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Location: Torino - Italy | 1958 Hepcat - 2012-02-10 6:22 PM Just instaled the 2 center bows on my 59 Dodge fitts perfect.The guy how makes them is Mikael Isacsson ph nr 46-70-6537506 great guy he also makes trunkpanels for Mopar 57-59 also the panel that goes around steering and brake padel. Lars Strandheim Sweden i have receveid the same info from George .. i think is the same guy ... is assembly with wood ?? you have the email adress of this guy ?? i have lost this .....
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Yep, it looks like a nice car now. Big congratulation to your stamina (power of endurance) and your big, big effort to restore this rare car!
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Location: USA - KY | raffaplymouth - 2012-02-14 3:11 PM
now look like a car ??
...now looks like molto bello carro! (sorry about my bad Italian)
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Location: Torino - Italy | FIN ME - 2012-03-25 1:42 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-02-14 3:11 PM now look like a car ?? ...now looks like molto bello carro! (sorry about my bad Italian ) : ) : ) |
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Location: Torino - Italy | NOW FOR SALE ON HEMMING'S
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Location: D-70199 Heslach | Yes,
The prise for Adventurer Conv Rise a lot.
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Here some ather FL at same firm.
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Location: Sept. 1958 | Nice work Raffaele, your Desoto is coming along well. Any color would be nice. Keep it up. |
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Location: New Castle PA | The Hemmings car is nice, and again, I'D LOVE TO OWN IT, but GEEZ, for a half-million, I'd want the correct color top, the correct hood (no center ornament on Adventurers), the radiator support painted black, and a fuel filter, at least!!! |
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Location: USA - KY | 57desoto - 2012-03-26 7:36 AM
...no center ornament on Adventurers...
Whaddyaknow, Ed...I never noticed that before. I learn more about DeSotos every day.
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Raffaele, I just went back and looked again at the first photo of your Adventurer that you posted on this thread.
You are a MIRACLE worker!
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Location: bishop, ca | Ed, you want to take another look at this Adventurer's transmission?
The hood hinges (and springs) both look like they are painted, rather than cad-plated.
So for .5MIL would any rich owner ever care to drive this car (except off and onto an enclosed car carrier)?
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Location: New Castle PA | I know, Neal, but I don't want to say anything more about that car, 'cause some folks think that honest, constructive comments about correctness are intended to rip apart a vehicle. I don't mean anything of the sort, of course, only that a half-million ought to buy a car right in every detail (which it's not). Frankly, I think anyone that spends $500K for ANY car is out of his gourd, but that's my opinion. And no, that car won't be driven. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | I do not know which person buy cars at these prices ... Edward i see some Adventurer with center hood ornament and some without ... i don't have ... but i dont', know if my hood is original ... i don't think ... i have only front hood ornament ...... now i working on convertible folding .... very difficult rebuilting |
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Location: New Castle PA | Adventurers do NOT have the pointed hood ornament. At least they SHOULD not! If one DOES, it's because the restorer thought incorrectly that it should. Most likely, a hood from a different series was used in place of the original Adventurer hood, and of course, THAT hood would be drilled for the ornament. So what do you do? You put an ornament on (when you SHOULD have closed up the holes and left the ornament off...)
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Location: Iowa USA | It is great to see it coming together and getting the restoration I could not provide!
I ran across a couple photos of it in my garage before I sold it along with my 57 Adventurer coupe parts car.
This shows very well that it was a factory white gold car that was painted black.
Keep up the great work! If I ever make it to Italy, will you take me for a spin?
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Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | raffaplymouth - 2011-11-18 8:13 AM Wow , Black and gold is incredible !! very impact !! , im decide for black and gold ! where you find this photos ?? is sweden car ?? I recognize the location. This car was photographed at the Iola Old Car Show which is held every second week of July in Iola, Wisconsin. No clue as the when the picture was taken though.
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Location: Torino - Italy | Wow Lee !!! im very happy for these new photos !! in which
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Location: bishop, ca | Hey, Raffaele, et al, I posed a question, here, that nobody has responded to.
As you are certainly well versed in restorations, I wonder what your advise is, about when to install and to adjust a convertible
top mechanism, to a vert-body?
Thanks!
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=40848&...
"Exhibit-A" to my argument is the way that the top and windows fit/align, on that black/gold Adventurer vert
on page 4 of this thread.
It appears to me that the top & windows may have been (attempted) to have ben installed/aligned after
the body was finished & painted.
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-03-29 8:59 PM Hey, Raffaele, et al, I posed a question, here, that nobody has responded to. As you are certainly well versed in restorations, I wonder what your advise is, about when to install and to adjust a convertible top mechanism, to a vert-body? Thanks! http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=40848&... "Exhibit-A" to my argument is the way that the top and windows fit/align, on that black/gold Adventurer vert on page 4 of this thread. It appears to me that the top & windows may have been (attempted ) to have ben installed/aligned after the body was finished & painted. What thinkest thou-all? this is the first time i work on this convertible forward , on my 300 coupè the glass allignement was difficult but with good result ... on convertible i think is right check before paint job ....but convertible folding have adjusting bolt on both side .... up and down ... front and rear ... |
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Location: bishop, ca | Yeah, and there's the window operation and alignment to be concerned about, fitting to a properly installed top.
I would want to know that the top and windows and doors all fit well before I would worry about how nice the paint looks.
Otherwise, you get a car that looks like that other Adventurer---not picking on it, other than to point out what many of us have
seen, on many other verts: the top and windows don't fit well together.
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-29 4:07 AM It is great to see it coming together and getting the restoration I could not provide! I ran across a couple photos of it in my garage before I sold it along with my 57 Adventurer coupe parts car. This shows very well that it was a factory white gold car that was painted black. Keep up the great work! If I ever make it to Italy, will you take me for a spin? LEE , YOU ARE WELCOME IN ITALY ... WHEN YOU WANT |
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Location: Torino - Italy | GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ?? |
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Location: Torino - Italy | YOU ADVICE ME THAT CHECK NOW ? ... I DONT HAVE ALL GLASS .. MISSING LEFT SIDE .. NEED BUILD .. OR BUY |
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Location: bishop, ca | ...only if you want to rule out any unpleasant surprises, after the body is all painted.
The down-side to getting the top and windows to all fit and WORK properly, before the painting is done, is that the top & windows
will need to be carefully masked off, to avoid over spray damage.
On 'my' thread, I also asked about the possibility of doing a minor-partial-spraying, around the top and sides of the body (kind of
like painting the firewall/cowl areas first, on a hardtop restoration), so that, AFTER the top and glass are all working/aligned properly,
the car's body can then be painted, with the paint-line, where the two paintings come together, being merely color-sanded to remove any evidence of the two painting operations.
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 12:44 PM
Wow Lee !!! im very happy for these new photos !! in which
year you took these pictures? i see transmission in car ... you have more photos ??
I am sure I have more photos but most are probably not digital. Those photos were taken in 1999 or 2000
I wish I would have taken some when it got loaded up to leave. It seems some of the interior trim that was specific to the Adventurer convertible was missing before it got to the guy who bought it from me. The transmission was in that place when it left here, is it not with the car now? Remember the box full of trim that was missing for a time? maybe the transmission is there also.
I should try and contact the family that bought it in 1961 and see if they have any photos. Just need to remember the name!
Don't know if I would ever make it to Italy but if I do you can bet you will see me!
This photo is a slightly different angle but not much different.
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Location: Iowa USA | Since I am not sure I have shared this part of the story with you let me give you a little more information.
The car came to Iowa in 1959 from Long Island NY in the hands of Howard Bishop Conkey who is no longer alive. The next owners where from Ottumwa Iowa and the wife told me that Howard would often get in trouble with the law in Fairfield with the car so his dad cut him off prompting him to sell the car. I had heard that after he graduated from Parsons college in Fairfield he moved back to New York state and built race cars that ran at the famous Oswego speedway and was credited with designing the offset frame still used in racing?? As the years have gone by more information has become available about him on the web.
His business was called Show car speed shop and was located at 413 EAST MAIN ST WATERLOO, NY I have not been able to track any family or friends that knew him that may have photos or information about if he was the first owner.
I would say that the guy loved to go fast and the Adventurer may have been just a start. Here is a nice article from circle track magazine in 1985 about the frame he was building. http://www.michaelmarrer.com/pdf/SuperModified.pdf
A newspaper article http://www.fultonhistory.com/Process%20small/Newspapers/Oswego%20Pa...
There has got to be some old dirt track racers in the area that used to know him? Wonder if he ever talked about the Adventurer with his buddies?
http://forums.fingerlakes1.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1... looks like justme1611 knew him? |
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Location: Connecticut | d500neil - 2012-03-29 5:53 PM ...only if you want to rule out any unpleasant surprises, after the body is all painted. The down-side to getting the top and windows to all fit and WORK properly, before the painting is done, is that the top & windows will need to be carefully masked off, to avoid over spray damage.
On 'my' thread, I also asked about the possibility of doing a minor-partial-spraying, around the top and sides of the body (kind of like painting the firewall/cowl areas first, on a hardtop restoration), so that, AFTER the top and glass are all working/aligned properly, the car's body can then be painted, with the paint-line, where the two paintings come together, being merely color-sanded to remove any evidence of the two painting operations. The converts are designed with enough adjustment points in the doors, quarters and convertible top frame to allow everything to fit well. It's a good idea to do a dry run to see that the pins on the leading edge of the conv top frame land in the holes on the top of the windshield frame, which is what I did. When I get my car painted, the convertible top frame will be off to avoid overspray getting on the frame. Also, the masking that you suggest would be a PITA to accomplish. Partial painting: Don't think it's a good idea. Too much chance for a variation, especially when spraying a metallic.
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Location: bishop, ca | So, how would you describe the appearance of the top installation, and the window fitments on that black Adventurer?
Acceptable?
Typical?
The best alignments and installation work that can be done, after the car is painted?
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Location: New Castle PA | Raffaele, I'm not an expert on the convertibles, but Wayne Graefen's book describes the convertible top FRAMEWORK as Sahara Tan (Ditzler #21279). I don' t know about the bolts. You are doing an INCREDIBLE job!!!
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Location: USA - KY | mangodart - 2012-03-30 8:22 AM
...One day I should pass to visit you with my 58 Plymouth, Torino is not that far from Nice ( France ) ;)
 Ahhhh...cruising along in wonderful, classic cars between Torino and Nice; champagne on ice in the trunk...
How darned civilized can you get?! I am SOOOOOO jealous! 
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-30 12:17 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 12:44 PM Wow Lee !!! im very happy for these new photos !! in which year you took these pictures? i see transmission in car ... you have more photos ?? I am sure I have more photos but most are probably not digital. Those photos were taken in 1999 or 2000 I wish I would have taken some when it got loaded up to leave. It seems some of the interior trim that was specific to the Adventurer convertible was missing before it got to the guy who bought it from me. The transmission was in that place when it left here, is it not with the car now? Remember the box full of trim that was missing for a time? maybe the transmission is there also. I should try and contact the family that bought it in 1961 and see if they have any photos. Just need to remember the name! Don't know if I would ever make it to Italy but if I do you can bet you will see me! This photo is a slightly different angle but not much different. Lee ..thank for these photos... i'm very happy ... fortunatley Antonello Jelitro Found the box full of molding 1 years ago ....look like i have all moldings ..i have also the transmission ... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | ronbo97 - 2012-03-30 3:47 AM d500neil - 2012-03-29 5:53 PM ...only if you want to rule out any unpleasant surprises, after the body is all painted. The down-side to getting the top and windows to all fit and WORK properly, before the painting is done, is that the top & windows will need to be carefully masked off, to avoid over spray damage.
On 'my' thread, I also asked about the possibility of doing a minor-partial-spraying, around the top and sides of the body (kind of like painting the firewall/cowl areas first, on a hardtop restoration), so that, AFTER the top and glass are all working/aligned properly, the car's body can then be painted, with the paint-line, where the two paintings come together, being merely color-sanded to remove any evidence of the two painting operations. The converts are designed with enough adjustment points in the doors, quarters and convertible top frame to allow everything to fit well. It's a good idea to do a dry run to see that the pins on the leading edge of the conv top frame land in the holes on the top of the windshield frame, which is what I did. When I get my car painted, the convertible top frame will be off to avoid overspray getting on the frame. Also, the masking that you suggest would be a PITA to accomplish. Partial painting: Don't think it's a good idea. Too much chance for a variation, especially when spraying a metallic.
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Location: Torino - Italy | d500neil - 2012-03-30 8:57 AM So, how would you describe the appearance of the top installation, and the window fitments on that black Adventurer? Acceptable? Typical? The best alignments and installation work that can be done, after the car is painted? i think is possible the allignement also after the car is painted ... all is adjustable ...you dont think ?? |
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Location: Connecticut | raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand
Painting part of the door (or other panel) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea.
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-03-30 1:37 PM Raffaele, I'm not an expert on the convertibles, but Wayne Graefen's book describes the convertible top FRAMEWORK as Sahara Tan (Ditzler #21279). I don' t know about the bolts. You are doing an INCREDIBLE job!!! Ed Ok Ed ! monday i go to my local paint shop with this code ... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | ronbo97 - 2012-03-30 10:03 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand
Painting part of the door (or other panel ) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea. Ron |
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Location: Torino - Italy | mangodart - 2012-03-30 2:22 PM Really impressive job. One day I should pass to visit you with my 58 Plymouth, Torino is not that far from Nice ( France ) ;) You are welcome !! you and your 58 ply !! |
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