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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | Ron, I made those braces up in a hardtop body that was in good shape, using steel square tubing. These will fit any 2-door '57-59 Mopar, other than Imperial. ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | Been hard at work massaging out ripples and high spots in the metal, most I removed with shrinking and dollying, but the dogleg area had a low spot that wouldn't budge. This was the piece I made and fitted in, so apparently the contour was off enough to create this slight depression. I broke out the lead and tinning supplies, also filling the seam on the windshield frame as the factory would have done. ---John ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 006.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 007.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 008.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 009.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 010.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (156KB - 328 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (156KB - 344 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (150KB - 327 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (153KB - 335 downloads) '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (157KB - 339 downloads) '59 SF convertible 006.JPG (163KB - 341 downloads) '59 SF convertible 007.JPG (158KB - 353 downloads) '59 SF convertible 008.JPG (159KB - 342 downloads) '59 SF convertible 009.JPG (160KB - 342 downloads) '59 SF convertible 010.JPG (163KB - 349 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | More grinding and cleaning of welds continued on the bottom of the car, just about done with that part now. I probably have about 120 hours in that work alone in this project. Quarter panels are now quite straight, as the bare metal shows. I still have a lot to do on the top side of the car yet, I will sandblast the body when the metalwork is complete, and then get it in primer to work on the chassis. ---John ('59 SF convertible 014.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 015.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 016.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 011.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 014.JPG (156KB - 338 downloads) '59 SF convertible 015.JPG (156KB - 337 downloads) '59 SF convertible 016.JPG (164KB - 340 downloads) '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (162KB - 332 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (164KB - 322 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (165KB - 348 downloads) '59 SF convertible 011.JPG (154KB - 352 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6203 Location: Big pimpin' | John, you keep messin' round you gonna end up with a car! | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Surely you know this John, but better safe than sorry - be careful if you're gonna sandblast the sheet metal - if the jet gets the sheet metal too hot, the heat will warp it out of shape. It's a painstaking work you're doing and I follow it with great interest!! | ||
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | I love looking at this thread ! Nice work, John. You're obsessed ! As a suggestion, it would be nice to see a top-down photo. If you stand on a ladder and shoot down, it'll give us an idea of what you've done and what's left. Ron | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | wizard - 2012-06-05 10:45 AM Surely you know this John, but better safe than sorry - be careful if you're gonna sandblast the sheet metal - if the jet gets the sheet metal too hot, the heat will warp it out of shape. It's a painstaking work you're doing and I follow it with great interest!! Thanks, Sven! Any blasting I do will be for the body supports and floors that have rust residue, should be quite quick, as there hasn't been much that was not replaced. ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | ronbo97 - 2012-06-05 1:26 PM I love looking at this thread ! Nice work, John. You're obsessed ! As a suggestion, it would be nice to see a top-down photo. If you stand on a ladder and shoot down, it'll give us an idea of what you've done and what's left. Ron Thanks, Ron! I'll do that, I have a loft up above the car where I can take a photo from. I still have some work on the top well to do, also the trunk weatherstrip gutters. ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 4042 Location: Connecticut | big m - 2012-06-05 5:09 PM I still have some work on the top well to do, also the trunk weatherstrip gutters. ---John The trunk lid weatherstrip channel should be a no-brainer since it's the same on all 59 Plymouths. And as a bonus, it's just spot-welded onto the body. I wouldn't even try to repair what's currently in place, since you probably have many donor cars. Ron | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 468 | That's an awesome car lot of work on it so far! | ||
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Expert Posts: 3951 Location: Bama | ronbo97 - 2012-06-05 5:23 PM big m - 2012-06-05 5:09 PM I still have some work on the top well to do, also the trunk weatherstrip gutters. ---John The trunk lid weatherstrip channel should be a no-brainer since it's the same on all 59 Plymouths. And as a bonus, it's just spot-welded onto the body. I wouldn't even try to repair what's currently in place, since you probably have many donor cars. Ron I'll bet Big M pondered that same notion. s**t dingle dangle
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 530 Location: Wake Forest, NC | A great thread and great work John. | ||
big m |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | Fins/413 - 2012-06-06 4:24 AM A great thread and great work John. Thanks, Eric! ---John | ||
big m |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | Next will be to either repair, or fabricate a new convertible pump mount, as this one looks like swiss cheese. I derusted it with reverse electrolysis, so at least there will be no surprises. ---John ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (162KB - 335 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (157KB - 345 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (156KB - 318 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 3577 Location: Blythewood, SC | Not much to work with on the end there. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | A little bit of good ol' American ingenuity- I saved the upright sides, as they were not rusted badly, found a store shelf in the scrap pile that was the same gauge steel, and made the lower platform. I welded the uprights on my new piece, and cut a rectangular hole in the center. Agsain, I raided the scrap pile and found part of a junk steering column that was just about the curvature I needed. I cut a section out, and formed the curved ends to duplicate the original, and welded it into place. A bit of metal finishing, and its hard to tell all this was done. ---John (020.JPG) (021.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 016.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 017.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 018.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 019.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 020.JPG (153KB - 316 downloads) 021.JPG (159KB - 330 downloads) '59 SF convertible 016.JPG (149KB - 334 downloads) '59 SF convertible 017.JPG (146KB - 317 downloads) '59 SF convertible 018.JPG (159KB - 320 downloads) '59 SF convertible 019.JPG (157KB - 334 downloads) | ||
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Veteran Posts: 143 Location: Malmberget, Sweden | It's always a pleasure to see craftsman at work, | ||
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Expert Posts: 2633 Location: Minor Hill, TN | How more you need to do before you are done? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | I took a break from cleaning out the barn to do a bit more on the body. Up to the convertible top well I had a bit of finish work to do, mainly making up the end caps that go over the top main pivot. I saved the old pieces for templates, and used some mild steel to make a new one for the one side. The piece was then butt welded in, and the factory seam was then finished with solder. ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 036.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 037.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 039.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (151KB - 322 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (157KB - 320 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (154KB - 294 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (162KB - 323 downloads) '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (159KB - 334 downloads) '59 SF convertible 036.JPG (159KB - 318 downloads) '59 SF convertible 037.JPG (156KB - 319 downloads) '59 SF convertible 039.JPG (154KB - 319 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | On to the other side- There was a bit more hammer and dolly work required on this side, but I was able to use the original end cap as the rust was minor. I cleaned up the edges, and fitted the small piece, and welded it in. Then the seam was leaded in, rough filed, and checked. Next was to smooth the area out. ('59 SF convertible 040.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 041.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 042.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 043.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 044.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 040.JPG (157KB - 323 downloads) '59 SF convertible 041.JPG (145KB - 332 downloads) '59 SF convertible 042.JPG (161KB - 318 downloads) '59 SF convertible 043.JPG (144KB - 299 downloads) '59 SF convertible 044.JPG (157KB - 312 downloads) | ||
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Regular Posts: 69 Location: Northern Ireland | I like you're style make do and mend works for me, does the electrolysis get all the rust of and what do you use to kill the flash rust? I have started to use the molasses 9-1 water solution seems to be working well but am concerned about the flash rust hoping for some advice from somebody who has actually had to deal with it to cold in my shed for epoxy. Thanks for the inspiration. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | Alright, John.. the truth... You're already driving this car, right???? You're just releasing the pics as a teaser, I assume??? Looks killer, man. Nice work, as always. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | slow2learn - 2012-09-26 10:50 AM I like you're style make do and mend works for me, does the electrolysis get all the rust of and what do you use to kill the flash rust? I have started to use the molasses 9-1 water solution seems to be working well but am concerned about the flash rust hoping for some advice from somebody who has actually had to deal with it to cold in my shed for epoxy. Thanks for the inspiration. I have that problem, this being an open barn and not climate controlled. I simply spray a light oil such as WD-40 or similar penetrant on the surface to keep the oxygen away. I will be doing a light blasting to the body and spray with epoxy primer before I seal the body up and start on the chassis. The reverse electrolysis does leave a rusty residue, but it's easily removed with a wire brush or scotch-brite pad. ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | BarnFind57 - 2012-09-26 12:26 PM Alright, John.. the truth... You're already driving this car, right???? You're just releasing the pics as a teaser, I assume??? Looks killer, man. Nice work, as always. :cool: I wish I could say I was getting close, Rick, but time to work on it seems to be getting scarcer and scarcer. I hauled in probably fifty cars in the last two months, with no signs of slowing down. Seems a lot of folks that have been hoarding cars, are now getting rid of their collections. ---John | ||
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Veteran Posts: 241 Location: Southern CA | Hey John, you have some serious metal working talents! And you need them all for a project of that magnitude. I'm learning a lot reading this thread. Thanks for taking the time to share your restoration story...Steve | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | Leadfoot1000 - 2012-09-26 9:20 PM Hey John, you have some serious metal working talents! And you need them all for a project of that magnitude. I'm learning a lot reading this thread. Thanks for taking the time to share your restoration story...Steve Thanks, Steve, I'm glad you enjoyed reading it. ---John | ||
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Veteran Posts: 188 | I am amazed from the efforts, time and energy some people like you are doing to save a nice old car. Of course these nice car deserves all the efforts. And then you deserve to drive and enjoy them. Regards | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | I decided rather than to replace sections of the trunk weatherstrip gutter, that I would repair what I had, as there was just the seams, and a small area where the rust had 'dog-eared' the edge. I used brass rod in order to do this. I also used an 80 grit disc toremove high spots from previous welds. ('59 SF convertible 024.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 025.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 027.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 032.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 031.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 033.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 024.JPG (153KB - 328 downloads) '59 SF convertible 025.JPG (155KB - 314 downloads) '59 SF convertible 027.JPG (151KB - 322 downloads) '59 SF convertible 032.JPG (160KB - 328 downloads) '59 SF convertible 031.JPG (159KB - 301 downloads) '59 SF convertible 033.JPG (149KB - 322 downloads) | ||
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Veteran Posts: 234 Location: Chambersburg,PA | WOW! what an inspiring story,such awesome work,the compliment "great job" just dosen't seem good enough :O) Can't wait to see more. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1102 Location: Hayward, Calif | GREAT WORK, John !! I see progress since the last time I was there. One of these days you will be riding in style !! Jerry | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5139 Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | John, Don't you think if you did a restoration on Miss Belvy, it would be easier? I know you will get this car done someday, and when you do, you can honestly say you hand-built it 8-) ........................MO | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | Desotorandy - 2012-10-18 5:35 PM WOW! what an inspiring story,such awesome work,the compliment "great job" just dosen't seem good enough :O) Can't wait to see more. Thanks for the compliment, Randy! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | 59 in Calif - 2012-10-18 7:07 PM GREAT WORK, John !! I see progress since the last time I was there. One of these days you will be riding in style !! Jerry Thanks, Jerry! Have you made any progress on the Dodge recently? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | MOPAR-TO-YA - 2012-10-18 10:00 PM John, Don't you think if you did a restoration on Miss Belvy, it would be easier? I know you will get this car done someday, and when you do, you can honestly say you hand-built it 8-) ........................MO Thanks, Steve, and you do realize, we'll be taking our usual cross-country trip once it's roadworthy, and coming to visit ya again. ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | I found numerous rust holes in the drain channel for the convertible top well. I considered cutting this section from one of the '63 Chrysller 300 converts in the yard, but after making measurements, they were far too different. I decided to cut the decay out, and make the piece myself. I definitely did not want water draining into the interior afterwards! I measured the arc of the piece I woulld need too fit in as the base of the gutter, and cut one out with a plasma cutter from a sheet of scrap steel. This would then be fitted to the car. ('59SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59SF convertible 005.JPG) ('59SF convertible 006.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59SF convertible 001.JPG (147KB - 323 downloads) '59SF convertible 002.JPG (154KB - 308 downloads) '59SF convertible 004.JPG (153KB - 317 downloads) '59SF convertible 005.JPG (153KB - 312 downloads) '59SF convertible 006.JPG (160KB - 311 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | I made up a mating piece for the side of the drain channel, and welded them together. After dooing this, my repair piece was ready for fitting. I cleaned up the edges, and took a burr to a rust hole to get rid oof any weakened metal, and by then the hole was the size of a fifty cent piece. I made a piece to weld into it, butt welded, and ground it smooth. Next, I placed the curved channel I had made intoo the body, and tacked it in place. Looked too be a good fit, so i welded it completely, and finished it off. ('59SF convertible 007.JPG) ('59SF convertible 008.JPG) ('59SF convertible 009.JPG) ('59SF convertible 011.JPG) ('59SF convertible 013.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59SF convertible 007.JPG (148KB - 308 downloads) '59SF convertible 008.JPG (150KB - 310 downloads) '59SF convertible 009.JPG (153KB - 305 downloads) '59SF convertible 011.JPG (167KB - 467 downloads) '59SF convertible 013.JPG (161KB - 314 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | I wanted to put the swages into the replacement rocker panel drain holes, so afrter measuring and drilling, I made a tool basically consisting of a slide hammer and nut and bolt, and was able to knock a slight swage into the 12 gauge steel. The purpose of this was to not draw dirt up into the rockers when driving on dirt roads and such. ---John ('59SF convertible 015.JPG) ('59SF convertible 016.JPG) ('59SF convertible 017.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59SF convertible 015.JPG (149KB - 311 downloads) '59SF convertible 016.JPG (159KB - 319 downloads) '59SF convertible 017.JPG (152KB - 308 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Amazing work, as always! To what do you ascribe all of the rust out that Rusty endured? Merely driving in a wet salty environment, or being stored in a wet area, continually? In other words, is there any particular pattern to the damage which would tell a story about how 'he' got to be so deteriorated? Any unusual areas of rust out; like, on that drain channel, that you don't usually see in a hulk??? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | Thanks, Neil, This car was left in an abandoned wrecking yard in Upstate New York since about 1965. The trees grew up around the yard, and obscured its contents from view. The wet environment hastened the rust out, as the car slowly sank into the soil. It was sold new in Ithaca, according to Chrysler historical, so it had 'lived' nearby since I got it. All the rust could be attributed to these facts. A good friend of mine discovered this yard, and bought a '49 and '51 Mercury convertible, as well as seven or eight ford woody wagons for his needs, and he shipped this Plymouth out to me to cover a storage bill he owed me. Sadly, he passed away from cancer complications before he could see progress on this car, so I guess you could say I'm doing the work in his honor. ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 2633 Location: Minor Hill, TN | My Fathere told me that Chryler product vehicles back then had rust problems. Good luck with the restoration . How much more you need to do? I hope some year you bring it to the Cars on the Square in Athens, AL . I know they would love to have you come | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | 1961plymouthfury - 2012-12-29 8:58 PM My Fathere told me that Chryler product vehicles back then had rust problems. Good luck with the restoration . How much more you need to do? I hope some year you bring it to the Cars on the Square in Athens, AL . I know they would love to have you come Thanks. I have plenty more to do, although the body itself is almost ready for primer. I have been shrinking some high spots on the body, and re-leading some of the body seams, as well as making the convertible specific mounts. My camera broke, and M'lisa bought me a new one for Christmas, so hopefully I can get the photos small enough to post. ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 2633 Location: Minor Hill, TN | I told my father about your car and were it sold. He told me the car sold brand new at a Erie J Miller Plymouth Chrysler Plymouth at Elmira Rd in Ithaca , NY. The dealership is no longer in business . I heard they got bought out by another dealership in Trumansbug | ||
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Veteran Posts: 116 | JOHN THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST THREADS I HAVE EVER SEEN , YOU HAVE QUITE THE TALLENT IN RESURRECTION !!! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | I jacked up our '59 Desoto convertible to get a look at the special convertible body mounts, and made several measurements. As the floors were from a closed car, the outriggers from the seat brace would need to be removed, as convertibles do not use them. After removing them, the surface for the new mount was cleaned. I fabricated a new mount from the same gauge steel, using the measurements from the Desoto. Next, a 3/8" hole was drilled in the proper spot, and a nut was tack welded to the reverse side. ---John ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 006.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (386KB - 290 downloads) '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (235KB - 301 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (456KB - 293 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (303KB - 305 downloads) '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (257KB - 303 downloads) '59 SF convertible 006.JPG (269KB - 282 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | Next, the new mount was welded in place, and the entire process was repeated for the opposite side. ---John ('59 SF convertible 007.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 008.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 009.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 010.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 011.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 007.JPG (390KB - 281 downloads) '59 SF convertible 008.JPG (417KB - 309 downloads) '59 SF convertible 009.JPG (484KB - 311 downloads) '59 SF convertible 010.JPG (411KB - 298 downloads) '59 SF convertible 011.JPG (261KB - 302 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7806 Location: Williams California | Next was to repair the seam on the deck panel, when the right side was hit, it had buckled the seam, and rusted behind the lead. I melted the old lead out, repaired the metal beneath, and paddled lead into the seam to finish it. I also did a bit more lead work elsewhere on the body, it really didn't need much. ---John ('59 SF convertible 008.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 007.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 008.JPG (319KB - 295 downloads) '59 SF convertible 007.JPG (275KB - 304 downloads) '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (362KB - 290 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (246KB - 297 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (286KB - 292 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (207KB - 319 downloads) '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (257KB - 289 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | You have brought the term "Get the lead out" to a WHOLE NEW MEANING!!! Down here in the South your new name would be "Master John". | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1155 Location: somerville mass | sir - all i have to say is this - from what i saw 3 4 yrs ago this car or what was left was broken in two pieces - you are a genuine master at this trade. thank you for saving a fine example of the forward look. steve | ||
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Member Posts: 9 Location: nor-cal | how about a photo of the car showing the whole thing? You have done soo much in teh details it kinda hard to see a car in the pile of newly fabricated parts! from all the pics and comments I bet you are replacing half of the original steel! a task of huge proportions! congrats! | ||
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Member Posts: 9 Location: nor-cal | how about a photo of the car showing the whole thing? You have done soo much in teh details it kinda hard to see a car in the pile of newly fabricated parts! from all the pics and comments I bet you are replacing half of the original steel! a task of huge proportions! congrats! | ||
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