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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | 1959Dodge - 2010-06-09 5:53 PM Well, add 2 more fans of the 59 Plymouth Sport Fury Convertible fans. Aivar, (He has a black 59 Sport Fury Convertible) I like it too so at least 8 fans. Should you have any questions or need any measurements, I'm sure Aivar would be willing to help! Kent took a lotta measurements from my 59 Dodge Vert, last time He was here but He is making a vert out of a hardtop. Keep up the good work John, and maybe we can get a "Convertible Cruise" planned, in the not too distant future!! Gary This car was also a solid black car with a red interior. Is Aivar's interior red as well? ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8947 Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | i sure like your style Big John---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------later | ||
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Expert Posts: 4034 Location: Connecticut | Awesome job, John ! Looks like a lot more work than my 59 Dodge conv. needed. Can't wait to see pics of the body when it emerges from the tank. Will you have to epoxy prime the body to keep it from re-rusting ? Did the Plymouth convertibles have stronger (12ga.) rockers, sills and inner rockers, like the 59 Dodge did ? I imagined you going into the local grocery store and ordering 100 cases of baking soda. LOL ! Ron | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 755 Location: Big M Automotive's Yard | Usually it was me raiding the Walmart at different times to get all he needed. Kenny, My Hurst Olds (not 442 :}) is next like John said. John put a short block in it when I grenaded the engine in 1990. The overheating got so bad I can olny drive 3-5 blocks and the temp gauge goes beserk! The last show I drove it to it took us 3-3.5 hours to go 35 miles. Ok, back to Toothless the Black Fury (aka Rusty). M'Lisa | ||
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Veteran Posts: 175 Location: The Netherlands | big m - 2010-06-10 11:02 PM This car was also a solid black car with a red interior. Is Aivar's interior red as well? ---John Aivar's interior is red, you can see some pics and a movie clip on the 59 Plymouth website http://59sportfury.net/showcase/SportFury/Lejins/index.html Ron | ||
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Expert Posts: 1812 Location: Slidell La. | Wow John , you are making AMAZING progress , this 59 can ONLY be a keeper , cause NOBODY could afford the price tag , with all the labor you will have in it . Ain t nobody can look at a car again and say its too far gone . | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | After letting the car soak with a mild 5 amps passing through the electrolyte, We suspended three grids in series, on above the trunk floor, and two in the passenger compartment. These were connected together with a heavy gauge copper cable. Now, the electrolyte is allowing 40 amps to pass through. The water continues to get murkier, it's almost black now. This is the last 48 hours the body will be submerged. ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | Here are some photos- ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (157KB - 388 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (150KB - 392 downloads) '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (165KB - 378 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | I drained the bin with a siphon hose to direct the water out of the building and into the gravel. The byproducts of this operation are not hazardous, except if I track rusty crud into the house! It took about ten hours to drain the majority of the water out. The photos show the amount of rust and crud that was released from the body of the car, and remember, it was scraped and blown out with air pressure before submerging it. I used a garden hose to spray the majority of the rust out of the body, but more involved cleaning will be needed. You can actually see some shiny metal in the floors! ---John ('59 SF convertible 006.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 007.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 008.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 009.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 010.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 011.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 012.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 016.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 017.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 018.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 006.JPG (159KB - 398 downloads) '59 SF convertible 007.JPG (163KB - 361 downloads) '59 SF convertible 008.JPG (156KB - 387 downloads) '59 SF convertible 009.JPG (157KB - 383 downloads) '59 SF convertible 010.JPG (153KB - 368 downloads) '59 SF convertible 011.JPG (158KB - 391 downloads) '59 SF convertible 012.JPG (148KB - 390 downloads) '59 SF convertible 016.JPG (159KB - 397 downloads) '59 SF convertible 017.JPG (152KB - 381 downloads) '59 SF convertible 018.JPG (161KB - 383 downloads) | ||
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Inactive by user's request Location: Las Vegas, Nevada | Looks like you're better at this than "Ultra None" was with the Tulsa car. K. | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 530 Location: Wake Forest, NC | That did a terrific job, I wish I had a mater bin. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1060 Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | Looking good John. I guess you know you have left it in to long when you only bring up the windshield surround | ||
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Expert Posts: 3887 Location: Northen Virginia | John thanks for save this car, this type of "rusty" restoration was always reserved to late 60's 6 figures muscles. You actually saved 2 cars!!. keep us posted!!! | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 500 Location: Upper East Tennessee | Wow John! You're my hero! You really took the reverse electrolysis bath to the next level! Wow! 40 amps! You were really cooking man! | ||
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | Don't look behind you now but the DEA is wondering what your making. Great looking project. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | ronbo97 - 2010-06-10 7:35 PM Awesome job, John ! Looks like a lot more work than my 59 Dodge conv. needed. Can't wait to see pics of the body when it emerges from the tank. Will you have to epoxy prime the body to keep it from re-rusting ? Did the Plymouth convertibles have stronger (12ga.) rockers, sills and inner rockers, like the 59 Dodge did ? I imagined you going into the local grocery store and ordering 100 cases of baking soda. LOL ! Ron Ron, I have not been able to ascertain if Plymouth also used the heavier gauge rockers, I have cut several convertibles up in the past, and don't ever remember seeing that, although you have to consider that these cars were complete rustbuckets. If anyone here on the site could chime in here, it would be much appreciated. I'll have a lot of smaller areas to repair yet, so I won't be putting the car in primer until later. I will give the car a light soda or media blast just before that time. ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | I spent Saturday cleaning the loose paint and loosened rust from the body, now I know exactly what areas will need further repairs. It's interesting to see how any loose paint or undercoating fell away during the process, any remaining undercoating scrapes off easily now. ---John ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 006.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 007.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 008.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 009.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (153KB - 388 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (158KB - 381 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (163KB - 396 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (157KB - 371 downloads) '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (148KB - 376 downloads) '59 SF convertible 006.JPG (160KB - 378 downloads) '59 SF convertible 007.JPG (162KB - 389 downloads) '59 SF convertible 008.JPG (165KB - 405 downloads) '59 SF convertible 009.JPG (156KB - 386 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | Here are more photos after wirebrushing the panels. ---John ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 006.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 007.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 008.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (160KB - 373 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (150KB - 391 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (154KB - 374 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (148KB - 373 downloads) '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (163KB - 381 downloads) '59 SF convertible 006.JPG (153KB - 380 downloads) '59 SF convertible 007.JPG (167KB - 478 downloads) '59 SF convertible 008.JPG (158KB - 380 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | big m - 2010-06-14 1:09 PM ronbo97 - 2010-06-10 7:35 PM Awesome job, John ! Looks like a lot more work than my 59 Dodge conv. needed. Can't wait to see pics of the body when it emerges from the tank. Will you have to epoxy prime the body to keep it from re-rusting ? Did the Plymouth convertibles have stronger (12ga.) rockers, sills and inner rockers, like the 59 Dodge did ? I imagined you going into the local grocery store and ordering 100 cases of baking soda. LOL ! Ron Ron, I have not been able to ascertain if Plymouth also used the heavier gauge rockers, I have cut several convertibles up in the past, and don't ever remember seeing that, although you have to consider that these cars were complete rustbuckets. If anyone here on the site could chime in here, it would be much appreciated. I'll have a lot of smaller areas to repair yet, so I won't be putting the car in primer until later. I will give the car a light soda or media blast just before that time. ---John John- Your doing a hell of a job on this car. Keep up the good work. May I add, my 58 Plymouth Convertible has 12 gauge rockers/sill area, while the inners are thinner 18 gauge. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1115 Location: CA | This is probably a stupid question but I don't care. I'm constantly amazed by the skills of some of you guys and it makes me want to know more so I can get to that point eventually. When you dip the car like that and remove all corrosion protection, how do you respray material on the inner panels that are welded together and have very little room? Like the inner doors and rear wheel wells? Nice work! | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | christine-lover - 2010-06-14 5:50 PM big m - 2010-06-14 1:09 PM ronbo97 - 2010-06-10 7:35 PM Awesome job, John ! Looks like a lot more work than my 59 Dodge conv. needed. Can't wait to see pics of the body when it emerges from the tank. Will you have to epoxy prime the body to keep it from re-rusting ? Did the Plymouth convertibles have stronger (12ga.) rockers, sills and inner rockers, like the 59 Dodge did ? I imagined you going into the local grocery store and ordering 100 cases of baking soda. LOL ! Ron Ron, I have not been able to ascertain if Plymouth also used the heavier gauge rockers, I have cut several convertibles up in the past, and don't ever remember seeing that, although you have to consider that these cars were complete rustbuckets. If anyone here on the site could chime in here, it would be much appreciated. I'll have a lot of smaller areas to repair yet, so I won't be putting the car in primer until later. I will give the car a light soda or media blast just before that time. ---John Thanks for the information, Matt. That's a big help. ---John John- Your doing a hell of a job on this car. Keep up the good work. May I add, my 58 Plymouth Convertible has 12 gauge rockers/sill area, while the inners are thinner 18 gauge. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | Finsinthemirror - 2010-06-14 7:26 PM This is probably a stupid question but I don't care. I'm constantly amazed by the skills of some of you guys and it makes me want to know more so I can get to that point eventually. When you dip the car like that and remove all corrosion protection, how do you respray material on the inner panels that are welded together and have very little room? Like the inner doors and rear wheel wells? Nice work! Not a stupid question at all. The reverse electrolysis does not have any lingering chemicals to cause corrosion, unlike most chemical dipping, although sealant and/or metal treatment will need to be applied to these hidden areas. There are long nozzles available to attach to a pressure pot to force the protectants into hidden seams and crevices. This step will be a ways down the road for this car. ---John | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | ...But, at least John doesn't have (yet) any blasting media depositions to try to remove, from the nooks/crannies. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | Next up will be to cut out the weak sections of floor in the car, and find some suitable replacements in the yard to use in their place. ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 1812 Location: Slidell La. | Man , that is a good feeling to walk into your yard and have your pick of what you need , not having to go running all over town . I had that luxury when I was doing my engine swap , I had 2 other old Mopars in my yard that I was able to pick apart for all the little Mopar specific clips , connectors , linkages , you name it . It is a good feeling and a big plus in your favor . Keep pluggin John , we re all tuned in for the next episode , right here on the Bat Channel . | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1107 Location: Arvada, Colorado (NW Denver Metro Area) | Ron, I will check the Rockers on my 59 Belvedere convert, I have the top of the passenger side Rocker open right now as I was about to weld in a new cap to them and then set the replacement floor in place on top of that cap before welding it all up. Will advise if the Plymouth has this convert only re-enforcement. I know my 70 Cuda Convert had extra re-enforcing in the rockers (uni-body car) but didn't even think to really look at how the 59 rocker structure was layed out and supported by other metal parts coming together. Figured the X-frame would give it rigidity. Keep up the good work John! | ||
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Expert Posts: 1295 Location: Nasco , SWEDEN | Great job so far John, keep the up the spirit! Morgan Edited by mogge65 2010-06-22 11:45 AM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | mogge65 - 2010-06-22 8:44 AM Great job so far John, keep the up the spirit! Morgan (O) Thanks, Morgan! ---John | ||
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Expert Posts: 1812 Location: Slidell La. | John, I know your probably going to use original sheetmetal from your yard , but I did notice surfing through RockAuto , they do sell floors and inner and outer rockers . I was really surprised to see the inner rockers , gotta get me some of them . I notice in a lot of instances where the floors are good but are heavily pitted , what does a restorer do in those cases , I m sure you will change them out , but in other instances is it normal to load it up with filler primer and be done with it . Was just wondering what people may do in those circumstances . | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | The heavily pitted and pinholed sections of the floor I will replace. There is a process where zinc is electrically sprayed over the panels, and it will fill holes up to a quarter inch, and can be filed smooth afterwards. Light pitting the filler primer will take care of, as long as the metal is prepped correctly. ---John | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 769 Location: Oley, PA | Fantastic work. Your project is an inspiration! Makes mine look so easy in comparison. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | I removed the majority of the floorboards, as a good part was thin from pinholes and rust. There was quite a buildup of crud hidden beneath, a combination of dirt, sand, and rust residue. ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (157KB - 362 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (158KB - 352 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (150KB - 370 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (151KB - 367 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | Notice one of the body mounts was missing in the photos above? When I cut the floor around it, I found it was no longer attached! Only one tiny tack weld right from the factory. All the other mounts and outriggers were in excellent condition, and cleaned up easily. I will treat these with OverRust before installing the replacement floor section. I did find a few pinholes in the inner rockers, but the surrounding metal was solid, so I'll mig weld them in. Note that the frame is being used as a jig to keep everything in place while doing this. ---John ('59 SF convertible 005.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 006.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 009.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 010.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 011.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 005.JPG (162KB - 352 downloads) '59 SF convertible 006.JPG (153KB - 375 downloads) '59 SF convertible 009.JPG (152KB - 344 downloads) '59 SF convertible 010.JPG (148KB - 357 downloads) '59 SF convertible 011.JPG (148KB - 353 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4034 Location: Connecticut | When I did the floors on my 59 Dodge convertible, I left the 'tunnel' and rockers intact, in addition to using the frame as a jig, to keep things from twisting up. My 'tunnel' was solid without any pinholes, while the floors were a mess and were replaced with rust free ones from Kansas. The rockers, sills and inner rockers were eventually replaced due to rust and damage, but not before the floors were welded in place. Ron | ||
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Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | Everytime I "check in" and see the progress you are making, I think how amazing this project is, how amazing the work you are doing is, and how much I am enjoying this thread. Just thought I'd type it this time around. Keep up the fantastic job !!!! | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 530 Location: Wake Forest, NC | This is the tread I check first when I log in, well done. | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | big m - 2010-06-15 10:09 AM Ron, I have not been able to ascertain if Plymouth also used the heavier gauge rockers, I have cut several convertibles up in the past, and don't ever remember seeing that, although you have to consider that these cars were complete rustbuckets. If anyone here on the site could chime in here, it would be much appreciated. I will give the car a light media blast just before that time. ---John *************************************************************** As far as I know, ALL convertibles got the heavy gauge rockers. While I never cut up a Dodge, I have been able to inspect those from the other marques. About that "media blast" ...... just place a radio near the car and turn on NPR or MSNBC. The liberal media will do plenty of "blasting" about you not just scrapping this hunk of junk and buying a Prius. Honestly John, I am embarrassed and ashamed over this horrific waste. Think of all the ghetto addicts you could help support with government programs if you directed your funds and energy to those most deserving ! What is wrong with you, man ? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-07-08 7:34 AM big m - 2010-06-15 10:09 AM Ron, I have not been able to ascertain if Plymouth also used the heavier gauge rockers, I have cut several convertibles up in the past, and don't ever remember seeing that, although you have to consider that these cars were complete rustbuckets. If anyone here on the site could chime in here, it would be much appreciated. I will give the car a light media blast just before that time. ---John *************************************************************** As far as I know, ALL convertibles got the heavy gauge rockers. While I never cut up a Dodge, I have been able to inspect those from the other marques. About that "media blast" ...... just place a radio near the car and turn on NPR or MSNBC. The liberal media will do plenty of "blasting" about you not just scrapping this hunk of junk and buying a Prius. Honestly John, I am embarrassed and ashamed over this horrific waste. Think of all the ghetto addicts you could help support with government programs if you directed your funds and energy to those most deserving ! What is wrong with you, man ? Brent, you do have a great sense of humor! LOL! ---John | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | If I didn't laugh at the stuff I have to deal with, I'd end up killing people ! | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 369 Location: buchanan,Ga. | Golly Big M,I thought I had body work to do...but your really doing it do it!!! Way to go looking darn good!!! Keep posting those photos. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | Thanks, Teffany, and it's good to see you back on your own car! ---John | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | I cut the floors from a '59 Chrysler out in the yard, scraped the undercoating from the surface, and drilled the spotwelds out to remove the rockers and underpinnings from the floor stamping. In the process, I found several areas that will need repair due to alkali being packed between the mounts and floor. ---John ('59 SF convertible 001.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 002.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 003.JPG) ('59 SF convertible 004.JPG) Attachments ---------------- '59 SF convertible 001.JPG (147KB - 343 downloads) '59 SF convertible 002.JPG (151KB - 343 downloads) '59 SF convertible 003.JPG (162KB - 370 downloads) '59 SF convertible 004.JPG (161KB - 369 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4034 Location: Connecticut | Hmmm...aren't 59 Chrysler floors different from 59 Plymouth, longer and wider with different stampings ? Ron | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | Ron, the width is exactly the same, at 63 1/2", The front floors are identical stampings, although, the rears are longer with different stampings. The floors past the door jambs are in good condition in the Plymouth, so I will not be needing those areas. ---John | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | An interesting point of reference is how shallow the seat troughs are on the 59 floor pans, compared to the 57-58 boys. | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 530 Location: Wake Forest, NC | It's nice to see a 59 floor that is solid. What kind of spot weld drill do you use its getting a heck of a workout. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1060 Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | John that is one helluva job. Looks great!!!! | ||
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Veteran Posts: 195 Location: New Philadelphia, Ohio | You've got a bigger set than I do John! I can't believe the progress you've made with this machine! Plus all the work your putting into building the car...Astounding. Can't wait to see her finished! Ripper | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | Fins/413 - 2010-07-17 3:55 AM It's nice to see a 59 floor that is solid. What kind of spot weld drill do you use its getting a heck of a workout. Some of these were done with a simple 7/16" drill bit, while others I used a carbide burr in a high speed drill motor. ---John | ||
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