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Location: Parts Unknown | crvsir - 2010-11-02 2:52 PM
........ although not near as rare, I have a 59 New Yorker 2 door hardtop. Not much info around on
these. Mines Dusty Rose Poly, I can't think they made alot in this colour....
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Any extreme up or down model car will sell in far fewer numbers than the middle-of-the-road cars.
Add in something weird like an unusual paint color and it is likely more than a few were built and as
we all know, fewer still survive. Especially if they were those hi-style 50's pastel colors that were SO
out of style and only drew more attention to the very passe fin car. Many late 50's cars went to the
crusher not from being worn out or wrecked, but because they were looked down upon as being ugly
and excessive very soon after being the latest rage. It is a wonder ANY of these cars survived being
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Location: Plymouth Spaceport | "Crusader" would have been a great name for Dodges version of the Fury!
It sounds tough and fits in with the Knight theme used during 57-59
I am glad Dodge got away from using that ugly ram logo during the forward look years.
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Location: Midwest USA | doesn't seem to be that "rare", there were 8,413 of them built - http://www.allpar.com/world/canada.html
but yeah, rare for it to still be around, do you Canadians crush 'em just to hear glass shatter or something?
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Location: Chesterfield, Virginia | How about the 59 Desoto Firesweep Sportsman 2dr. hrdt.? Only 5481 were made.  |
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Location: Washington,DC | How about the 1961 Dodge Polara convertible made 512. I just bought/ found one in Hershey PA. I just finished the 1961 Dodge Phoenix convertible made 3878. I thought I would never find a polara convertible and then one shows up. I will be working on the polara soon.
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Location: Under the X in Texas | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5975637569570379341# 1960 Imperial prototype which is a sedan on the driver's side and a 4dr hardtop on the passenger side is shown just past halfway through this 6 min. video. This has to be the most rare body style of '60 Imperial ! Can you beat that?
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Location: Parts Unknown | Good Lord! We're really grasping at straws now !
I got a tip on a 58 Belvedere one and when I got there I found it had been grafted into a
camper. I suppose once we open the door to non-production cars, all bets are off ?
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Location: North Australia | Here is a rare one, but probably not desirable. This car sits in a shed in South Australia, My Sister found it in the back shed on the farm she lives on, with her Husband.
The Brother in laws Dad purchased the car new, and here it sits. I could find little detail on numbers, but around 500 odd cars seems right.
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Location: Eastern Iowa | Someone needs to remove those wiper arms before they ruin the W/shield if they'd ever get activated!!
It would be akin to taking sandpaper to the glass.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Oooh! ... I want a pair of those "Torque Flite" badges !!!!!
Looks like the keys are on the seat ... Let's take it out for a ride !
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Location: Midwest USA |
what are the production numbers for the '61 DeSoto's? they might fall in as the rarist by "quantity"...
edit: nevermind, 3,034 DeSotos were built in '61, i wouldn't call that "rare" (esp. when you compare that to 1956 D-500's or 1956 DeSoto Adventurers)...
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Location: Ny | 1958firemite, your phoenix is gorgeous. I had a blue 4 door sedan back in the day until the rear end rusted out of it. It ended up as a donor for a polara since it had rust-free fenders. Weird, considering the eyebrows are typically GONE in those cars. Speaking of that... 60 Imp, that car is in amazing condition. Whoever is going to snag up that beaut is a lucky person.
It's not technically forwardlook, but I'm just putting two words out there (since we're all grasping for straws, lol). 1955 Coronado. I'm not biased or anything. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | What are the production numbers for 55 Coronado ? I don't think I've ever looked that up !
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Location: Perth Australia | Hmmm I would like a lot of that car so I can keep my 60 plym R/H/D. I have tha dash but the steering and brakes ect would be very handy. Even if it was for sale, I need to rebuild the funds and get christmas out of the way first. |
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i can't find any production numbers that segragate out the Coronado 
i have always LOVED the front "teeth" of the '55 DeSoto's...
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Location: Parts Unknown | I like the floating teeth on the 54 and 55 DeSoto as well. The 54 was a very good looking bathtub ..
..... this coming from a guy that doesn't like round cars too much. I just love the tiny fins on the chrome
light rings front and rear !!!
The 55 is beautiful ... I think about the best of the Mopar line for 55. Although the 55 CRL is pretty neat
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Location: Ny | There is no definitive production number since they were produced alongside the rest of the fireflites, but it is said that less than 500 were produced. I think Allpar.com numbers it around the 478-mark. Shame we couldn't get a production list from CHS and pull out all of the body style #45's. Then we'd know for sure. |
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Location: Midwest USA |
what's "different" about the Coronado versus the regular ol' 'flite? |
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Location: Bräcke,Sweden | 1958firemite - 2010-12-01 1:24 AM
How about the 1961 Dodge Polara convertible made 512. I just bought/ found one in Hershey PA. I just finished the 1961 Dodge Phoenix convertible made 3878. I thought I would never find a polara convertible and then one shows up. I will be working on the polara soon.
That´s one very beautiful Phoenix vert.Can´t wait for pics of that 61 Polara.
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Special paint was limited to charcoal, turquoise, and white, in 9 combinations, special interior,
"Coronado" badging, and a fairly stout option package. They were a very plush DeSoto sedan.
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Location: Northen Virginia | 1959 Crown Imperial Limo, price $16.000 total production: 7
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Location: Ny | Now here's the $64 question: Would you consider the Coronado to be on a line of its own as the spring special, or would you subtype it as just a trim level... akin to "Sportsman".
The Coronado featured the Sportsman leather and cloth interior (aqua cloth, white leather only). Coronado was even given its own "Body Type" on the paint/trim data plate... #45. This would further identify the vehicle as a Coronado beyond the 5 available color combination's indicated by the paint code (in black, surf white, and "coronado green").
I have tons of 55 Coronado info that i was able to scrounge up with thanks to CHS and various members/fellow Coronado owners of the NDC.
This is of course not to be confused with the Plymouth Coronado (8 passenger sedan). Those are an entirely different species.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Since the term "Sportsman" was meaningless beyond denoting a hardtop body style, I would not
put "Coronado" in the same class. Coronado was a special, extra fancy sub-model of the top-end
Fireflite. It was a limited production car with lots of special features. There was no specific paint
or interiors associated with a Sportsman. All it meant was a pillarless coupe or sedan.
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Location: Finland | 
How about this one? `57 DeSoto Diplomat 4D HT. Yes, it is HT...
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Location: Dellslow, West ("By God") Virginia ! | Milt,,,, Sent you a PM,,, |
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Location: Dellslow, West ("By God") Virginia ! | StillOutThere - 2010-11-30 8:32 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5975637569570379341# 1960 Imperial prototype which is a sedan on the driver's side and a 4dr hardtop on the passenger side is shown just past halfway through this 6 min. video. This has to be the most rare body style of '60 Imperial ! Can you beat that?
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Location: The Mile High City | Just saw that 61 New Yorker convertible in the auction section. It said only 562 produced. |
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Location: MN | Lancer, the 57 D501's are listed as a seperate model in the NADA books of old. Probably around 113 |
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Location: bishop, ca | Milt, I am a strong advocate and exponent for the installation of clear plastic seat covers to protect a correct/expensive
NOS interior, but yours is the FIRST example that I've ever seen where they were put over a full-VINYL interior!!!!
I bow to your righteousness.....
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Location: bishop, ca | Gerry, altho the final count has not yet been confirmed by Historical Society researcher Darrell Davis, it appears
that there may have been up to 105 1957 D501's built--including pre-full-production examples which left the factory.
To date 92 D501's have been found by Mr. Davis; they were not built in sequence, and the hardtop versions carry
ordinary BDY codings, which make them tough to find.
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Location: The Mile High City | No question the 501's were (are) rare. Were all 501's Coronets? And then most were club sedans, but some were hardtops, some were convertibles, and some were sedans? I was originally trying to stay away from that area because it is such a slippery slope; when you begin factoring in engine options, you should include transmission options and one thing leads to another and it goes all C-body where every car is one of only six made that look exactly like this one.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Let's lose all the "funny business" cars and go back the original list (kinda)
58 Adventurer convertible (82)
59 Adventurer convertible (97)
59 300E convertible (140)
58 300D convertible (191)
59 New Yorker convertible (286)
58 Fireflite Shopper (318)
58 Adventurer coupe (350)
58 Town & Country 9p wagon (428)
59 Town & Country 6p wagon (444)
58 Fireflite convertible (474)
57 300C convertible (484)
58 LeBaron sedan (501)
58 Firedome convertible (519)
58 LeBaron South Hampton (538)
59 300E coupe (550)
61 NY'er convertible (562)
59 Town & Country 9p wagon (564)
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Location: Iowa USA | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-12-05 1:29 AM
Let's lose all the "funny business" cars and go back the original list (kinda )
You have something against the 57 Adventurer convertible (300)?? How can you deny that car belongs on the list? |
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Location: Parts Unknown | I didn't make that list. I just copied it from the beginning of the thread. By all means, add the 57 Adventurer convertible !
As if I would DENY a 57-58 full size DeSoto ! |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Wait a minute ! What about the mock-up 57 Adventurer convertible 8 door airporter where the other side is a dump truck ? ! |
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Location: Central Alberta | Rarest FL Cars by Model and Body Style:
1957 and 1958 Dodge Mayfair convertible, production #`s for Mayfairs are 1957: 6931, 1958: 3002. Those #s include all bodystyles offered as Mayfair, 2 door and 4 door sedan, 2 door and 4 door htp, convertible and Station Wagons.
Your guess is as good as mine, but there would not have been more than a few hundred convertibles been made, so they would definately be up there in the top 20. More so than a Crusader two door.
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Location: Ny | It would be possible to find out how many 55 coronados were produced, but someone would have to get friendly with CHS and spend some quality time surfing the microfilm. There are only 115,000 or so Desotos to browse through for that model year.
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Location: The Mile High City | I have heard of Diplomats
I have heard of Adventurers
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Location: The Mile High City | Ok, here is what I have learned so far -
58 Windsor convertible (2)
58 Adventurer convertible (82)
59 Adventurer convertible (97)
59 300E convertible (140)
58 300D convertible (191)
60 300F convertible (248)
59 New Yorker convertible (286)
57 Adventurer convertible (300)
58 Fireflite Shopper (318)
61 300G convertible (337)
58 Adventurer coupe (350)
58 Town & Country 9p wagon (428)
59 Town & Country 6p wagon (444)
58 Fireflite convertible (474)
57 300C convertible (484)
58 LeBaron sedan (501)
61 Polara convertible (512)
58 Firedome convertible (519)
58 LeBaron South Hampton (538)
59 300E coupe (550)
60 New Yorker convertible (556)
59 Town & Country 9p wagon (564)
61 New Yorker convertible (576)
58 Fireflite Explorer (609)
58 300D coupe (618)
58 New Yorker convertible (666)
I am happy to add in the Fury convertibles, the Matador / Polara club sedans, and the Coronados if someone can pin down the numbers. I want to know more about the Diplomat Adventurers before we throw those numbers in. Is that an engine option for the Diplomats? If so, same deal as the D-501s! As stated earlier, we all know the Ghia limousines are rare and their numbers are listed on the Imperial site, so I didn't include them here.
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Location: Bjorneborg, Finland | > A Diplomat Adventurer?
> Is that an Adventurer-Powered Diplomat?
1959 saw first and last Adventurers in the Diplomat line. It was most glamorous Diplomat ever, DeSoto's version of the Plymouth Sport Fury. Standard engine was 318 Fury V8 with Power-Pak with 361 Golden Commando optional (source: Don Butler's The Plymouth and DeSoto Story) |
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Location: Vancouver, BC | Production of Fury convertibles is way too high to make this list. The first Fury convertbile was built in 1960. No Fury convertible was built during 1956 to 1959.
Total production of the 1960 Dodge Matador 2-door sedan came to 2.
The Coronado does not belong on this list as it was a trim package on the Fireflite and not a series. Which is why no one knows how many were built.
The 1959 DeSoto Diplomat Adventurer was a Sport Fury in Diplomat clothing, model MF2-P. A similar model appeared in the Kinsgway line - Kingsway Lancer, model ME2-P. Thanks to Don Butler we know how many MF2-P models were built. Total Plymouth production included Diplomat, Kinsway and Canadian Dodge models. Thus if you quote Diplomat, Kingsway, etc. figures you need to delete those figures from the Plymouth total. Chrysler of Canada did not offer a Dodge version of the Sport Fury. All 1959 Sport Fury models, included Diplomat and Kingsway versions, were built only in Detroit.
The 1958 Imperial LeBaron should be Southampton - one word.
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Location: Iowa USA | When foreign production models are in the picture it becomes very fuzzy.
Plymouth bodies with Desoto and Dodge trim and Dodge bodies with Desoto trim. Convertibles and station wagons offered in the Desoto line in 1960 and 61 when no such creature was marketed here in the states etc.
Granted many people would not even like to recognize them since they do not look like what the American production market saw. If the factory (here or there) put the name on when it was new then that is what it is even if it looks different. Some of them we may never know how many were produced?
In Australia the AP3 series had 1959 Desoto style rear quarters but was still being produced in 1962 with a 1954 era Plymouth cabin. In South Africa you could get a Desoto car in 1963! It's a mess, but every single one of those oddballs or bas***d children of Chrysler corporation is still a part of the family history. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | This topic begs multiple lists.
Standard production U.S. market cars
Standard production NON-U.S. market cars (probably breaks out into yet more separate lists of different cars)
Prototypes, show cars, and mock-ups
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Location: The Mile High City | Updated
60 Matador club sedan (2)
58 Windsor convertible (2)
58 Adventurer convertible (82)
59 Adventurer convertible (97)
59 300E convertible (140)
58 300D convertible (191)
60 300F convertible (248)
59 New Yorker convertible (286)
57 Adventurer convertible (300)
58 Fireflite Shopper (318)
61 300G convertible (337)
58 Adventurer coupe (350)
58 Town & Country 9p wagon (428)
59 Town & Country 6p wagon (444)
58 Fireflite convertible (474)
57 300C convertible (484)
58 LeBaron sedan (501)
61 Polara convertible (512)
58 Firedome convertible (519)
58 LeBaron Southampton (538)
59 300E coupe (550)
60 New Yorker convertible (556)
59 Town & Country 9p wagon (564)
61 New Yorker convertible (576)
58 Fireflite Explorer (609)
58 300D coupe (618)
58 New Yorker convertible (666)
So, do the 59 Diplomat Adventurer coupe (14) and convertible (8) belong on the list or are we talking about the Coronado of the Plymouth world? Maybe Doc and Lee are on to something with the separate lists. The above list looks like regular U.S. production.
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Location: Parts Unknown | 58 Windsor convertibles belong in the Plymouth Coronado world. No John Q. Public could buy one of these.
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Location: The Mile High City | Well, Doc - if anyone in the wide world of sports owns either a 58 Windsor convertible or a 60 Matador club sedan and that car is properly coded as authentic from the factory (which it certainly could be), they own the legitimate Mother of all forward look rarities and deserve all the kudos they get! I say we keep 'em. I wouldn't call them one-of-a-kinds or mock-ups because they are listed by Ma MoPar herself in the total production figures for Chrysler and Dodge.
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Location: Ny | I would certainly give the Coronado more credit than being just a fancy trim level. The car was given it's very own body # to be stamped on the data plates. From what I know, trim levels were not given this distinction, were they? I would say it is a good argument that the Coronado is more than "just a trim level", but then again we cannot know the production numbers as it was lumped in with all 4 door sedan fireflites produced.
I'd be interested in taking on the challenge of trying to find out the production numbers for the Coronado. I can try to contact CHS and see what sort of direction they may be able to point me. I am assuming that the only way to find out would be to sort through all of their IBM cards available on microfilm. I don't think there would be a way to track dealer orders, at Chryslers end. The information on the dealer end is likely long gone, as are the dealerships themselves. I've never tracked this sort of thing before... and I assume it takes years upon years to amass a decent portion of information. Is there anyone who has "been there" able to give me some pointers? It strikes personal interest for me since I own one. |
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