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61imp |
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Regular Posts: 90 Location: Oklahoma | I bought one today, just found this thread and realized what it was. It has the hood ornament and the side and trunk trim. It was listed on Craigslist as a 1956 Chrysler Windsor. I bought it for parts for my '57 Custom Royal. (rsz_img_3222.jpg) (rsz_img_3223.jpg) Attachments ---------------- rsz_img_3222.jpg (130KB - 360 downloads) rsz_img_3223.jpg (111KB - 399 downloads) | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Well, at the very-worst, you can part it out. Is there stainless trim along its rocker panel? Anyone who already has spare Unobtanium parts for his car could 'name' his price for them, for an insurance-damage claim situation. | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | <<<----- For this '58 Windsor, I can use a good grille and passenger side back-up lens if good (no big cracks)... PM sent ...please advise and thanks! Torben on here has a '58 Dartline and might be able to use some of the special trim for that model, I'll PM him to let him know. Like that color! Might use that on mine, which is now boring metallic beige-brown, but rust-free from New Mexico. Edited by firedome 2013-12-04 10:27 AM | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | PS: could also use a hood ornament, mine never had one, but evidently most of the Spring Specials did. | ||
58WindsorDartline |
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi fellow FL fans ! Nice to see that the thread is still alive, I have been out due to health for 6 mounth, so I have not been on here since. Welcome to 61 imp, nice of you to drop in, and the Dartline you have found it looks as a good project or good parts car, almost to good, what is your plans with it ? let us hear more and maby see more pictures, we would also like to se your '57 Dodge. To firedome, thanks for the PM. Happy New Year to all. Torben 58windsorDartline | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | Hope your health issues go away so you can concentrate on that cool Dartline! none of us are getting any younger! | ||
58WindsorDartline |
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi firedome ! You are right, none of us are getting younger, but it is funny, in our head we are not getting older neither. My health is luckly not life thread'ning, I just have problems with my back, knees, elbowes and shoulders, and it can not be cured, so working is a problem, that is frustrating but beside that Im ok. A big problem is what that do to our economy, I can just hope for the best regarding that, It is not easy to love cars, wanting to restore them and have no money for it, that is where my problem is right now, if I had the money there where so many cars and parts to buy, just in the larst year, dam I hope to get back on track soon. In the men while let's enjoy the good furtune, of the one's lucky enough to get the cars and parts for their dream. Torben 58WindsorDartline | ||
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi all FL friends ! How is winther treating you, are you abel to work on your FL cars, or are you just waiting for spring to come. Let's se some pictures of your projects. Torben 58WindsorDartline | ||
FIN ME |
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Expert Posts: 2788 Location: USA - KY | Hi to you, Torben! When my car gets back from the blockers, it will get new paint and improved bright work for the spring. I'll post some pic's eventually. Hope you're feeling better! | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | Welcome back Torben! That grille and hood ornament from the Bimini Blue car above that 61imp posted are now sitting in my office! If it would only warm up so I could work on my car... feeling OK and getting antsy for Spring! | ||
GSP392 |
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Veteran Posts: 209 Location: The Republic of Texas | The more I thought I knew the more I realize I didn't know after all. So did all '58 Windsors have the same front end and was Dartline the name is this particular Windsor trim option? Would my Windsor be known as a "Windsor Sweep", since it came with the sweep trim? Does anybody have a source for information that explains all this? | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Hey, George; have you posted-up pics of your ride, yet? | ||
GSP392 |
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Veteran Posts: 209 Location: The Republic of Texas | d500neil - 2014-02-03 4:44 PM Hey, George; have you posted-up pics of your ride, yet? Hey Neil, yes it's under my 58 Chrysler in this section. | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | All '58 Windsors have the same Dodge derived front end, all parts including hood and fenders are different from NYer/Saratoga, except for turn signals, grille badge, and the lower bumper I believe. Early models have unpainted aluminum headlight doors, after about Feb or March all Windsor headlight doors were dark charcoal, almost black. The Sweep rear side trim was an option, a single plain strip from taillight to rear of front wheel opening was standard on most Windsors, the 2 dr hardtop in the brochure has the Sweep, and other ones I've seen had it, but I have seen a 2 and 4 dr hrdtp Windsors with the single strip and I've even seen a Saratoga 2 dr hardtop with a single strip and no painted insert!! If yours had the Sweep it was a regular Windsor 2 dr hardtop not a Dartline, all Dartline models by definition had the specific Dartline side trim and also the separate "Special Chrome Molding Trim Package" a Spring Special promotion avail on ALL models of Chrysler where they tried to jazz up the trim with extra brightwork to stimulate sales. 4 Dr sedans didn't get the wide roof rail trim, only 2/4 dr hardtops, but sedans had the rest of the added chrome (stainless). Dartline side was avail on all Windsors, with or without the SCMTP, evidently, and the latter could also be ordered on regular Windsors with or without Sweeps after about Feb/Mar, that's what my 4 dr hrdtp has. All Windsors were build at the Detroit Jeff. Ave. or LA Dodge plants. You can see the origin of the Dartline trim when looking at the standard single strip trim design, they retained the stock piece from the rear quarter (& the rear door on 4 dr models), then all they to do was modify the front door piece to branch up to the new front fender piece, add the silver insert and the front fender piece, they could even re-use the short lower piece that went up to the rear of the wheel opening as the lower piece. That probably accounts for the somewhat awkward design of the Dartline trim, particularly the odd concave shape of that front fender silver insert with the 3 gold crowns on it. Edited by firedome 2014-02-04 1:37 PM | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Dunno if this Dartline has been seen here, before, but website member Duncan Darby (Darbydun) own it. Edited by d500neil 2014-02-08 10:05 PM (Dartline.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Dartline.jpg (75KB - 371 downloads) | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | Great gathering of distinctive FLs, where was or is that Neil? What are the ones we can't quite see? The Dartline 4 dr Hrdtp appears to have trunk bars, rocker and roof moldings and side trim - the full Spring Special Monty! | ||
58WindsorDartline |
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi FIN ME, firedome, d500neil and GSP392 ! Nice to hear from you all and thanks for your concern, beside fighting the system, I'm as good as I get, it is just my back, knee and arms that gives me some troubles. I look froward to se your pictures FIN ME, and just like you guys I look forward to springtime, I miss the sound of my V8. D500neil thanks for shearing the Dartline with us, I don't think we have seen Duncan's Dartline here before, do you think he will tell us a litle abouth it ?, if he doesn't follow this thread, will you then ask him ?. GSP392 if you want to se what makes a Dartline and what makes the spring special moulding, I have put up a picture of the dealer brochure for these thing, on this thread, I just don't know the exact page. Good to hear from you all ! Torben 58WindsorDartline | ||
58WindsorDartline |
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi GSP392 I have just found the springtime dealer brochure, it is at page 3 Torben 58WindsorDartline | ||
GSP392 |
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Veteran Posts: 209 Location: The Republic of Texas | 58WindsorDartline - 2014-02-13 5:46 AM Hi GSP392 I have just found the springtime dealer brochure, it is at page 3 Torben 58WindsorDartline Thanks Torben, I appreciate it! | ||
Adventurer 60 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 827 Location: tailFinland | 58 Windsor Dartline coupe for sale in Finland http://www.nettiauto.com/chrysler/windsor/6179215 | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | Interesting - silver headlight doors are not typical, also black and gold engine, has been repainted or rebuilt, should be all silver. Missing hard to find pass front fender Dartline trim, but the Bimini Blue parts car above has it. Decent carpet & the steering wheel is nice, but where is the front seat? 12,400E is, what, about $15,000? Edited by firedome 2014-02-15 11:56 AM | ||
58WindsorDartline |
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi Adventure 60 ! Welcome the the thread, and thanks for the hint abouth the Dartline for sale in Finland. I think it might be the 2 dr.ht. Dartline we alredy know of in Finland, Dam I would like to have it, it is around $ 16.500, it would be a good suplement to my 2 dr.ht. Dartline. Torben 58WindsorDartline | ||
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi all of you ! Spring is on it's way, are you getting ready out there, how abouth you firdome have you solved your problems so you can keep your Windsor, I realy hope so!, let us see some pictures of your cars and the preperations your making. Torben 58WindsorDartline | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | Thanks Torben, been feeling OK, and during this long winter got a grille and hood ornament from the blue car (up top of this page), and also snagged a NOS back-up lens (rare!!) from ePay, one of the last trim parts I needed... so if it would just warm up now so Windsor SS work can begin! I'm hoping to have a local body guy graft on the new rear fender from California, if he ever gets his insurance/collision workload reduced, from this bloody snowy winter! Let us all know what you have planned for your Dartline this year! | ||
58WindsorDartline |
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi firedome ! Great to hear that you feel better, I look forward to se pictures of the cars when you get them ready. My plans for my Dartline this year is a little blury, I am trying to se if I can get in touch with the owner, of the Finish Dartline that is for sale, but so fare no luck, so if annybody knows him, let me know. Torben 58WindsorDartline | ||
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi Adventurer 60 ! You are from Findland, do you know if the Finish Dartline is sold, and if not, can you perhaps translate the ad. I don't get any sense out of it, not even if i use google translate. Maby he has a mail or a phone number, or if you know him, send me a PM. Torben 58WindsorDartline | ||
Adventurer 60 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 827 Location: tailFinland | Replied in a PM I think its gone to new owner. So much done already and a very fair prise. | ||
58WindsorDartline |
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi Adventure 60 ! Thanks for trying, I would have loved to talk with the owner. Torben 58WindsorDartline | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Imitation is the sincerest form of Flatulence... (PICT0087.JPG) (PICT0088.JPG) Attachments ---------------- PICT0087.JPG (109KB - 350 downloads) PICT0088.JPG (107KB - 345 downloads) | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | Interesting, never noticed the resembalnce before... Wildcat was sort of their hot-rod model. | ||
58WindsorDartline |
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi Neil ! Good spotting, I have never made that connection either, and I have own a Wildcat, but not a 1963. I had a 1966 Wildcat Convertible with a 401 Nailhed, it was a nice car and even thoe it was pretty heavy, it was also pretty fast. Torben 58WindsorDartline | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Let's try this... (That worked out GOOD..!) Edited by d500neil 2014-04-23 8:42 PM (58.5.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58.5.jpg (403KB - 350 downloads) | ||
GSP392 |
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Veteran Posts: 209 Location: The Republic of Texas | d500neil - 2014-04-23 7:40 PM Let's try this... (That worked out GOOD..!) can't I get some credit for the article, I mean after all it came out of my album. Edited by GSP392 2014-04-23 10:48 PM | ||
imopar380 |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7205 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Amazing that the Buick Wildcat has the three "ventiports" in the trim area and the Chrysler has three little gold "crowns?" in the same area. | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | "lacked the solid, well engineered look of their immediate predecessors" ? he should have said they didn't look so fat and heavy anymore! He's also off on the details of '58 Windsor trim, most 2 and 4 dr hardtop US built Windsors also had the V shaped rear fender trim... mine does, as do most shown in ads of the time. | ||
GSP392 |
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Veteran Posts: 209 Location: The Republic of Texas | I don't agree with many things in the acticle. Many of the things were a matter of his opnion. Still, I bought the article to ad to my collection. | ||
58WindsorDartline |
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Veteran Posts: 259 Location: Hinnerup, Jylland (Jutland), Denmark | Hi GSP392 ! Thanks for sharing the article, I have never seen that before, where is it from ? I have to find one for my collection to, after all I own one, Torben 58WindsorDartline | ||
GSP392 |
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Veteran Posts: 209 Location: The Republic of Texas | 58WindsorDartline - 2014-04-24 3:12 PM Hi GSP392 ! Thanks for sharing the article, I have never seen that before, where is it from ? I have to find one for my collection to, after all I own one, Torben 58WindsorDartline You're welcome Torben. It's one I found on ebay. I bought it to help clarify the whole "Dartline" issue, which it did I guess. I'm not sure the correct trim option name for mine. I'll just call it "sweep" unitl I hear otherwise. (it is an original clipping) Edited by GSP392 2014-04-24 4:49 PM | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | Tad Burness's Auto Album was a feature in some US newpapers for many years, starting in around the mid-late 70s. This is a clipping or reproduction from a newspaper. He also complied the American Car Spotters Guides, I have the 1940-65 one. They are compilations of old ads and factory pics, with some of the car's data hand written on them, as above. These were done at a time when very little was being written or published about '50s cars. He was sort of a pioneer in that respect. There is another cool book called "Real Steel" that was also early in covering the '50s. Some of these early books can be found on Amazon or eBay. Edited by firedome 2014-04-24 4:36 PM | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | Attention Dartliners! ... look under "58 Windsor" in "Vehicles for Sale" - a Dartline in Iowa that is available for parts is shown. just FYI. | ||
The Chrysler Kid |
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Expert Posts: 1384 Location: Ocala, Florida | I have seen a photo of Dartline trim on a 58 Chrysler wagon. Anyone have any photos of one as I cant seem to find any? | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | Never saw a Dartline wagon, must be super rare if they exist, a pic of one here would be great!! | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | y'all might keep your evilpay-eyes out for this postcard: To facilitate your search, Jim Hoek advises that is PC is taken of/at: Sauzer's Waffle Shop in Schererville, Indiana ...This is potentially not a bad piece of artwork, if you crop-out the Olds, at the far left, and closely crop the Fartster, on the right, plus photo-chop out the overhead wires, and closely crop/chop out the roadway markings in the foreground. You probably should chop, too, that rooftop chimney structure, to clean-up the final image. And, if you are really creative, you (or, a commercial techno-nerd) could replace the F-word with a rear end view of your own car, in its location, there. Edited by d500neil 2014-06-25 3:31 PM (46739028.jpg) (INScherervilleSauzersWaffleShopA.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 46739028.jpg (23KB - 339 downloads) INScherervilleSauzersWaffleShopA.jpg (20KB - 333 downloads) | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | Thanks for the pics Neil! BTW the color on that Dartline above is the same Sandalwood Metallic color on my '58... booorrring! It will be changed to something more period typical... ie something a bit more flashy! | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Roger, do what you must, but Sandalwood Metallic, if new/fresh, is NOT 'boring', and is certainly era-typical! Put a white top on it, for interior (and exterior!) Koolness, but, that color is very harmonious (not 'boring') with the chrome/stainless trim on the car, and, with the Sky-High roof on it. Sandalwood (and white/black) is Olde money; red/blue colors are NEW money....and the car will get confused with all the Chubbies out there. The General Public will not have previously seen Sandalwood, and will be attracted to it, as it stands out from the other hot-rods. Red/Blue: "What year Chubbie is that thing"? Edited by d500neil 2014-06-26 6:35 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 1384 Location: Ocala, Florida | I must say that sandalwood would look mighty nice on my plaza! I'm going to look into that very nice. | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | So what's the color for "No Money"? LOL! Sandalwood is just too blah imo, one can get very similar colors on brand new cars today! I want a color that would be found only on a late '50s car. And it wouldn't be red or blue either, no offense, Horrie. My Windsor/Dodge does have the original white top and sweep insert. I'm leaning towards painting the Sandalwood areas Shell Pink, a correct '58 Chrysler color, and not seen on too many Chebbies or Ferds last time I looked. My Scoutmaster had a '57 Saratoga 4 dr hardtop in Shell Pink/Cloud White, and I've loved that color combo on Chryslers ever since! Sandalwood wouldn't look bad on a Plaza or Savoy sedan, perhaps, a more understated car. Edited by firedome 2014-06-27 10:10 AM | ||
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Expert Posts: 2312 Location: Arizona | d500neil - 2014-06-25 12:13 PM y'all might keep your evilpay-eyes out for this postcard: To facilitate your search, Jim Hoek advises that is PC is taken of/at: Sauzer's Waffle Shop in Schererville, Indiana ...This is potentially not a bad piece of artwork, if you crop-out the Olds, at the far left, and closely crop the Fartster, on the right, plus photo-chop out the overhead wires, and closely crop/chop out the roadway markings in the foreground. You probably should chop, too, that rooftop chimney structure, to clean-up the final image. And, if you are really creative, you (or, a commercial techno-nerd) could replace the F-word with a rear end view of your own car, in its location, there. Are those horizontal trim bars on the trunk a factory thing? Don't think I've ever seen them before. | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | My ride's a natural (not bottle-) blonde; no offense taken. Yeah, those trunk moldings are a part of the Spring Special package....that's how I spotted the car, in the initial posting of the PC, over on our GEN DISC's "Photographs" message board. About the only color that is typically-uniquely 50's is "Sea Foam F-word Green"; even Pink might be associated with a woman named "M. Kaye". | ||
firedome |
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | Those Kaye-Cars were special order though, never factory, and pink was only factory available up to '62 or thereabouts, and only Caddies at the end. Pink, Salmon, Pale Lavender, Sea-Foam Green and Aqua/Turquoise were pretty much exclusively from 1955 or so, maybe up to early '60s, the peak era of automobile-dom, and never since! Whereas just this afternoon I saw a new-ish Corolla in a shade very close to Sandalwood...so not to be on my '58! It will have a '58 Chrysler color though. Edited by firedome 2014-06-28 4:51 PM | ||
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