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ronbo97 - 2012-03-30 10:03 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand
Painting part of the door (or other panel ) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea. Ron Yes ron ...is not a good idea ... i will paint the door naked ... no glass no window regulators
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ronbo97 - 2012-03-30 10:03 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand
Painting part of the door (or other panel ) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea. Ron Yes ron ...is not a good idea ... i will paint the door naked ... no glass no window regulators
I know on my Plymouth, the regulators were installed before painting as was the door latch, remote and rod. Also the striker was installed in the jamb before paint. This was done on other cars, perhaps at all factories?
I think the same is valid for my 56 Chrysler New Yorker. The outer side of the door latch is colored like the screw, while the part of the door latch inside the door remained uncolored.
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Guys , i like this color combo ...im very undecided ...in a month will be ready to paint ...i dont know wich color ...
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Soooo many beautiful colour combinations from which to choose.
As you know, Raffael, in the case of the Adventurer, there exists the historically correct "Adventurer specific" colours and colour combinations based mainly on black, "Adventurer Gold", and white. And with such a VERY special and VERY rare car as your Adventurer, I'd be really tempted to paint it in one of those historically correct colour combinations.
There's nothing better than having the colour alone announce correctly from a distance, "Here comes a real Adventurer!"; a rare sight indeed. 
That's just my humble opinion on the matter though. Most of us will say that it's your car; one in which you have invested so much of your time and resources, and you must do what you want.
Any of the "Adventurer specific" colour combinations look great. I have a black DeSoto, and I think that there is more work involved with a keeping a black car look spotless, if that might be of concern to you.
If you want to be brave, you could maybe have a poll at this site and see what the cognoscenti think about the matter.
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Location: Torino - Italy | FIN ME - 2012-03-31 7:33 PM Soooo many beautiful colour combinations from which to choose. As you know, Raffael, in the case of the Adventurer, there exists the historically correct "Adventurer specific" colours and colour combinations based mainly on black, "Adventurer Gold", and white. And with such a VERY special and VERY rare car as your Adventurer, I'd be really tempted to paint it in one of those historically correct colour combinations. There's nothing better than having the colour alone announce correctly from a distance, "Here comes a real Adventurer!"; a rare sight indeed. That's just my humble opinion on the matter though. Most of us will say that it's your car; one in which you have invested so much of your time and resources, and you must do what you want. Any of the "Adventurer specific" colour combinations look great. I have a black DeSoto, and I think that there is more work involved with a keeping a black car look spotless, if that might be of concern to you. If you want to be brave, you could maybe have a poll at this site and see what the cognoscenti think about the matter. : ) |
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Location: Iowa USA | When this particular car left the factory white with gold sweep and went to Hollywood Perkins Desoto dealership in Wilmington Delaware between then and 1959 when it came to Iowa it was painted black over the white (without taking the trim off) because the 1959 Iowa title shows it as black. Even the second owner in Iowa insisted it was a black car when I told her it left the factory white. Raffy has the build sheet and the title records that I was able to get. Unfortunately I was not able to get any title information from New York. They had my check for a title search for 2 years without response when I mentioned it to a Desoto club member Robert Donatucci who was also a state senator from New York and after week or so I got my check back and a note that stated "no records found" So unfortunately I could not verify if the guy who brought it to Iowa (Howard Conkey) was indeed the first owner and if it was ever titled as a white car? Howard's brother stated he always knew it as black when I talked to him years ago and he thought his brother got it new. I believe he also stated that his brother wanted a black and gold version but could not find one so he had a white one painted black. It has been black and gold for a long time! But it left the factory white and gold.
Either one of the two color combinations look great but I was learning toward putting it back to white gold since that would be factory correct but darn do they look good in black!
About 20 years ago I found another 57 Adventurer convertible that was an original gold with white sweep version with factory air just outside of Rapid City SD and tried to buy it but messed up when I told the seller I wanted a title and asked him to get one from SD since Iowa is such a pain in the ass to get a title in. He sold it to someone in Minnesota that did not ask for a title and in my opinion the gold main body with white sweep and gold (tan) convertible top was just a bit much of one color and did not look as good as the cars with while and black main colors.
Either choice Raffy makes it will look great and 99.999% of the people that see it will have no clue what color it should be or shouldn't be. And since I did not win the mega millions jackpot last night i will not get a chance to buy it back. darn! |
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Location: Iowa USA | Hello Raffy
Shoot me a PM with the name of the second owner in Iowa from the titles I sent you by PM and I will try to contact the family again and see if they have any vintage photos of the car.
The wife was very proud of the car and loved it a lot so she should have photos? If the mother is not still with us I will contact the daughter that was potentially conceived in the car according to the mother and see if she can track something down? I am sure the mother would be glad to hear that it is being brought back to life. |
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Location: Iowa USA | I finally found the other pictures on my computer from when I sold the car.
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Location: Iowa USA | A lot of NOS parts also went with the car including a NOS door skin to replace the damaged one on the drivers side. I also found the pictures of a bunch of the other parts I sold at the same time a set of NOS trunk strips, door handles and lots of other trim and parts. Here are a few
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 9:13 PM A lot of NOS parts also went with the car including a NOS door skin to replace the damaged one on the drivers side. I also found the pictures of a bunch of the other parts I sold at the same time a set of NOS trunk strips, door handles and lots of other trim and parts. Here are a few Lee !! where to dig to find these pictures ??? Thank you !! I have received the door skin .. I dont received nos fender ornament and little quarter moldings |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 2:42 PM
roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 9:13 PM A lot of NOS parts also went with the car including a NOS door skin to replace the damaged one on the drivers side. I also found the pictures of a bunch of the other parts I sold at the same time a set of NOS trunk strips, door handles and lots of other trim and parts. Here are a few Lee !! where to dig to find these pictures ??? Thank you !! I have received the door skin .. I dont received nos fender ornament and little quarter moldings
I had the pictures on my computer but I have thousands of photos on it so it took a while to dig them out.
I sold the other parts seperatly on Ebay, I had a hell of a lot of NOS for the car but the guy who bought it from me did not want to buy all the other parts at the time so I sold them on ebay.
The important parts like original engine, intake, carbs, air cleaners, door skin etc. went with the car.
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 8:58 PM Hello Raffy Shoot me a PM with the name of the second owner in Iowa from the titles I sent you by PM and I will try to contact the family again and see if they have any vintage photos of the car. The wife was very proud of the car and loved it a lot so she should have photos? If the mother is not still with us I will contact the daughter that was potentially conceived in the car according to the mother and see if she can track something down? I am sure the mother would be glad to hear that it is being brought back to life. Lee , let me know if you know something from this family , you are very kind ... 3 months ago I was in New York ... I could go visit them ... |
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Location: Torino - Italy | LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ???
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Location: Iowa USA | I do believe you have my notes in the yellow binder that gives the name and contact information of the brother in New york? Also in that folder are copies of the titles from Iowa. I can not remember the name of the people that bought the car from Howard Conkey. If you give me the name I will contact them and see if I can track down the family and see if they have any vintage photos of the car from the time they owned it (1961-65?) You might also have some luck joining the racing forums listed above and asking for people that knew Howard for information about his family. And maybe find who has the family photos?? |
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 3:07 PM
LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ???
I love the look of the black car more than the white but I would have probably painted it white since it was indeed the correct original color.
I would not have changed it to a gold car with white or black sweep because I don't think the gold convertibles look good with the gold(tan) top
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Location: Torino - Italy | roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 10:17 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 3:07 PM LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ??? I love the look of the black car more than the white but I would have probably painted it white since it was indeed the correct original color. I would not have changed it to a gold car with white or black sweep because I don't think the gold convertibles look good with the gold (tan ) top http://www.sportscardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/P1120164-201-DeSoto-1957-Adventurer-Convertible-50419195_1200.jpg. |
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FIN ME - 2012-03-31 7:55 PM you forgot Gold with black on the back
Here you go. 
Sorry that the photos are not that great. Thought it might be good to see them side by side.
They are all beautiful. I don't envy you having to make such a difficult choice, Raffael!
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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | Were there 2 option on the Gold for Adventurers, Spanish code V and Adventurer gold code P,the adventure Gold looks darker in colour?
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GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ??
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Location: Iowa USA | raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 3:26 PM
roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 10:17 PM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 3:07 PM LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ??? I love the look of the black car more than the white but I would have probably painted it white since it was indeed the correct original color. I would not have changed it to a gold car with white or black sweep because I don't think the gold convertibles look good with the gold (tan ) top i know ...but you don't like also GOLD with WHITE top ?? http://www.sportscardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/P1120164-201-DeSoto-1957-Adventurer-Convertible-50419195_1200.jpg.
White top is not correct for the Adventurer so I would say no. And the hubcaps do not really "stand out" like they do with the black and white cars.
All of this is just my personal opinion! It's your car you can do what you want as long as it can be returned to original at some point. I would hate to see the car hot rodded! |
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Location: New Castle PA | I agree with Lee. White top is not correct. I'd do the authentic thing and paint it white with gold if it were me. You're going to such trouble to make things fit together and be correct, why not do that with the paint, too? |
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Location: USA - KY | springsweptwing - 2012-03-31 7:24 PM
Were there 2 option on the Gold for Adventurers, Spanish code V and Adventurer gold code P,the adventure Gold looks darker in colour?
Spanish Gold (colour code "V") was a spring colour for 1957 only, and so far, I'm not aware that the colour was available to any model other than the Firesweep.
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Ed, was tan the only colour choice for the 1957 DeSoto convertible top? Did the colours vary according to model?
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Location: Torino - Italy | FIN ME - 2012-04-01 1:10 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 2:39 PM FIN ME - 2012-03-31 7:55 PM you forgot Gold with black on the back Here you go. Sorry that the photos are not that great. Thought it might be good to see them side by side. They are all beautiful. I don't envy you having to make such a difficult choice, Raffael! i like also Gold and black , but i think to return at white and gold , factory paint .. |
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Location: Torino - Italy | christine-lover - 2012-04-01 1:38 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 5:13 PM GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ?? Raffaele, I have some detailed photos of my 58 Plymouth's top frame. It's original, I'll post some photos of it later when I get home. Some hardware is painted, some is natural. ok !! i wait |
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Location: Torino - Italy | 57desoto - 2012-04-01 1:16 PM I agree with Lee. White top is not correct. I'd do the authentic thing and paint it white with gold if it were me. You're going to such trouble to make things fit together and be correct, why not do that with the paint, too? Ed , i'm almost decided for white ... if anyone have other photos of white Desoto ADV ... i don't find more online .... |
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christine-lover - 2012-04-01 1:38 AM raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 5:13 PM GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ?? Raffaele, I have some detailed photos of my 58 Plymouth's top frame. It's original, I'll post some photos of it later when I get home. Some hardware is painted, some is natural. ok !! i wait
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It seems the screws and bolts are natural, and where ever there's a pin/washer/cotter pim, those should be painted top frame color. I have so many photos, but I don't want to hijack your thread. So I put them here on my cars thread:
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Location: New Castle PA | FIN ME, 1957 DeSoto convertible tops were available in colors, as you would expect, except for the Adventurer model. They called it "Adventurer gold" but all it really was was common tan. Same color tan top for all 4 combinations of Adventurer paint setups. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Raffaele, I'm glad you have decided to do the right thing (white paint)...back on 11/10/11 you were asking
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Honor the car and restore its appearance.
BTW, it may be a little early, but it is instructive to go back to 2009, and the inception of this thread, to see how far you've
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I had no idea that wood was used in the convertible top construction.
If it was, that is the answer to a great trivia question!
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Location: bishop, ca | I don't know if you've had any/all of the gold colored trim plated, yet, but, as opposed to the shiny 24K gold plated
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Thanks, Ed!
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Thanks, Ed!
Congratulations on deciding on the colours for your Adventurer, Raffael!
(Secretly I was hoping you would paint it in its original white and gold colours. )
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