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sermey
Posted 2009-12-02 8:51 AM (#199152 - in reply to #199078)
Subject: RE: My Dual Quad Project


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Location: SWITZERLAND		The Main Link to the first Carburetor has to be shortened, from the initial axis distance of 37cm to 28cm, the adjustment screw keeping in the center of the range. With the used interconnection (thread M6 or 1/4") the original lenght can easily be restored, to be fixed with Loctite (hard) in the correct angle.

Edited by sermey 2009-12-02 8:59 AM




(I-01 2008-12-02 Single Quad Lenght.jpg)



(I-02 2008-12-02 Dual Quad Lenght.jpg)



(I-03 2008-12-02 Final Dual Quad Carb Link.jpg)



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Attachments I-03 2008-12-02 Final Dual Quad Carb Link.jpg (75KB - 390 downloads)
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dukeboy
Posted 2009-12-02 12:18 PM (#199166 - in reply to #199152)
Subject: Re: My Dual Quad Project



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Location: Big pimpin'		VERY Clever idea Sermey...Looks GREAT! Excellent fab work....Will not be noticable when done..I likey...
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Mike M
Posted 2009-12-02 12:23 PM (#199167 - in reply to #199152)
Subject: Re: My Dual Quad Project



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Location: Tampa, Florida		I commend you for all your work, but for those of us that can't do all the machining, etc. Most of the parts are available from venders.
The linkage rod connecting the carbs is the same as the one they sell for the '60s hemi cars.
Alumcan on this site has reproduced the coil bracket.
At Garlit's this year was a vendor selling the correct thickness spacers for the carbs.
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Mike M
Posted 2009-12-02 12:30 PM (#199168 - in reply to #198912)
Subject: Re: My Dual Quad Project



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Location: Tampa, Florida		I forgot to mention that the choke is also being reproduced, I bought one and it looks just like the original.
As for prices, the choke complete was about $90. The linkage about $100, I can't remember what the spacers were, but they weren't cheap.
And I had my carbs restored for $200 each.
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sermey
Posted 2009-12-02 3:07 PM (#199190 - in reply to #199168)
Subject: Re: My Dual Quad Project


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Mike M:  At Garlit's this year was a vendor selling the correct thickness spacers for the carbs. I can't remember what the spacers were, but they weren't cheap.

I purchased two pairs of Spacers at eBays, in polished Aluminium, very nice. Finally I couldn't use them because they where too thin to apply screws. The design I showed is optimal matched to the Bottom AirFilter as to the Carbs for a solid and tight mount. My Spacers have been made by a mechanics, the holes with the threads handcrafted by myself, as you will be shown.

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sermey
Posted 2009-12-02 4:37 PM (#199203 - in reply to #199152)
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The 1 : 1 Hardcopy of the CarbSpacers Drafting is centered and glued on the Bottom. On the other Bottoms side the centers of the Holes are punched, the oval opening cut out along the line, and the holes drilled to fit M3 screws. The comparison shows the difference of the two Quad Carbs, lefthand Edelbrock 1406 and righthand the Original Quad Carter, one Pic without and the other with Airfilter (now this is real view!). The aperture of the Edelbrock is estimated to be about 30% greater than of the Carter, without affecting the Airflow through the Airfilter.

Attached is a PDF-File (S-00) according Pic S-01 to be printed 1: 1 on A4-sheet for direct use. - SERGE -

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Edited by sermey 2009-12-02 5:44 PM




(S-01 2008-11-14 CarbSpacer Draft.jpg)



(S-02 2008-11-18 Draft on Bottom.jpg)



(S-03 2008-11-18 Cut-Drill References.jpg)



(S-04 Comparison 1 Edelbrock-Carter.jpg)



(S-05 Comparison 2 Edelbrock-Carter wFilter.jpg)



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Attachments S-02 2008-11-18 Draft on Bottom.jpg (56KB - 400 downloads)
Attachments S-03 2008-11-18 Cut-Drill References.jpg (84KB - 405 downloads)
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sermey
Posted 2009-12-03 4:52 PM (#199348 - in reply to #199203)
Subject: RE: My Dual Quad Project


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Location: SWITZERLAND		For an accurate result, when the aperture is cut-out, it makes sense to drill first two holes in the diameter and pre-fix the spacer to the bottom. After that all other holes can be drilled in one process through the bottom and the spacer.(Pic-00). The Oval Filters are sprayed in Golden, a brighter color than original by Jan, and coated with a transparent protective, same as the Horns shown in

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=23691&start=1

Impressive, there is no visible difference between the earlier CAD-Model and the Real Oval Filter here.

The two yellow Stickers on the Oval Filter, inducing rather the impression of a warehouse device (my personal impression), I removed and left the single existing one at its original place.

On the second Edelbrock, the Electric Choke with all the unnecessary links have been removed or disabled. On the Fuel Side I had to remove a bracket touching the Intake Manifold. Using a higher Spacer, this could be left, but I cared to keep the Original Total Height of the Carbs Unit and as well, not to expose the Spacer.

The Original Carburetor Bolt, for fixing the Oval Air Filter, was too short. I replaced it by a Stud in Aluminium, offering the option to replace the ordinary Wingnut by a more esthetic Knob. There are plenty of shapes offered in the market, in plastic and in stainless steel. The front one in stainless steel I preferred to the ball-shaped one.

Now the Dual Quad Setup was ready to install. – SERGE - 

 

 



Edited by sermey 2009-12-03 5:04 PM




(K-00 2008-11-30 Bottom Inside.jpg)



(K-01 2008-11-30 Carter-Edelbrock.jpg)



(K-02 2008-11-21 Golden Sprayed Top.jpg)



(K-03 2008-11-30 Assembly Fuel Side .jpg)



(K-04 2008-11-30 Linkage-Bottom Outside.jpg)



(K-05 2008-11-30 Fixing Stud.jpg)



(K-06 2008-11-30 Fixing Knobs.jpg)



(K-07 2008-11-30 Final Assembly.jpg)



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Attachments K-01 2008-11-30 Carter-Edelbrock.jpg (92KB - 387 downloads)
Attachments K-02 2008-11-21 Golden Sprayed Top.jpg (53KB - 397 downloads)
Attachments K-03 2008-11-30 Assembly Fuel Side .jpg (87KB - 402 downloads)
Attachments K-04 2008-11-30 Linkage-Bottom Outside.jpg (92KB - 381 downloads)
Attachments K-05 2008-11-30 Fixing Stud.jpg (97KB - 424 downloads)
Attachments K-06 2008-11-30 Fixing Knobs.jpg (74KB - 443 downloads)
Attachments K-07 2008-11-30 Final Assembly.jpg (79KB - 393 downloads)
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1959Dodge
Posted 2009-12-03 9:10 PM (#199375 - in reply to #198912)
Subject: Re: My Dual Quad Project



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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca		Nice Job Serge. You will love the dual carbs. I have the same 2 Edelbrocks on my car, 1405 and 1406 (one has an electric heated choke and the other has no choke)--I forgot which is which --but the car runs great with them (400 cubic inch low compression motor--runs on 87 octane). Originally when I bought the car the carbs were hooked up Simutaneously(both carbs ran all the time). Shortly after I bought it , I put on new Edelbrock carbs and made up linkage so the carbs run sequentially now (runs on rear carb only till you step on it). After running this particular engine both ways (It does have an "Agressive cam") I much prefer the the sequential operation of the carbs.
Börje (He has a 383 with 2 four barrels) raced them on the freeway, from about 55 to (well doc might see this so we just say didnt reach tripple digits before we quit) Guess who won His High Compression 383? Nope Guess again!!!
Aivar's Regal Lancer is a 361 with dual four barrels and it runs great too(See the Video of it on UTube)
Continued good luck and enjoyment with your car!!!!

Gary

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sermey
Posted 2009-12-04 9:23 AM (#199411 - in reply to #199348)
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Location: SWITZERLAND		First the Induction Coil was mounted over the Fuel Pump with the prepared Bracket, then the Intake Manifold. For the Vacuum connection I used the Original Hose Fitting with included connection for the Heater Control.

 



Edited by sermey 2009-12-04 9:29 AM




(L-01 2008-12-05 Induction Coil.jpg)



(L-02 2008-12-09 Bolted Intake Manifold.jpg)



(L-03 2008-12-10 Intake Vacuum Connection.jpg)



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Attachments L-02 2008-12-09 Bolted Intake Manifold.jpg (84KB - 365 downloads)
Attachments L-03 2008-12-10 Intake Vacuum Connection.jpg (67KB - 385 downloads)
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sermey
Posted 2009-12-04 12:27 PM (#199422 - in reply to #199411)
Subject: RE: My Dual Quad Project


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Here the final Pics of my Dual Quad Setup. There is still the Points Ignition, the Electronic Ignition Conversion I did later. I tried to keep my "harmonic" style of the car: Golden, Chrome and Black.

To the Single Quad now I can say: Thank you and GoodBye! - SERGE -



Edited by sermey 2009-12-04 12:33 PM




(M-01 2008-12-28 Front View Open .jpg)



(M-02 2008-12-28 Left View Open.jpg)



(M-03 2008-12-28 Right View Open.jpg)



(M-04 2008-12-28 Left View Oval.jpg)



(M-05 2008-12-28 Front View Oval .jpg)



(M-06 2008-12-28 Right View Oval.jpg)



(M-07 2003-07-14 Single Quad GoodBye.jpg)



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Attachments M-03 2008-12-28 Right View Open.jpg (125KB - 374 downloads)
Attachments M-04 2008-12-28 Left View Oval.jpg (117KB - 354 downloads)
Attachments M-05 2008-12-28 Front View Oval .jpg (97KB - 437 downloads)
Attachments M-06 2008-12-28 Right View Oval.jpg (114KB - 414 downloads)
Attachments M-07 2003-07-14 Single Quad GoodBye.jpg (117KB - 386 downloads)
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wizard
Posted 2009-12-04 12:31 PM (#199423 - in reply to #198912)
Subject: Re: My Dual Quad Project



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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island		As usual, Serge, you did a great job! Also as usual, even greater to share it to us others - thank's, you da man!
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sermey
Posted 2009-12-04 12:45 PM (#199425 - in reply to #199423)
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wizard - 2009-12-04 6:31 PM As usual, Serge, you did a great job! Also as usual, even greater to share it to us others - thank's, you da man!

Thank you for the flowers, Sven. I have learned from you to do a good job on this site to enjoy all our members, as I do as well when reading your interesting Guide-Lines. - SERGE -

 

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1959Dodge
Posted 2009-12-04 4:08 PM (#199456 - in reply to #198912)
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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca		Well, why wait till next spring-summer to find out how She runs? Bring her out here to Calif and You and Aivar in his 58 Regal Lancer can see which 361 is Faster?¿
Very Nice Job, your plumbing for it is very similar to mine. I just have round chrome air-cleaners thou--sniff sniff

Gary
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big m
Posted 2009-12-04 4:28 PM (#199466 - in reply to #198912)
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Location: Williams California		Excellent job on your conversion, Serge!!

---John
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sermey
Posted 2009-12-04 5:25 PM (#199495 - in reply to #199456)
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1959Dodge - . . . can see which 361 is faster . . .

Thanks for the motivating words, Gary and John. Next I will comment how I adjusted the linkage, the Carbs and the difference in power I have experienced. - SERGE - 



Edited by sermey 2009-12-04 5:26 PM
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1959Dodge
Posted 2009-12-04 6:40 PM (#199515 - in reply to #198912)
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Location: Yorba Linda, Ca		Sounds Great, Serge, Keep it coming!!!!

Gary
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mogge65
Posted 2009-12-05 9:32 AM (#199581 - in reply to #198912)
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN		Thank´s for all pic´s and info. it makes it a little bit easier for all who wants to make there engine stand out in the crowd

Edited by mogge65 2009-12-05 9:33 AM
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59CRL
Posted 2009-12-05 2:20 PM (#199602 - in reply to #199581)
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Wow.... looks really nice!! The Edelbrocks look great, intake too..... nice setup for sure
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sermey
Posted 2011-02-19 3:01 AM (#261559 - in reply to #199073)
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sermey - 2009-12-01 10:41 PM Then I had to move the Induction Coil sitting on the Intake Manifold. According the Picture of Larry I designed a support for mounting with the Fuel Pump Bolts.. I built this part using a plate of stainless Steel and used the existing bracket. These are CAD Pics. 

On special request for Imperial252 here the eDrawing of the CoilSupport, as shown (eDrawing Viewer to Download for free).  - SERGE - 



Edited by sermey 2011-02-19 3:05 AM




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Powerflite
Posted 2016-01-14 12:06 PM (#501077 - in reply to #261559)
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Location: So. Cal		Which air filters do people use for these? I am only able to find the taller filters for the single carb applications. Where do I get the shorter ones for the dual carbs? I checked K&N as well, and they have the E-1957, but they list it for the single carb application as well as the dual carb. But their picture of it looks too tall, like the single carb version.
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mstrug
Posted 2016-01-14 12:51 PM (#501082 - in reply to #198912)
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth)		It is too tall. we need 2-1/4'' tall filters. I have some old nos filters from fram and the like. Ii believe most people use a hot rod filter the is circular and fits inside the housing. I can't remember the outer diameter, but it should be about 5'' inner diameter:

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/KAN0/E3360/N2072.oap?ck=Se...

may need a gasket but you see what I mean, it will be inside the cover. marc.

I don't know if 8'' will fit but, some of these can be oval-ed and shaped to go in the housing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SPECTRE-RED-HI-FLOW-ROUND-AIR-FILTER-K-N-OI...

Edited by mstrug 2016-01-14 1:04 PM
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Powerflite
Posted 2016-01-14 2:51 PM (#501093 - in reply to #501082)
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Location: So. Cal		Do you mean like this? I was hoping not to have to do that.
Or are you suggesting that you can get a round filter with the same circumference and squeeze it into the same shape as the oval one?



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Powerflite
Posted 2016-01-15 12:01 AM (#501149 - in reply to #501093)
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Location: So. Cal		I measured the outside circumference of an oval filter and got 29.25". Divide by pi, and you get a circle that is 9.3" in outside diameter.
To check it, I measured the inside circumference at 21.625". Divide by pi, and you get a circle that is 6.88". The thickness of the filter is 1.16" from outside to inside, so 6.88 + 2.32 = 9.2". So it comes out to the same number by measuring the inside circumference as well.

Ideally, it looks like a filter with 9.25" outside diameter is ideal, but it might be easier to find a 9" diameter instead.
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Powerflite
Posted 2016-01-16 3:12 PM (#501310 - in reply to #501149)
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Location: So. Cal		A filter from a 1978 Honda Civic 1.4L motor has an advertised outside diameter of 9.15" and a height of 2.59" so I thought I would give that a try. It is really a 9.06" diameter. It turns out pretty well even though it is visibly short, but the screen and the paper gets crushed a little at the inside corners and the outside flat areas. It looks to be a good height as well. I will probably use this until if/when I can get something better. There is a Fiat filter that looks close too, Mazda Rx7, and a Ford truck filter maybe, but they all must be ordered so you have to order one and try it.

Edit: I forgot to include the part no. of the Honda filter. It is: WIX 42909

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Mike M
Posted 2016-04-20 2:57 PM (#509839 - in reply to #198912)
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Location: Tampa, Florida		Don't know if this has been mentioned K & N now makes the air filter elements for the 1958 and newer oval air cleaners. I received an email last week from K & N and promptly ordered a pair. Just got them today and they are correct. Part number E-1959. They cost about $40 each, but you never replace them.
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