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Posted 2010-12-06 11:36 PM (#252240 - in reply to #247699)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-10-30 9:18 PM

I am reluctant to knock the 58 Windsor convertible out - Dodge made a "mock-up" of the '59 Regal Lancer, but you never see that in 1959 Dodge production figures! Every account of 1958 Chrysler production numbers I have seen lists those two Windsors. Good point: John Q could not walk into a dealer and buy one, but something is different about them from a true mock-up one-of-a-kind! I didn't throw in the 501s or the dash ones because that opens the door for the pont-a-mousson 300Fs, the '58 EFIs, and the slope gets slipperier from there. I appreciate the production list for Ghias (they are true rarities). There must be some more rare wagons or some rare '56s or '55s in there?

58 Windsor convertible (2)
58 Adventurer convertible (82)
59 Adventurer convertible (97)
59 300E convertible (140)
58 300D convertible (191)
60 300F convertible (248)
59 New Yorker convertible (286)
57 Adventurer convertible (300)
58 Fireflite Shopper (318)
61 300G convertible (337)
58 Adventurer coupe (350)
58 Town & Country 9p wagon (428)
59 Town & Country 6p wagon (444)
58 Fireflite convertible (474)
57 300C convertible (484)
58 LeBaron sedan (501)
58 Firedome convertible (519)
58 LeBaron South Hampton (538)
59 300E coupe (550)
60 New Yorker convertible (556)
59 Town & Country 9p wagon (564)
61 New Yorker convertible (576)
58 Fireflite Explorer (609)
58 300D coupe (618)
58 New Yorker convertible (666)


Mike, of course I could not walk into a dealership and buy one since I was born in 55 I would be way to young.....errrr you mean John Q. "Public" never mind then.....

I think my 59 Plymouth Belvedere convertibles had over 3000 to 3500 made so that was a huge volume of converts. Low trim level, but was popular for the masses!

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-12-07 1:09 AM (#252249 - in reply to #252225)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-12-07 7:27 PM

Well, Doc - if anyone in the wide world of sports owns either a 58 Windsor convertible or a 60 Matador club sedan and that car is properly coded as authentic from the factory (which it certainly could be), they own the legitimate Mother of all forward look rarities and deserve all the kudos they get! I say we keep 'em. I wouldn't call them one-of-a-kinds or mock-ups because they are listed by Ma MoPar herself in the total production figures for Chrysler and Dodge.


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I would reserve such a discovery (and appropriate credit) when those cars are indeed discovered. Until then, they are just like all the other show cars and mock-ups that no one has ever seen or heard of. We only see a statistic. Has anyone ever seen one on the street since those records were made ?

It all sounds great, but I think we are likely chasing ghosts, and it not, then they are VERY unique NON-production cars.
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Posted 2010-12-07 2:23 AM (#252258 - in reply to #252181)
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roadkillontheweb - 2010-12-06 7:36 PM

When foreign production models are in the picture it becomes very fuzzy.
Plymouth bodies with Desoto and Dodge trim and Dodge bodies with Desoto trim. Convertibles and station wagons offered in the Desoto line in 1960 and 61 when no such creature was marketed here in the states etc.

Granted many people would not even like to recognize them since they do not look like what the American production market saw. If the factory (here or there) put the name on when it was new then that is what it is even if it looks different. Some of them we may never know how many were produced?

In Australia the AP3 series had 1959 Desoto style rear quarters but was still being produced in 1962 with a 1954 era Plymouth cabin. In South Africa you could get a Desoto car in 1963! It's a mess, but every single one of those oddballs or bas***d children of Chrysler corporation is still a part of the family history.


The export Diplomat and Kingsway models were American as they were built in Detroit (or Windsor). Models assembled in Great Britain, Belgium, Switzerland, South Africa, etc. used CKD units from Detroit with American serial numbers. The Canadian plant shipped to Australia, New Zealand and other Commonwealth nations.

The South Africa "DeSotos" were Dodge models imported from Detroit and rebadged. Their production numbers are included in American Dodge figures.

The Australian situation was a little different in that they used imported chassis before 1957 and had bodies built locally. The imported chassis were included in American or Canadian production numbers and, again, had U.S. or Canadian serial numbers. The Chrysler Royal of Australia was the first Chrysler Corporation car built outside of Canada and the U.S. not based on a car being built in Detroit or Windsor. Chassis and bodies were built in Australia with engines from either Windsor or Kew (Britain).

Not many know that Dodge Kingsway and DeSoto Diplomat models were sold in Hawaii prior to 1959, when Hawaii, the American territory, became Hawaii, the American state. It was considered an export market by American firms.

All 1960-61 DeSoto Diplomat production figures were included with Dodge Dart figures while earlier models are included with Plymouth. American-built
1951-59 Dodge Kingsway production figures are included with Plymouth while 1935 to 1950 models had their own model numbers and were counted separately.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-12-07 4:54 PM (#252332 - in reply to #252238)
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Jessica - 2010-12-06 9:24 PM

I would certainly give the Coronado more credit than being just a fancy trim level. The car was given it's very own body # to be stamped on the data plates.


Jessica, if it is true that they had their own body number, then they definitely deserve to be on the list (assuming total production is under well under 1,000). If 58 Regals were rarer, I would certainly put them on the list and they only had a PNT identifier on the cowl tag!

Someone wrote that AllPar has a estimate on 55 Coronados, but I didn't put it in the revised list because the number was estimated. You might want to contact AllPar so you are not reinventing the wheel.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-12-07 10:09 PM (#252381 - in reply to #252332)
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Didn't Butler or one of the other oldtime book authors quote a production figure for Coronados ?

My brain is fading .......
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Chrycoman
Posted 2010-12-07 11:25 PM (#252386 - in reply to #250979)
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jtw - 2010-11-26 11:10 PM

does any one know how many 1960 desoto diplomat deluxes were made??


Production figures for the Dart-based 1960-61 Diplomat are not known. The production figures we have for 1930-1977 Plymouths and 1957-59 Diplomats was due to the work of the late Don Butler. He also dug up the production figures for the 1930-1961 DeSotos and 1930-1955 Dodges, as published by a number of authors. Contrary to public belief, Chrysler Corporation at no time released production breakdowns to the public. All that we know today has been the result of the research of people like Don Butler. (And it is breakdown and not breakout. Only prisoners and pimples breakout.)

And that is why The Dodge Story has production figures up to 1955. That is as far as Don Butler got when the book went to the publishers.

Still, would like to get my hands on a copy of an internal publication in 1962 giving production figures by body style for U.S. and Canada. No idea how far back it goes. We have seen parts of it on this forum giving production figures for 1957-58 DeSotos and 1957-60 Dodges.


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Jessica
Posted 2010-12-07 11:44 PM (#252387 - in reply to #247573)
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Mike, I was the person who mentioned the production estimate on allpar. I was wrong in that, however. Allpar does not list a production estimate (at least on the Coronado page I just pulled up). I had tried to recall where I saw it listed online. An estimated production number was mentioned on the HowStuffWorks, site, however... 500. I am trying to remember where I had read the number "478". It may have been in discussion here on this forum back when I was originally contemplating the purchase of the vehicle (over a year and a half ago).

I am able to attach some information regarding the body # tag, though. Here, you will see some division paperwork sent to the dealer regarding the arrival of the Coronado. This bulletin is dated for Feb 14, 1955. I've also attached a copy of my CHS IBM card info printed off to reveal the body # indicated on the build sheet.

I have contacted the lady who helped me obtain my IBM card at CHS via email. I am still awaiting a reply to see if she might be able to help me or point me in the right direction. Hopefully she is still employed there!

Also, here is the link for the HowStuffWorks site:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1955-desoto-fireflite-coronado.htm

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-12-08 12:15 AM (#252394 - in reply to #252240)
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This one CLEARLY belongs on the list if some of these others are included !

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=33948&...
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Jessica
Posted 2010-12-08 12:51 PM (#252465 - in reply to #247573)
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I heard back from Danielle at CHS today. Here is what she had to say:

Hello Jessica,


Unfortunately, our production figures are only broken down by body style. The only figures I could give you for the 1955 DeSoto FireFlite is:


Special Club Coupe – 10,214

6 Passenger Convertible Coupe – 756

4 Door Sedan – 26,195

The figures are not broken down any further than that and nothing more exists within the company. I am sorry I could not assist you further with your request. If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thank you.


I am unsure if the public has access to their microfilm files (I replied asking.. long shot, but worth asking). It would take a few days of scrolling through microfilm and 26K cars to perform a manual count. It could be done (pending they have record of all 55 4 door sedan IBM cards), though.

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Danielle responded quickly to my reply this afternoon. Their archives are closed to the public. She has also told me that they are "understaffed, and would not be sure when they could take on something of that nature". Maybe I could recruit Jay Leno to help since he has a Coronado. Perhaps they would be more willing to take a peek!

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-12-08 3:02 PM (#252476 - in reply to #252465)
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Well, that bit of correspondence gives us a new end to the list:

60 Matador club sedan (2)
58 Windsor convertible (2)
58 Adventurer convertible (82)
59 Adventurer convertible (97)
59 300E convertible (140)
58 300D convertible (191)
60 300F convertible (248)
59 New Yorker convertible (286)
57 Adventurer convertible (300)
58 Fireflite Shopper (318)
61 300G convertible (337)
58 Adventurer coupe (350)
58 Town & Country 9p wagon (428)
59 Town & Country 6p wagon (444)
58 Fireflite convertible (474)
57 300C convertible (484)
58 LeBaron sedan (501)
61 Polara convertible (512)
58 Firedome convertible (519)
58 LeBaron Southampton (538)
59 300E coupe (550)
60 New Yorker convertible (556)
59 Town & Country 9p wagon (564)
61 New Yorker convertible (576)
58 Fireflite Explorer (609)
58 300D coupe (618)
58 New Yorker convertible (666)
55 Fireflite convertible (756)

Good idea about Jay Leno - he can send about 15 Tonight Show staffers to pour through the files! We would know the answer in about two days!
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-12-08 3:22 PM (#252478 - in reply to #252476)
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Oh and Doc, among the roughly 183,285,009 inhabitants of the United States in 1958 - the availibility of owning anything between a 58 Matador club sedan or a 1959 Chrysler 300E convertible was exactly the same: less than one in a million! Maybe we should throw 'em all off the list as sideshow freaks, and pretend they didn't exist!

In fact, in the 60's a manufacturer had to make at least 500 units to even be considered a production car that could race. By that definition, everything above a 58 LeBaron sedan is a one-of-a-kind concept knock-off!

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2010-12-08 9:59 PM (#252517 - in reply to #252478)
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OK, .... I'll bite. What do records show ever happened to these 60 Matadors and 58 Windsors ?
Were they sold to the public ? Where did they sell ? Did they ever actually turn a wheel on the
American road ? Did they go to Switzerland as knock-downs ? Were they just accounting errors
and never really built ? Do photographs exist of them ?

I guess my criteria for being a real car to qualify as a "rare" car is that any Joe Blow could have
walked in and driven one off the lot. Everything else falls into "special status" and is that whole
apples / oranges deal.
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Chrycoman
Posted 2010-12-09 1:07 AM (#252536 - in reply to #252517)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-12-08 9:59 PM

OK, .... I'll bite. What do records show ever happened to these 60 Matadors and 58 Windsors ?
Were they sold to the public ? Where did they sell ? Did they ever actually turn a wheel on the
American road ? Did they go to Switzerland as knock-downs ? Were they just accounting errors
and never really built ? Do photographs exist of them ?

I guess my criteria for being a real car to qualify as a "rare" car is that any Joe Blow could have
walked in and driven one off the lot. Everything else falls into "special status" and is that whole
apples / oranges deal.


Not sure about the Windsor convertibles, but the 1960 Matador 2-door sedans were supposedly built for some police department. By rights, as these were not production vehicles but specially built vehicles, they really should not be on a list of the rare production vehicles. These were not on the list of vehicles offered to the public, no one could have the local Mopar dealer order one, no photos of them have come to light, and until the production by body style lists were compiled, no one knew they existed. They appear on these lists as they had the same model numbers along with serial numbers within the same sequences as the other vehicles on the list and not some special number.

Attached is another one-off, undoubtedly done before the styling was finalized. Or one of the company's air brush experts.




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Posted 2010-12-09 4:11 AM (#252540 - in reply to #252536)
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Perzackly !

Thanks, Bill.
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horace
Posted 2010-12-09 3:12 PM (#252595 - in reply to #247573)
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Dod we ask mabout the 57, 58, & 59 Dodge Power Giant sweptside pu?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-12-10 2:07 PM (#252707 - in reply to #252595)
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Ok, I sent Danielle an e-mail about the '58 Winsor convertibles. Doc, this is probably going to get me banned down at Chrysler Historical - so I hope your are happy! Let's see what she says.

I heard that Elmer Skuggins purchased one of them brand-new from a dealer in Ipswitch, New York. Several months later, he attempted to jump it over the Grand Canyon. The car was nearly totalled. Twenty three years later, it turned up in a storage building in Pewaukee, Wisconsin. I think it is in Europe now. I don't know anything about the other one!

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Jessica
Posted 2010-12-10 2:52 PM (#252714 - in reply to #247573)
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I hope she will be able to offer you more help than I, Mike.

On a side note, I cannot find the page where I read that Jay Leno owned a Coronado. Perhaps it was false information. I did look up his website, www.jaylenosgarage.com, and a 55 Coronado is not amongst the list. Perhaps at one time he did have one, but sold it? Who knows. Jay does represent the FWLK fairly well, however, with a gorgeous 56 Chrysler Imperial. He also has a 54 Coronet Suburban.
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Posted 2010-12-10 3:24 PM (#252720 - in reply to #247573)
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I have a photo of the 60 Matador 2 door sedan, will post later at home.
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Posted 2010-12-10 3:57 PM (#252722 - in reply to #247573)
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Bill, what is Non-Stock about the 58 Windsor Sedan mock up above?
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Posted 2010-12-10 4:23 PM (#252730 - in reply to #252722)
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Mike, you'd better add the 102 1957 D501's to the list; the 1956 D-500-1's were something (way-) less than 100,
but since their actual production number is not (yet) known, they should be correctly inserted next-lower than the 102
D501's.

But, since you're breaking-out the verts, you can further lower the 501's production to show 23 D501 convertibles produced
and 10 hardtop 501's and 69 2-dr sedan 501's being built.







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Posted 2010-12-10 8:21 PM (#252775 - in reply to #252722)
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imopar380 - 2010-12-10 3:57 PM

Bill, what is Non-Stock about the 58 Windsor Sedan mock up above?


The headlamps. All production 1958 Chrysler-built cars had quads, not duals.
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Posted 2010-12-10 10:51 PM (#252785 - in reply to #252730)
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d500neil - 2010-12-10 2:23 PM

Mike, you'd better add the 102 1957 D501's to the list; the 1956 D-500-1's were something (way-) less than 100,
but since their actual production number is not (yet) known, they should be correctly inserted next-lower than the 102
D501's.

But, since you're breaking-out the verts, you can further lower the 501's production to show 23 D501 convertibles produced
and 10 hardtop 501's and 69 2-dr sedan 501's being built.


I am by no means the keeper of the list, just the asker of the question. As I noted earlier, I am hesitant to add the 501's because it seems like more of an engine option, rather than strictly model and body style (which was the question). However, you make a good case. IF you considered the 501 as a MODEL, it makes sense to add it on....AND you have numbers! Someone did point out that at sometime in the past, someone did consider the 501 as a model.

As a cautionary note, this makes me think of '60 Sonoramic club sedans or '59 D-500 convertibles - but we don't have numbers for those! And they cross model lines where the '57 D501 does not.
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Posted 2010-12-10 11:43 PM (#252789 - in reply to #252785)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-12-10 10:51 PM

d500neil - 2010-12-10 2:23 PM

Mike, you'd better add the 102 1957 D501's to the list; the 1956 D-500-1's were something (way-) less than 100,
but since their actual production number is not (yet) known, they should be correctly inserted next-lower than the 102
D501's.

But, since you're breaking-out the verts, you can further lower the 501's production to show 23 D501 convertibles produced
and 10 hardtop 501's and 69 2-dr sedan 501's being built.


I am by no means the keeper of the list, just the asker of the question. As I noted earlier, I am hesitant to add the 501's because it seems like more of an engine option, rather than strictly model and body style (which was the question). However, you make a good case. IF you considered the 501 as a MODEL, it makes sense to add it on....AND you have numbers! Someone did point out that at sometime in the past, someone did consider the 501 as a model.

As a cautionary note, this makes me think of '60 Sonoramic club sedans or '59 D-500 convertibles - but we don't have numbers for those! And they cross model lines where the '57 D501 does not.



The D-500, D-501, Sonoramic, etc. were packages with the engine as the focal point. In the case of the D-500, you can find them on Coronet, Royal and Custom Royal models while the Sonoramic was available on all Plymouths. The cars on the list each have a unique model number. The D-500, D-501 and Sonoramic equipped vehicles do not.

The 1959 DeSoto Fireflite 2-door hardtop was model MS3-H 23, while the Adventurer 2-door hardtop was MS3-S 23. A 1959 Dodge Custom Royal with the base 361 V8 was model MD3-H 23 while a Custom Royal with the D-500 package (DeSoto Fireflite engine, basically) was still MD3-H 23. And that was how Chrysler counted production - by model number.

And that is to what the list should be sticking - production by model number. The D-500, D-501, etc. were all options, just like power steering, automatic transmissions, and whitewall tires. If someone wants to make a list how many cars were built by engine option, in particular hi-perf engines, fine. But this one should stick to production by model number (make, series and body style).

The model number information was entered on the bottom row of the body data tag on U.S. models and the top row on Canadian models, but not information on what was under the hood. That information was recorded in the options area of the American body data tag and not at all on the Canadian.

In the case of the D-501, is was not a model. It's fine that 10 D-501 hardtops were built, but of that 10 how many were Coronet, how many Royal and how many Custom Royal? And that is the sign of an option. The 1957 Dodge Coronet was model D66, the Royal was D67-2 and the Custom Royal was D67-3. We know how many hardtops were built in each series, and we know those totals include those built with the D-501 engine option. The D-500 and D-501 were not models, but engine packages/options.

Just my 2 cents Canadian (1.99 cents US).


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Posted 2010-12-11 1:13 AM (#252795 - in reply to #252775)
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Chrycoman - 2010-12-10 5:21 PM

imopar380 - 2010-12-10 3:57 PM

Bill, what is Non-Stock about the 58 Windsor Sedan mock up above?


The headlamps. All production 1958 Chrysler-built cars had quads, not duals.


Of course - I guess I was thinking of the 57 DeSoto Firesweeps with the single headlamps in the Dodge type front fenders.
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Posted 2010-12-11 1:15 AM (#252796 - in reply to #252795)
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Here's the 1960 Matador 2 door Sedan photo.





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Posted 2010-12-11 1:24 AM (#252798 - in reply to #252796)
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Next Lowest 1960 Dodge production would be the " Non-Cataloged" 1960 Dart Phoenix Wagon, just 320 were built for the Canadian Market only. They carried Matador / Polara side trim and tail lights, but had a Dart grille, and a Plymouth dash board and interior. They took the place of the Matador Wagon in Canada which was not built or sold in Canada. The reason that they used Matador / Polara body side mouldings was the simple fact that the Phoenix body side mouldings would not fit above the HIGHER rear fender openings used on all wagons, whether they were Dart or Polara/ Matador wagons. The Dart non-wagons used lower rear fender openings than the wagons. I know of only one of these that survives today, and is presently somewhere in Europe. There could possibly be others.... maybe...

Being a Wagon, it was built in the USA for sale in Canada... a very strange hybrid car indeed. The Windsor plant did not build wagons or convertibles in those years.


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Posted 2010-12-11 2:16 AM (#252803 - in reply to #247573)
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The June 1964 NADA book shows the D501 as a model. It was more than an engine option. It is as serious a contender as differentiating 6 pas wagons from 9 pass wagons. I'm with Neil D500, the exclusion of a truly rare Dodge makes the accured list hohum!

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Next Lowest 1960 Dodge production would be the " Non-Cataloged" 1960 Dart Phoenix Wagon, just 320 were built for the Canadian Market only. They carried Matador / Polara side trim and tail lights, but had a Dart grille, and a Plymouth dash board and interior. They took the place of the Matador Wagon in Canada which was not built or sold in Canada. The reason that they used Matador / Polara body side mouldings was the simple fact that the Phoenix body side mouldings would not fit above the HIGHER rear fender openings used on all wagons, whether they were Dart or Polara/ Matador wagons. The Dart non-wagons used lower rear fender openings than the wagons. I know of only one of these that survives today, and is presently somewhere in Europe. There could possibly be others.... maybe...

Being a Wagon, it was built in the USA for sale in Canada... a very strange hybrid car indeed. The Windsor plant did not build wagons or convertibles in those years.


Actually, the Windsor plant did build wagons, but only Plymouth and Plymouth-based models from 1949. Chrysler, DeSoto and US-style Dodge wagons were all imported. C-body Plymouth and Dodge wagons were built in Canada until 1969 or 1970, and they also built Valiant wagons 1960-65 but not 1966.

The reason for the Phoenix Sport Suburban is that the Canadian Dodge mirrored the Plymouth as far as Canadian-built models go. As Plymouth had a Sport Suburban in 1960, so did the Dart. Neither offered a Custom Suburban, though. The 1960 Sport Suburbans were offered with slant six or 313 V8 engines in both 2-seat and 3-seat versions. As stated, sales were very low and thus from 1961 through 1965 Plymouth and Dodge offered Suburban and Custom Suburban wagons and no Sport Suburban. The "Sport Suburban" nameplates used on the 1960 Dart were from the 1959 Plymouth/Dodge.
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Posted 2010-12-14 12:19 PM (#253234 - in reply to #247573)
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How come no '55 or '56's mentioned? How many '55 Chrysler C300's were made. What about the 300B, weren't both of these production cars? Or did Mopar make tons of '55 and '56 Mopars?
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Posted 2010-12-14 1:42 PM (#253248 - in reply to #253234)
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I think production of both exceeded 1000 units.

How you doing, Jay ?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-12-14 2:04 PM (#253254 - in reply to #252476)
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We recently added the 55 Fireflite convertible at 756!

I had wondered about the '55s and '56s too. There must be some other model and bodystyle combinations that were under 1,000 units made.

Does anyone know of any?
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55 and 56 were good sales years for Mother Mopar. The 56 ADV came in at 996. The related
Pace Car ragtop was very limited production, but the number escapes me and I really don't know
if it had a special designation to qualify.
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Posted 2010-12-14 10:17 PM (#253339 - in reply to #253248)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-12-14 11:42 AM I think production of both exceeded 1000 units. How you doing, Jay ?

Well, I didn't know those years had such good production numbers.  I would have thought there weren't that many C300's sold, but I guess there was, wow, guess they were doing good.  Those years do happen to be the best FL's anyway! :-)  Am I a little biased? Or just an a$$?

Doc, been okay, but have to go into the neuro docs tomorrow.  Extreme pain under right shoulder blade and down right and left arms.  Last time this happen they had to fuse two vertebraes and dig 3 pieces of disc material out of my spinal cord.  I'm hoping they didn't leave a piece in and now its lodge itself against a nerve, bad snap in my neck the other morning.  Its possible there may be something wrong with the plate or the plate screws in my neck, we'll see.  Not even my Methadone touches the pain, its like a sword pushed in under your shoulder blade down your arm and out your fingertips.  When its really bad and my son is home, I go out to the garage to scream, that's how painful it can get.  Unfortunately, tomorrow's the soonest I could get in.

But the family's fine, we just bought a trampoline for my son.  And I just got our new Pertronix billet plug-n-play distributor, coil, and awaiting the plug wires, and Tuff Stuff high torque mini-starter.  I like early presents! :-)

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-12-15 10:48 AM (#253361 - in reply to #253339)
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Well, I did get the following message from Danielle at Chrysler regarding the 58 Windsor convertibles. No new information, though.

Hello Mike,

 

 

Unfortunately, we do not have any records of where vehicles are after they were built.  Therefore, we are unsure of where the (2) 1958 Windsor convertibles are as of today or what happened to them after they left the factory. We would need serial numbers for them to look up build records to see what dealerships they went to after the build.  Also, that information can only be given to the owners of the vehicles.

 

 

I am sorry I could not assist you further.  If you have any questions, please let me know.

 

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imopar380 - 2010-12-10 10:24 PM

Next Lowest 1960 Dodge production would be the " Non-Cataloged" 1960 Dart Phoenix Wagon, just 320 were built for the Canadian Market only. They carried Matador / Polara side trim and tail lights, but had a Dart grille, and a Plymouth dash board and interior. They took the place of the Matador Wagon in Canada which was not built or sold in Canada. The reason that they used Matador / Polara body side mouldings was the simple fact that the Phoenix body side mouldings would not fit above the HIGHER rear fender openings used on all wagons, whether they were Dart or Polara/ Matador wagons. The Dart non-wagons used lower rear fender openings than the wagons. I know of only one of these that survives today, and is presently somewhere in Europe. There could possibly be others.... maybe...

Being a Wagon, it was built in the USA for sale in Canada... a very strange hybrid car indeed. The Windsor plant did not build wagons or convertibles in those years.


I found the pics of the one "Canadian Only" Phoenix Wagon I know about.



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Posted 2010-12-15 11:07 PM (#253442 - in reply to #247573)
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That's a neat looking wagon.
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Posted 2010-12-15 11:47 PM (#253446 - in reply to #252476)
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So we have a few new ones

60 Matador club sedan (2)
58 Windsor convertible (2)
58 Adventurer convertible (82)
59 Adventurer convertible (97)
59 300E convertible (140)
58 300D convertible (191)
60 300F convertible (248)
59 New Yorker convertible (286)
57 Adventurer convertible (300)
58 Fireflite Shopper (318)

60 Phoenix wagon (320
61 300G convertible (337)
58 Adventurer coupe (350)
58 Town & Country 9p wagon (428)
59 Town & Country 6p wagon (444)
58 Fireflite convertible (474)
57 300C convertible (484)
58 LeBaron sedan (501)
61 Polara convertible (512)
58 Firedome convertible (519)
58 LeBaron Southampton (538)
59 300E coupe (550)
60 New Yorker convertible (556)
59 Town & Country 9p wagon (564)
61 New Yorker convertible (576)
58 Fireflite Explorer (609)
58 300D coupe (618)
58 New Yorker convertible (666)
55 Fireflite convertible (756)
56 Adventurer coupe (996)

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Posted 2010-12-16 6:41 AM (#253471 - in reply to #253446)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-12-15 11:47 PM

So we have a few new ones

60 Matador club sedan (2)
58 Windsor convertible (2)
58 Adventurer convertible (82)
59 Adventurer convertible (97)
59 300E convertible (140)
58 300D convertible (191)
60 300F convertible (248)
59 New Yorker convertible (286)
57 Adventurer convertible (300)
58 Fireflite Shopper (318)

60 Phoenix wagon (320
61 300G convertible (337)
58 Adventurer coupe (350)
58 Town & Country 9p wagon (428)
59 Town & Country 6p wagon (444)
58 Fireflite convertible (474)
57 300C convertible (484)
58 LeBaron sedan (501)
61 Polara convertible (512)
58 Firedome convertible (519)
58 LeBaron Southampton (538)
59 300E coupe (550)
60 New Yorker convertible (556)
59 Town & Country 9p wagon (564)
61 New Yorker convertible (576)
58 Fireflite Explorer (609)
58 300D coupe (618)
58 New Yorker convertible (666)
55 Fireflite convertible (756)
56 Adventurer coupe (996)



59 Windsor convertible (961)





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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-12-28 12:59 PM (#254818 - in reply to #253471)
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60 Matador club sedan (2)
58 Windsor convertible (2)
58 Adventurer convertible (82)
59 Adventurer convertible (97)
59 300E convertible (140)
58 300D convertible (191)
60 300F convertible (248)
59 New Yorker convertible (286)
57 Adventurer convertible (300)
58 Fireflite Shopper (318)
60 Phoenix wagon (320)
61 300G convertible (337)
58 Adventurer coupe (350)
58 Town & Country 9p wagon (428)
59 Town & Country 6p wagon (444)
58 Fireflite convertible (474)
57 300C convertible (484)
58 LeBaron sedan (501)
61 Polara convertible (512)
58 Firedome convertible (519)
58 LeBaron Southampton (538)
59 300E coupe (550)
60 New Yorker convertible (556)
59 Town & Country 9p wagon (564)
61 New Yorker convertible (576)
58 Fireflite Explorer (609)
58 300D coupe (618)
58 New Yorker convertible (666)
55 Fireflite convertible (756)
59 Windsor convertible (961)
56 Adventurer coupe (996)

There must be several cars still missing from this list - particularly between production totals of 667 and 999. Any additions from the experts? At least all model years appear to be represented now...but not all makes.

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d500neil
Posted 2010-12-28 4:33 PM (#254831 - in reply to #247573)
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The 1957 Dodge D501's were ABSOLUTELY a separate, limited production, purpose-built, car model, which
were ALSO sold to the general public (after Dodge forsook its 1957 NASCAR racing ambitions, but did abide
by its decision to build at least 100 of them).

In addition to having a unique model designation and badging (D501), and/or D-500-1 (in-house), they have unique BDY codes to identify them (something that the 1956 D500 race cars did not have), and the totality of their heavy duty/race mechanical equipment and features were shared with NO other MoPar cars; their engines were absolutely unique, too, to the D501's.

Their inclusion should be broken-out into hardtops (10), 2-dr sedans (69) and convertibles (23) = 102 ; if you are going to split-hairs (hares?), to recognize Matador 2-dr sedans!






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Posted 2010-12-28 5:15 PM (#254834 - in reply to #254831)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-10-30 11:18 PM

I am reluctant to knock the 58 Windsor convertible out - Dodge made a "mock-up" of the '59 Regal Lancer, but you never see that in 1959 Dodge production figures! Every account of 1958 Chrysler production numbers I have seen lists those two Windsors. Good point: John Q could not walk into a dealer and buy one, but something is different about them from a true mock-up one-of-a-kind! I didn't throw in the 501s or the dash ones because that opens the door for the pont-a-mousson 300Fs, the '58 EFIs, and the slope gets slipperier from there. I appreciate the production list for Ghias (they are true rarities). There must be some more rare wagons or some rare '56s or '55s in there?



The reason the 1959 Dodge Regal Lancer is not in Dodge's production figures is due to the fact it was not produced. You have it right - "mock-up". The two door hardtop Chrysler used for the mock-up was either a production Custom Royal, one of the pre-production prototypes, or one of the styling mock-ups fabricated to show what the 1959 Dodges would look like. Depends upon how long they kept the latter two sources.

I went through all the production figures I have for 1955 to 1961 Chrysler Corporation cars and produced the attached list of models and body styles with production totals under 1,000. A few notes :

1) 1955 Imperial convertible, 1958 Windsor convertibles and 1960 Matador 2-door sedans are not in the main list as they were not true production vehicles. All were special models for some purpose with the 1955 Imperial convertible actually being New Yorker with an Imperial front clip and the rear fenders modified to take the Imperial taillights, etc.

2) The 1955 D54-4 Mayfair 6 models are shown but I do not have production figures for them. The Plymouth equivalent models, P26-4, are included as I have figures for them.

3) Canadian-built "Plodge" figures for 1955-56 were kept separate from Plymouth but I do not have them. American-built "Plodges, Canadian-built 1957-59 "Plodges", and 1955-1959 DeSoto Diplomat figures are all included with Plymouth, and thus unknown.

4) 1960-1961 DeSoto Diplomat models were included with Dodge Dart and thus unknown.

5) All foreign-built Mopar cars, except the Australian 1957-63 Chrysler Royal, were based on North American CKD units, and included with North American production records. Thus such vehicles as the Dodge Phoenix (Australia), 1962 DeSoto Diplomat (South Africa) and 1963 DeSoto Rebel (Soouth Africa) are all included in the North American production figures for the models they were based on.

6) Imperial Ghia limousines are not included as they were based on production 2-door hardtops or 4-door sedans. The 1955-56 Crown Imperials are included as they were built in Detroit and shared the front cowl, clip and front doors with the 1955 Imperial Custom 4-door sedan with the remainder of the body produced in Detroit. I suspect production of this body style would have been greater had New York City not changed their taxi regulations thus eliminating the need for a long wheelbase body. The 1937-1954 DeSoto taxi and Crown Imperial shared the same body and would have in 1955 had the regulations not changed. When Chrysler first released the beginning serial numbers for 1955, the LWB DeSoto taxi was in that list.

DeSoto did attempt to get back in the taxi business in 1957 with the Firesweep 6 Taxi. The model was built at Hamtramck with production beginning in January. Which is why Dodge's 230-cid six had the engine prefix change from D72 to KDS6 at engine number 9601 on January 10, 1957. The Firesweep 6 had its own serial number sequence and show 139 built. DeSoto tried again in 1958 with serial number prefix LS1-T but I have no idea how many were built.

I had the list attached as a PDF file, but I could access more than just my file when I first posted it, so I deleted the post. I will be redoing the list
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Posted 2010-12-28 5:42 PM (#254836 - in reply to #247573)
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1955 PLYMOUTH - P26-4 : Belvedere 6 4-door wagon - 21
1955 IMPERIAL - C70 : Crown 4-door sedan, 9-pass - 45
1956 IMPERIAL - C70* : Crown 4-door sedan, 9-pass - 51
1961 DART - RD3/4-L : Seneca 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 68
1961 PLYMOUTH - RP1/2-L : Savoy 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 74
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-S : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 82
1955 PLYMOUTH - P26-4 : Belvedere 6 2-door hardtop - 93
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-P : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 97
1955 PLYMOUTH - P26-4 : Belvedere 6 2-door sedan - 100
1960 DART - PD3-4/H : Phoenix 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 122
1955 IMPERIAL - C70 : Crown 4-door limousine - 127
1957 DeSOTO - S27 : Firesweep 6 Taxi 4-door sedan - 139
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-P : 300-E 2-door convertible - 140
1956 IMPERIAL - C70* : Crown 4-door limousine - 175
1958 CHRYSLER - LC4-H : 300-D 2-door convertible - 191
1960 DART - PD3-4/H : Phoenix 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 198
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-S : 300-F 2-door convertible - 248
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 271
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 283
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 286
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-M : Firedome 2-door convertible - 299
1957 DeSOTO - S26A : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 300
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 318
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : 300-G 2-door convertible - 337
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 428
1961 IMPERIAL - RY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 429
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 433
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 444
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 474
1957 DeSOTO - C76 : 300-C 2-door convertible - 484
1958 IMPERIAL - LY-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 501
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 510
1961 DODGE - RD1-L : Polara 2-door convertible - 512
1958 DeSOTO - LS2-M : Firedome 2-door convertible - 519
1958 IMPERIAL - LY-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 538
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-P : 300-E 2-door hardtop 550
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible 555
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 556
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 564
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 576
1959 DeSOTO - MS2-L : Firesweep V8 2-door convertible - 596
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-P : Adventurer 2-door hardtop - 602
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 609
1958 CHRYSLER - LC4-H : 300-D 2-door hardtop - 618
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 618
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 622
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 624
1955 DeSOTO - S22 : Firedome 2-door convertible - 625
1956 DeSOTO - S23 : Firedome 2-door convertible - 646
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 666
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 671
1958 IMPERIAL - LY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 675
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 676
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 692
1958 DeSOTO - LS1-L : Firesweep V8 2-door convertible - 700
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 751
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 760
1955 DeSOTO - S21 : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 775
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 775
1955 PLYMOUTH - P26-4 : Belvedere 6 4-door sedan - 786
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 791
1957 DeSOTO - S26 : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 837
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 862
1961 IMPERIAL - RY1-L : Custom 2-door hardtop - 889
1961 DODGE - RD1-L : Polara 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 908
1957 IMPERIAL - IM1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 911
1961 DeSOTO - RS1-M : ---- 2-door hardtop - 911
1957 DeSOTO - S26 : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 934
1955 CHRYSLER - C68 : New Yorker DeLuxe 2-door convertible - 946
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 2-door convertible - 961
1960 CHRYSLER- PC3-S : 300-F 2-door hardtop - 964
1959 DODGE - MD3-H : Custom Royal 2-door convertible - 984
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 992
1956 DeSOTO - S24 : Adventurer 2-door hardtop - 996
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 999

1955 IMPERIAL - C69 : Custom 2-door convertible - 1
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 2-door convertible - 2
1960 DODGE - PD1-L : Matador 2-door sedan - 2

1955 DODGE - D54-4 : Mayfair 6 2-door sedan - ??
1955 DODGE - D54-4 : Mayfair 6 4-door sedan - ??
1955 DODGE - D54-4 : Mayfair 6 2-door hardtop - ??
1955 DODGE - D54-4 : Mayfair 6 4-door wagon - ??
1958 DeSOTO - LS1-T : Firesweep 6 Taxi 4-door sedan - ??
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Posted 2010-12-28 6:19 PM (#254838 - in reply to #254836)
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Ahhhh, now that's more like it! Thank you, Bill! Who would have guessed that a bread-and-butter Plymouth tops the list? However, I was am still reluctant to factor engines into the equation. I am aware that Chrysler lists engine types in its accounts of model production (i.e. 1958 Coronet Six two door hardtops 711ish - which I do not see on the list). That might lend some creedence to Neil's contention about the 501s.

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d500neil
Posted 2010-12-28 8:43 PM (#254849 - in reply to #247573)
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Neil AIN'T got no "contention"...facts is FACTS.

The 1957 Coronet D501 is a true separate car model.

Now, whether you want to break-down its body types, between verts, hardtops, and 2-dr sedans, depends upon your accounting of them.

Since you are listing individual Matador sedans, and wagon-models, then the 501's should be given the courtesy of breaking down their body-types, too, above, as they are accounted-for by Darrell Davis' Historical Society research.







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Posted 2010-12-28 8:47 PM (#254851 - in reply to #247573)
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what about jess's '55 coronado

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Posted 2010-12-28 8:49 PM (#254852 - in reply to #254851)
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This survey concerns the numbers-built; not the numbers-surviving.

Lotsa 1-of-1's (still surviving) !



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Posted 2010-12-28 10:07 PM (#254880 - in reply to #247573)
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REmember folks NADA( North American Dealer Association) listed the 501's as a seperate model in their pricing guide. Now, get in the game add it to the rare model list. It was not just an engine option. Thank you
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Posted 2010-12-28 11:40 PM (#254887 - in reply to #247573)
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I have used the info for years contained in the "Red Book, National Used Car Market Reports," and have them going back to 1926.
Look at the bottom of page 51 and you'll see the D501 listed as a Model (D501), with a breakout of Motor Numbers, and two body styles;
don't know why the 2drht is absent. The D501 listing continues at the top of page 52 with its unique engine specs.

Throughout the '56-'58 Dodge listing of this Sept., 1960 issue, you'll see the D500 referred to as an engine option, to be considered like
power steering, auto trans, etc. Car companies sent this data to Red Book, NADA, Kelley, etc., for use by dealers, law enforcement,
insurance companies and more, and that data is generally irrefutable. Taking Horace's NADA listing a step further, if Dodge listed the D501
with a Model designation in these period publications, then it's more than a mere engine option; it's a separate model.

Note on the right of the D501 listing it states, "Began Mar, 1957" and all other Models, "Began Oct, 1956."

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Posted 2010-12-28 11:58 PM (#254888 - in reply to #254887)
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Riddle me this, Batman: were those 102 1957 501 Coronets taken out of the "Coronet" production totals or added-on to the Coronet production totals??? They did still have Coronet scripts on the sides right??? Can't be a separate model when the name "Coronet" is slapped on the side! If it were its own model, you would be calling it a Coronet 501. How many Coronet 500s were built?

Edited by Lancer Mike 2010-12-29 12:05 AM
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-12-29 12:10 AM (#254889 - in reply to #254836)
Subject: RE: Rarest FL Cars by Model and Body Style



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Location: The Mile High City
No, no - this list ought to read

1955 IMPERIAL - C70 : Crown 4-door sedan, 9-pass - 45
1956 IMPERIAL - C70* : Crown 4-door sedan, 9-pass - 51
1961 DART - RD3/4-L : Seneca 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 68
1961 PLYMOUTH - RP1/2-L : Savoy 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 74
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-S : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 82
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-P : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 97
1960 DART - PD3-4/H : Phoenix 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 122
1955 IMPERIAL - C70 : Crown 4-door limousine - 127
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-P : 300-E 2-door convertible - 140
1956 IMPERIAL - C70* : Crown 4-door limousine - 175
1958 CHRYSLER - LC4-H : 300-D 2-door convertible - 191
1960 DART - PD3-4/H : Phoenix 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 198
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-S : 300-F 2-door convertible - 248
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 271
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 283
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 286
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-M : Firedome 2-door convertible - 299
1957 DeSOTO - S26A : Adventurer 2-door convertible - 300
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 318
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : 300-G 2-door convertible - 337
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 428
1961 IMPERIAL - RY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 429
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 433
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 444
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 474
1957 DeSOTO - C76 : 300-C 2-door convertible - 484
1958 IMPERIAL - LY-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 501
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 510
1961 DODGE - RD1-L : Polara 2-door convertible - 512
1958 DeSOTO - LS2-M : Firedome 2-door convertible - 519
1958 IMPERIAL - LY-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 538
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-P : 300-E 2-door hardtop 550
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible 555
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 556
1959 CHRYSLER - MC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 564
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 576
1959 DeSOTO - MS2-L : Firesweep V8 2-door convertible - 596
1959 DeSOTO - MS3-P : Adventurer 2-door hardtop - 602
1958 DeSOTO - LS3-H : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 609
1958 CHRYSLER - LC4-H : 300-D 2-door hardtop - 618
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 618
1959 IMPERIAL - MY1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 622
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 624
1955 DeSOTO - S22 : Firedome 2-door convertible - 625
1956 DeSOTO - S23 : Firedome 2-door convertible - 646
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 2-door convertible - 666
1960 CHRYSLER - PC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 671
1958 IMPERIAL - LY1-M : Crown 2-door convertible - 675
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 676
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-H : LeBaron 4-door sedan - 692
1958 DeSOTO - LS1-L : Firesweep 2-door convertible - 700
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 751
1961 CHRYSLER - RC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 760
1955 DeSOTO - S21 : Fireflite 2-door convertible - 775
1958 CHRYSLER - LC3-H : New Yorker 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 775
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 791
1957 DeSOTO - S26 : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 837
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 862
1961 IMPERIAL - RY1-L : Custom 2-door hardtop - 889
1961 DODGE - RD1-L : Polara 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 908
1957 IMPERIAL - IM1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 911
1961 DeSOTO - RS1-M : ---- 2-door hardtop - 911
1957 DeSOTO - S26 : Fireflite 4-door wagon, 3-seat - 934
1955 CHRYSLER - C68 : New Yorker DeLuxe 2-door convertible - 946
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 2-door convertible - 961
1960 CHRYSLER- PC3-S : 300-F 2-door hardtop - 964
1959 DODGE - MD3-H : Custom Royal 2-door convertible - 984
1959 CHRYSLER - MC1-L : Windsor 4-door wagon, 2-seat - 992
1956 DeSOTO - S24 : Adventurer 2-door hardtop - 996
1960 IMPERIAL - PY1-H : LeBaron 4-door hardtop - 999

1955 IMPERIAL - C69 : Custom 2-door convertible - 1
1958 CHRYSLER - LC1-L : Windsor 2-door convertible - 2
1960 DODGE - PD1-L : Matador 2-door sedan - 2

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