The Forward Look Network | ||
| ||
Rarest FL Cars by Model and Body Style Jump to page : 1 2 3 4 5 6 Now viewing page 1 [50 messages per page] | View previous thread :: View next thread |
Forward Look NON-Technical Discussions -> 1955-1961 Forward Look MoPar General Discussion | Message format |
Lancer Mike |
| ||
Location: The Mile High City | Question - what are the rarest Forward Look cars strictly based on model and body style? This eliminates all the baby-blue this with a D-500 and a three-speed manual that, etc. Let's also kick out all of the Ghia limousines (we all know they are rare). 58 Windsor convertible (2) 58 Adventurer convertible (82) 59 Adventurer convertible (97) 59 300E convertible (140) 58 300D convertible (191) 59 New Yorker convertible (286) 58 Fireflite Shopper (318) 58 Adventurer coupe (350) 58 Town & Country 9p wagon (428) 59 Town & Country 6p wagon (444) 58 Fireflite convertible (474) 57 300C convertible (484) 58 LeBaron sedan (501) 58 Firedome convertible (519) 58 LeBaron South Hampton (538) 59 300E coupe (550) 59 Town & Country 9p wagon (564) 58 Fireflite Explorer (609) 58 300D coupe (618) 58 New Yorker convertible (666) I must be missing a bunch in here. Are there any low-production '55s, '56s, '60s, '61s that fit in this group? I know there are probably a bunch of '58s and '59s because those were such poor selling years. Edited by Lancer Mike 2010-10-30 12:23 AM | ||
61forfun |
| ||
Extreme Veteran Posts: 466 Location: Vancouver, Washington | here's a rare one. If anyone finds one...I'll buy it ( : (1956_chrysler_norseman_concept_100011476_l.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1956_chrysler_norseman_concept_100011476_l.jpg (110KB - 357 downloads) | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
| ||
Location: Parts Unknown | Methinks he's talking about production cars, ..... although weren't the two 58 Windsors at the top of the list non-production mock-ups ? If memory serves, the rarest production DeSoto ever built was the 1942 5th Avenue convertible with a production number of 5. I believe one is know to survive. It lived in Seattle last I heard. But then again, this one isn't Forward Look. | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
| ||
Location: Parts Unknown | Yeah, .... the 58 Windsor ragtop doesn't count. You could not go into a dealer and buy this car. So, no lottery-odds option combos, no one-off show cars, Ghias, or mock-ups. Just straight production cars that anyone could walk into a dealer and buy. Revised List: 58 Adventurer convertible (82) 59 Adventurer convertible (97) 59 300E convertible (140) 58 300D convertible (191) 59 New Yorker convertible (286) 58 Fireflite Shopper (318) 58 Adventurer coupe (350) 58 Town & Country 9p wagon (428) 59 Town & Country 6p wagon (444) 58 Fireflite convertible (474) 57 300C convertible (484) 58 LeBaron sedan (501) 58 Firedome convertible (519) 58 LeBaron South Hampton (538) 59 300E coupe (550) 59 Town & Country 9p wagon (564) 58 Fireflite Explorer (609) 58 300D coupe (618) 58 New Yorker convertible (666) It would be interesting to do a comprehensive search to see how many of each survive and tabulate the percentage ratios of known survivors for a secondary rarity study. Although few 300c convertibles were built, I see them probably more than any other 57 Chrysler ragtop today. | ||
Windsor59 |
| ||
Expert Posts: 2596 Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-10-30 1:34 AM It would be interesting to do a comprehensive search to see how many of each survive and tabulate the percentage ratios of known survivors for a secondary rarity study. Although few 300c convertibles were built, I see them probably more than any other 57 Chrysler ragtop today. Intresant topic Chrysler Windsor 1959 conv I know left Total: 8 off 961 built 3 in Sweden (two running and one poject) 5 in US (4 running and one projekt with no top frame...) Since I bought mine, I have been looking and asking for 12 years after Windsor and found a total of eight Windsor conv of different shape. They seem to be scrapped or removed the body released for 300 cars. Sure, they may be more, but I wish more facts from those who know more Are there more people who have an eye on their model, how many you know who is left? Edited by Windsor59 2010-10-30 3:09 AM | ||
antonellomopar |
| ||
Extreme Veteran Posts: 375 Location: milano, italy | 337 Chrysler 300 G convertibles built in 61 | ||
christine-lover |
| ||
Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | 1960 Chrysler New Yorker Convertible (556) 1960 Chrysler 300F Convertible (248) 1961 Chrysler New Yorker Convertible (Cannot find # but I bet it's low, anybody?) | ||
Swept57 |
| ||
Expert Posts: 1622 Location: Seville, OH | Dodge D-501s were available at the dealer. ~102 produced. | ||
roadkillontheweb |
| ||
Expert Posts: 1357 Location: Iowa USA | 1957 Adventurer converts 300 | ||
roadkillontheweb |
| ||
Expert Posts: 1357 Location: Iowa USA | No production numbers known on this export only model 1958 Desoto Diplomat ragtop | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
| ||
Location: Parts Unknown | Philosophical Question No.29 At what point does a car become a DeSoto ? | ||
spider89119 |
| ||
Extreme Veteran Posts: 475 Location: Las Vegas, NV | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-10-30 10:52 AM Philosophical Question No.29 At what point does a car become a DeSoto ? The second the Plymouth factory slaps that nameplate on it. | ||
spider89119 |
| ||
Extreme Veteran Posts: 475 Location: Las Vegas, NV | What I am most curious to find out is how many of each of the forward look cars are currently registered with a DMV. Is there any way to get that info? | ||
dukeboy |
| ||
Expert 5K+ Posts: 6203 Location: Big pimpin' | 1957 Plymouth, 2dr, hd top, with 4 miles on it....(Miss Belvedere) | ||
roadkillontheweb |
| ||
Expert Posts: 1357 Location: Iowa USA | spider89119 - 2010-10-30 1:01 PM Doctor DeSoto - 2010-10-30 10:52 AM Philosophical Question No.29 At what point does a car become a DeSoto ? The second the Plymouth factory slaps that nameplate on it. :) Does that include trucks too? Probably only one or two made none know to survive yet. Does anyone have a count on Dodge sweptside trucks that had forward look styling or the even more rare Fargo sweptside that at least one is still alive Edited by roadkillontheweb 2010-10-30 2:31 PM | ||
spider89119 |
| ||
Extreme Veteran Posts: 475 Location: Las Vegas, NV | christine-lover - 2010-10-30 5:27 AM 1961 Chrysler New Yorker Convertible (Cannot find # but I bet it's low, anybody?) 576 Edited by spider89119 2010-10-30 2:29 PM | ||
1960DesotoAdventurer |
| ||
Expert Posts: 3588 Location: Plymouth Spaceport | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-10-30 1:52 PM Philosophical Question No.29 At what point does a car become a DeSoto ? Philosophical Question No.30 What is the sound of two fins clapping? | ||
spider89119 |
| ||
Extreme Veteran Posts: 475 Location: Las Vegas, NV | 1960DesotoAdventurer - 2010-10-30 11:30 AM Doctor DeSoto - 2010-10-30 1:52 PM Philosophical Question No.29 At what point does a car become a DeSoto ? Philosophical Question No.30 What is the sound of two fins clapping? :) Why that's simply going through the crusher sideways. | ||
roadkillontheweb |
| ||
Expert Posts: 1357 Location: Iowa USA | 1960DesotoAdventurer - 2010-10-30 1:30 PM Doctor DeSoto - 2010-10-30 1:52 PM Philosophical Question No.29 At what point does a car become a DeSoto ? Philosophical Question No.30 What is the sound of two fins clapping? :) Sounds like a Florida rust job were they rust from the top down | ||
roadkillontheweb |
| ||
Expert Posts: 1357 Location: Iowa USA | Do they have to be full scale cars? | ||
d500neil |
| ||
Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | 1956 D500-1 race cars--factory production vehicles : way less than 100 ; probably 25. | ||
1960DesotoAdventurer |
| ||
Expert Posts: 3588 Location: Plymouth Spaceport | the rarest Forward Look car is the one with no rust! | ||
Windsor59 |
| ||
Expert Posts: 2596 Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | roadkillontheweb - 2010-10-30 1:28 PM No production numbers known on this export only model 1958 Desoto Diplomat ragtop Hi Lee Exline Yes it is many rare export modell ho is very rare. | ||
StillOutThere |
| ||
Location: Under the X in Texas | The Crown Imperial limousines bodied by Ghia: 1957 36 1958 31 1959 7 1960 16 1961 9 1962 0 1963 10 1964 10 1965 10 | ||
StillOutThere |
| ||
Location: Under the X in Texas | Yeah, I know you kicked out the Ghia limos. I am not sure why when you are asking for RARE so I just thought it was fair to show their production numbers. | ||
Ex-finlover |
| ||
Veteran Posts: 205 Location: Delray Beach, FL | Let's not forget 1961 Imperial convertibles: 429 | ||
bad58mike |
| ||
Elite Veteran Posts: 1150 Location: Southern California | all of em' | ||
B/G 61 |
| ||
Expert Posts: 2612 Location: Parts Unknown | spider89119 - 2010-10-30 2:07 PM What I am most curious to find out is how many of each of the forward look cars are currently registered with a DMV. Is there any way to get that info? I don't know, but that would be cool if there was a way - I'd love to know . . . | ||
Lancer Mike |
| ||
Location: The Mile High City | I am reluctant to knock the 58 Windsor convertible out - Dodge made a "mock-up" of the '59 Regal Lancer, but you never see that in 1959 Dodge production figures! Every account of 1958 Chrysler production numbers I have seen lists those two Windsors. Good point: John Q could not walk into a dealer and buy one, but something is different about them from a true mock-up one-of-a-kind! I didn't throw in the 501s or the dash ones because that opens the door for the pont-a-mousson 300Fs, the '58 EFIs, and the slope gets slipperier from there. I appreciate the production list for Ghias (they are true rarities). There must be some more rare wagons or some rare '56s or '55s in there? 58 Windsor convertible (2) 58 Adventurer convertible (82) 59 Adventurer convertible (97) 59 300E convertible (140) 58 300D convertible (191) 60 300F convertible (248) 59 New Yorker convertible (286) 57 Adventurer convertible (300) 58 Fireflite Shopper (318) 61 300G convertible (337) 58 Adventurer coupe (350) 58 Town & Country 9p wagon (428) 59 Town & Country 6p wagon (444) 58 Fireflite convertible (474) 57 300C convertible (484) 58 LeBaron sedan (501) 58 Firedome convertible (519) 58 LeBaron South Hampton (538) 59 300E coupe (550) 60 New Yorker convertible (556) 59 Town & Country 9p wagon (564) 61 New Yorker convertible (576) 58 Fireflite Explorer (609) 58 300D coupe (618) 58 New Yorker convertible (666) | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
| ||
Location: Parts Unknown | If John Q. Public could not go down and buy a particular car, then what's the point ? I consider Forward Look cars to be "genuine" based on their largest market - the U.S., and all other stuff falls "special notations" ..... like Canadian models, export models, mock-ups and show cars, race cars, etc., etc. I can't think of a better word for them than "genuine" at the moment, and that seems totally wrong as well. Maybe "basic" or "general" is a better term ???? The point being, Mother Mopar kicked out the vast majority of her product under the guise of so many makes and models, and then there is all that SPECIAL stuff that just doesn't fit into that basic lot. Spelled out another way, U.S. market cars are the basic stuff, everything else is special. So, ... amongst the common "everyday" cars that any Joe Blow could buy, which ones sold in the smallest numbers ? Edited by Doctor DeSoto 2010-10-31 7:00 AM | ||
roadkillontheweb |
| ||
Expert Posts: 1357 Location: Iowa USA | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-10-31 2:21 AM If John Q. Public could not go down and buy a particular car, then what's the point ? bas***d children of the mother are still Children of MA MoPar. I suppose a lot depends on where John Q. Public lived? And how much money he had in his pockets. If you walked into your local dealership in 1958 and wanted a Ghia Limo and had the money believe me, no matter how small the dealership was you would get it. You are viewing it from the aspect of an American but Chrysler was an international company since the 20s along with the Desoto dealership listing I have been tracking some international dealer locations. If John lived in these locations the cars may have looked different or just wore different nameplates than what you saw at your dealership but it was the reality for that buyer. Heck sometimes the steering wheel was on the other side of the car but this did not make it any less a Chrysler, Desoto, Dodge or Plymouth. The world is a much smaller place now and we can not just pretend that the rest of the world does not exist nor did it not exist when Virgil Exner was making cars for this and other markets. Here is a partial list of overseas dealerships I have gathered from my Chrysler export magazines. London, England Paris, France Guayaquil, Ecuador Montevidio, Uruguay Copenhagen, Denmark Tripoli, Libya Tokyo, Japan Mozambique, Africa Uganda, Africa Brussels, Belgium Havana, Cuba San Juan, Puerto Rico Rio De Janeiro, Brazil Haiti Bogota, Columbia Pasay City, Philippines Djakarta, Indonesia Morocco, Africa Vienna, Austria Glasgow, Scotland Lima, Peru Paraguay Nykoping, Sweden Saigon, Indo-China Dominican Republic Netherlands Antilles Ensamblaje and Caracas, Venezuela Honolulu Hawaii (not a state till 59) Hong Kong Panama City, Panama Belgrade, Yugoslavia Rotterdam, Holland Guatemala Korea Mexico All over Australia (010.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 010.jpg (280KB - 302 downloads) | ||
dukeboy |
| ||
Expert 5K+ Posts: 6203 Location: Big pimpin' | WTF Doc.? Um, thta is what we are talking bout here......Hello? The reason they are "special" is because they are "rare"....One can't be without the other... | ||
toddst |
| ||
Elite Veteran Posts: 726 Location: Some Island called Prince Edward | I would assume any Plodge ragtop would be pretty rare. | ||
roadkillontheweb |
| ||
Expert Posts: 1357 Location: Iowa USA | toddst - 2010-10-31 10:00 AM I would assume any Plodge ragtop would be pretty rare. Plysotos and Dosotos also The 1960-64 Desoto diplomats were Dodge based instead of Plymouth Edited by roadkillontheweb 2010-10-31 12:26 PM (soto60_2.gif) Attachments ---------------- soto60_2.gif (63KB - 331 downloads) | ||
StillOutThere |
| ||
Location: Under the X in Texas | So why is ANY year / make / model / body style RARE from new? Many different reasons. The corporation pulled the offering before the public could even order them (Chrysler 300F Special Gran Turismo) They were offered to the public and the public did not like what they saw and didn't buy Management decided to limit the number available (DeSoto Adventurers most years) The retail price was TOO HIGH and unaffordable by all but a few. The retail price was SO LOW people thought the car wasn't any good. The combination of body style and trim line wasn't practical. Etc. etc. etc. Mostly, my general opinion of why anything is rare is that NO ONE WANTED IT WHEN IT WAS AVAILABLE NEW. Certainly the manufacturer would have been more than happy to make several hundred thousand more just like it if people would have bought the first ones. | ||
spider89119 |
| ||
Extreme Veteran Posts: 475 Location: Las Vegas, NV | StillOutThere - 2010-10-31 9:32 AM So why is ANY year / make / model / body style RARE from new? Many different reasons. Mostly, my general opinion of why anything is rare is that NO ONE WANTED IT WHEN IT WAS AVAILABLE NEW. Certainly the manufacturer would have been more than happy to make several hundred thousand more just like it if people would have bought the first ones. There are also cars that were plentiful when new, but are rare now because they fell out of fashion for a long time and were allowed to rot away or were sent to the crusher. When I think about rarity, I think about how many cars are out there now, not necessarily the production numbers. Edited by spider89119 2010-10-31 1:12 PM | ||
1960DesotoAdventurer |
| ||
Expert Posts: 3588 Location: Plymouth Spaceport | spider89119 - 2010-10-31 1:09 PM StillOutThere - 2010-10-31 9:32 AM So why is ANY year / make / model / body style RARE from new? Many different reasons. Mostly, my general opinion of why anything is rare is that NO ONE WANTED IT WHEN IT WAS AVAILABLE NEW. Certainly the manufacturer would have been more than happy to make several hundred thousand more just like it if people would have bought the first ones. There are also cars that were plentiful when new, but are rare now because they fell out of fashion for a long time and were allowed to rot away or were sent to the crusher. When I think about rarity, I think about how many cars are out there now, not necessarily the production numbers. You just described all of our cars! | ||
1960DesotoAdventurer |
| ||
Expert Posts: 3588 Location: Plymouth Spaceport | How about the 3 special order 1958 Plymouth Fury convertibles that were illegedly built? Ricky Nelson owned one. Of course MoparMel has add a few to those numbers since then. | ||
christine-lover |
| ||
Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | Didn't they make 2 60 Dodge Matador 2 Door Sedans? I thought I remember reading about them, but when I searched today I could find nothing. | ||
spider89119 |
| ||
Extreme Veteran Posts: 475 Location: Las Vegas, NV | 1960DesotoAdventurer - 2010-10-31 11:00 AM spider89119 - 2010-10-31 1:09 PM StillOutThere - 2010-10-31 9:32 AM So why is ANY year / make / model / body style RARE from new? Many different reasons. Mostly, my general opinion of why anything is rare is that NO ONE WANTED IT WHEN IT WAS AVAILABLE NEW. Certainly the manufacturer would have been more than happy to make several hundred thousand more just like it if people would have bought the first ones. There are also cars that were plentiful when new, but are rare now because they fell out of fashion for a long time and were allowed to rot away or were sent to the crusher. When I think about rarity, I think about how many cars are out there now, not necessarily the production numbers. You just described all of our cars! Yes that's definitely true, but to varying degrees. For example, I would guess that there are fewer US 61 Windsor 2-door hardtops still around than there are 61 300G's, even though there were more than twice as many of the 2-door HT US Windsors produced. | ||
1960DesotoAdventurer |
| ||
Expert Posts: 3588 Location: Plymouth Spaceport | I wonder how many 1960 DeSoto Adventurer 2 dr hardtops survived? You don't see them come up for sale too often. | ||
Tuxedo |
| ||
Elite Veteran Posts: 632 Location: Belford, NJ | Agreed with Christine Lover.... supposedly there were 2 Dodge Matador / Polara 2 door sedans made. There used to be a small picture of one of them on a site somewhere but I too can't locate it. | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
| ||
Location: Parts Unknown | Of 474 1958 Fireflite convertibles built, I can account for six still surviving, four being in Sweden today. There are bound to be a few more hiding away, but given that there might be 2-3 left in car guys' hands in the U.S., a guy will have to do a lot of car shows before he ever sees one. | ||
slimwhitman |
| ||
Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | Somewhat related..... I had created a database nearly all the cars sold in the forwardlook years (all makes & models). I added production totals so you could compare popularity. These are not broken down all the way to body style, but is relevant nonetheless. You can also see how unloved some models were as they aged by how they declined in value compared to similar cars by other brands. To go directly to the spreadsheet, click on the links in the first post. http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=18368&... Edited by slimwhitman 2010-11-01 1:25 PM | ||
1960DesotoAdventurer |
| ||
Expert Posts: 3588 Location: Plymouth Spaceport | wow! Great link,you sure put effort into compiling this data. It's still hard to believe there was a time when nobody wanted a 1957-1961 Forward Look car. Interesting that a convertible would only be valued at $35 more than a two door coupe. | ||
slimwhitman |
| ||
Elite Veteran Posts: 988 Location: Kansas City, Kansas | 1960DesotoAdventurer - 2010-11-01 1:26 PM Interesting that a convertible would only be valued at $35 more than a two door coupe. ...and less than a wagon. | ||
1960DesotoAdventurer |
| ||
Expert Posts: 3588 Location: Plymouth Spaceport | slimwhitman - 2010-11-01 2:42 PM 1960DesotoAdventurer - 2010-11-01 1:26 PM Interesting that a convertible would only be valued at $35 more than a two door coupe. ...and less than a wagon. My,how times have changed! | ||
Windsor59 |
| ||
Expert Posts: 2596 Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Are there no more than Doctor DeSoto and I have an idea of how many are left to their own model? OK, you who owns a Chrysler 300 has a good record of all that has survived and been scrapped. Would like to ask if anyone has a card, photo, on a Windsor 59 conv from the year 59 or 60's. Have not found or seen anything. Would be nice to see. (Have just advertising image with windsor New Yorker 300E conv Together) Have just seen a Windsor 59 convertible in a movie The Gazebo of 1959 with Glenn Ford in the lead role | ||
crvsir |
| ||
Elite Veteran Posts: 967 Location: Canada | Windsor59 - 2010-11-01 6:18 PM Are there no more than Doctor DeSoto and I have an idea of how many are left to their own model? OK, you who owns a Chrysler 300 has a good record of all that has survived and been scrapped. Would like to ask if anyone has a card, photo, on a Windsor 59 conv from the year 59 or 60's. Have not found or seen anything. Would be nice to see. (Have just advertising image with windsor New Yorker 300E conv Together) Have just seen a Windsor 59 convertible in a movie The Gazebo of 1959 with Glenn Ford in the lead role I know the feeling, although not near as rare I have a 59 New Yorker 2 door hardtop. Not much info around on these. Mines Dusty Rose Poly, I can't think they made alot in this colour.... | ||
jtw |
| ||
New User Posts: 3 | does any one know how many 1960 desoto diplomat deluxes were made?? | ||
Jump to page : 1 2 3 4 5 6 Now viewing page 1 [50 messages per page] |
Search this forum Printer friendly version E-mail a link to this thread |
(Delete all cookies set by this site) | |