:48 AM (#221775 - in reply to #198475)
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Hi Mogge and Doctor DeSoto

I own a 1958 Chrysler Windsor 2 dr.ht., it also carry a spring option moulding called the "Dart line",
but like you Doc. i have never found anything in the part books abouth it, i can see that my car carry's
a lot of the same moulding parts as these DeSoto's.

Torben
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mogge65
Posted 2010-05-26 2:15 AM (#225252 - in reply to #195220)
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Here she´s professionally polished!



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polara61
Posted 2010-05-26 5:30 AM (#225256 - in reply to #225252)
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She´s sooooo beautiful.
I want too see this car in person.
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