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g80panthera
Posted 2019-03-12 2:09 AM (#579224 - in reply to #256768)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Oil Filter/Cartridge Question?



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Location: Longpont sur Orge, France		Hi,

I visited the Hothemiheads website and didn't see anything for my 318 A engine.

Thank's
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Chrome58
Posted 2019-03-12 4:50 AM (#579226 - in reply to #256768)
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-12 9:13 AM (#579232 - in reply to #579224)
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g80panthera - 2019-12-11 11:09 PM

Hi, I visited the Hothemiheads website and didn't see anything for my 318 A engine.

Thank's


What I was hoping was that you would phone them and ask.

Sometimes the easiest solution is the best.

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Powerflite
Posted 2019-03-12 9:37 AM (#579234 - in reply to #256768)
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Location: So. Cal		Or, you could just purchase this one. Kind of pricey, but available.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mopar-318-Poly-Oil-Filter-adapter-coupler/1...
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g80panthera
Posted 2019-03-12 1:19 PM (#579245 - in reply to #256768)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Oil Filter/Cartridge Question?



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Location: Longpont sur Orge, France		Hi,

I tried send an email to Hothemiheads (my american language is not good at phone, better to write for me) but my email was rejected.

I already saw ebay adapter but the price, WHOW, and for me I have to add shipment and taxe. very very expensive.

Thank you
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normsclassicradio
Posted 2019-03-12 1:42 PM (#579246 - in reply to #256768)
Subject: RE: 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Oil Filter/Cartridge Question?



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Location: Kalispell, MT USA		OEM Part numbers from 1964 A engine
Plate 2402103
Adapter fitting 1739619 or 3671602
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-12 1:47 PM (#579247 - in reply to #579245)
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g80panthera - 2019-12-12 10:19 AM

Hi, I tried send an email to Hothemiheads (my american language is not good at phone, better to write for me) but my email was rejected.



Sorry. I forgot that you were in France. I just called Hot Hemi Heads in the States and asked about the poly filter adapter and the answer was no, that it not something that they are doing (or have ever done).

He did say that I should contact Chrysler Firepower Magazine because they are making parts. Well after a lot of false leads, I finally figured out that it was Chrysler Power Magazine (no "Fire"). I called their phone number and got a hold of one of their tech support guys. I explained what I was looking for (on behalf of a guy in France with a 64 318 poly) and the response was "That adapter plate is the same as the ones that they used on the LA engines". That means the 318 LA, the 340, the 360, the LA 400 and maybe the later Magnum engines. That should make it easy.

To remind ourselves, this is what you are looking for. Plus the gasket.



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-12 1:55 PM (#579248 - in reply to #579247)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Oil Filter/Cartridge Question?



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Location: Lower Mainland BC		Based on searching for LA 318/340/360 parts, you will find:

1. The plate:

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/NOS-Mopar-1956-1992-Plymouth-Dodge-273-318-3...

2. The nipple:

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/NEW-318-340-360-Oil-Filter-Block-Adapter-Fit...

3. The gaskets:

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/MOPAR-LA-Engine-Chrysler-Gaskets-Angle-Oil-F...



Hope that helps



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normsclassicradio
Posted 2019-03-12 2:03 PM (#579250 - in reply to #579248)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Oil Filter/Cartridge Question?



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Location: Kalispell, MT USA		A search of the OE number 2402103 found this high flow version:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B019XBZD8A/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=U...

https://www.hrpworld.com/can22-575-sb-mopar-filter-plate-replaces-mo...

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Powerflite
Posted 2019-03-12 2:05 PM (#579251 - in reply to #256768)
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Location: So. Cal		Using the part numbers, I was able to find both parts from Summitracing.com Total price is $73 for both parts. Or, you could always make an offer on that other one. I would offer him $45 and see what happens.

Filter connector: https://www.summitracing.com/oh/parts/cwa-53007563ab/overview/
Filter plate: https://www.summitracing.com/oh/parts/ctr-22-575

Edit: Looks like we all found them once the part numbers were revealed.

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normsclassicradio
Posted 2019-03-12 2:17 PM (#579252 - in reply to #579251)
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Location: Kalispell, MT USA		53007563AB for the fitting is a current part number thru FCA, MSRP $10.60 Available thru your local Dodge dealer. Though maybe not in Europe?

Edit: latest plate part number (2002 LA engine) 53021053 MSRP $6.75, also still available thru FCA dealers.

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g80panthera
Posted 2019-03-13 2:41 AM (#579275 - in reply to #256768)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Oil Filter/Cartridge Question?



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Location: Longpont sur Orge, France		Hello guys,

I'm very happy about your help. I wrote a ebay seller to buy the 3 items in only one order.
I'll post you the result to confirm that's fit.

Hope that oil leak at filter will forget with this adapter.

Thank a lot for your time.

Fabrice
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-14 4:32 PM (#579323 - in reply to #579275)
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g80panthera - 2019-12-12 11:41 PM

I'm very happy about your help. I wrote a ebay seller to buy the 3 items in only one order.
I'll post you the result to confirm that's fit. Fabrice


Fabrice: As per my email yesterday, hold off on buying the plate and adapter off eBay. I bought a plate and adapter yesterday and picked them up today. I am going out now to mail them to you using the address you sent me.

Hope it all works.

Dave F.



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-14 6:59 PM (#579324 - in reply to #579251)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Oil Filter/Cartridge Question?



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Powerflite - 2019-12-12 11:05 AM

Using the part numbers, I was able to find both parts from Summitracing.com Total price is $73 for both parts. Or, you could always make an offer on that other one. I would offer him $45 and see what happens.

Filter connector: https://www.summitracing.com/oh/parts/cwa-53007563ab/overview/
Filter plate: https://www.summitracing.com/oh/parts/ctr-22-575

Edit: Looks like we all found them once the part numbers were revealed.


I've bought the two parts from a Dodge Dealer for a third of that price and shipped them to Fabrice this afternoon.

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g80panthera
Posted 2019-03-15 3:19 AM (#579362 - in reply to #256768)
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Location: Longpont sur Orge, France		Hello Dave,

As already said, thank you very much to you. It's very friendly
I'll sent picture after conversion.

Fabrice
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normsclassicradio
Posted 2019-03-15 1:05 PM (#579379 - in reply to #579324)
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Posted 2019-03-15 1:55 PM (#579380 - in reply to #579379)
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normsclassicradio - 2019-03-15 10:05 AM
To bad Canadian prices are more. It's like our escalated price matrix here in the US.


Not really "more". It's just the exchange rate. 1 CDN $ = US$ 0.75, i.e. 1.33 factor, i.e. US$6.76 = CDN$9.00, a factor that I have to live with every day.

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g80panthera
Posted 2019-04-23 3:45 PM (#581255 - in reply to #256768)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Oil Filter/Cartridge Question?



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Location: Longpont sur Orge, France		Hi All,

I tried the adapter today and the result was very bad (as Niagara falls with oil). I was very short in time as I work outside, I put the original filter: it's our daily car. But I will try the next time with more time and I hope inside with car lifter.

Thank you, Fabrice
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normsclassicradio
Posted 2019-04-23 4:34 PM (#581263 - in reply to #256768)
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Location: Kalispell, MT USA		I forgot to mention the paper gasket that goes under the plate. Mopar 53020461AB. Discontinued thru FCA, but Fel-Pro makes one part # 70522.



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-04-23 6:16 PM (#581275 - in reply to #581263)
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normsclassicradio - 2019-04-23 1:34 PM
I forgot to mention the paper gasket that goes under the plate. Mopar 53020461AB. Discontinued thru FCA, but Fel-Pro makes one part # 70522.


I think we flagged the gaskets to Fabrice back when, I know I did.

56D500boy - 2019-03-12 10:55 AM
Based on searching for LA 318/340/360 parts, you will find:
1. The plate:
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/NOS-Mopar-1956-1992-Plymouth-Dodge-273-318-3...
2. The nipple:
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/NEW-318-340-360-Oil-Filter-Block-Adapter-Fit...
3. The gaskets:
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/MOPAR-LA-Engine-Chrysler-Gaskets-Angle-Oil-F...


https://www.ebay.ie/itm/372597825645?ul_noapp=true





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Mopar1
Posted 2019-04-24 6:35 AM (#581292 - in reply to #581275)
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Posted 2019-04-24 8:37 AM (#581296 - in reply to #581292)
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Mopar1 - 2019-04-24 3:35 AM

If you were here you could go to any junk yard & take one off any LA in the yard.


Small problem. Fabrice is in France.



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Mopar1
Posted 2019-04-24 6:30 PM (#581314 - in reply to #581296)
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Mopar1 - 2019-04-24 3:35 AM

If you were here you could go to any junk yard & take one off any LA in the yard.


Small problem. Fabrice is in France.

:(
That's why I said "If you were here"....
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g80panthera
Posted 2019-04-25 4:45 AM (#581332 - in reply to #256768)
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Location: Longpont sur Orge, France		Hello All,

Yes, in France, yunk yards for american car are rare. I already used the Fel Pro 70522.

Thank you for your support, Fabrice

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Posted 2019-07-07 2:45 AM (#584511 - in reply to #256768)
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Posted 2021-04-29 5:48 PM (#611557 - in reply to #581255)
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Posted 2024-07-04 11:36 AM (#635990 - in reply to #256768)
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Posted 2024-07-04 11:43 AM (#635995 - in reply to #256768)
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Posted 2024-07-04 11:51 AM (#635999 - in reply to #635995)
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Posted 2024-07-04 5:18 PM (#636009 - in reply to #256768)
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Posted 2024-07-04 7:47 PM (#636015 - in reply to #636009)
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Instruction sheet from my no-longer-available Fram K21 kit. Adaptor plate is 4 5/8".

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Posted 2024-07-05 1:24 PM (#636029 - in reply to #636015)
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Instruction sheet from my no-longer-available Fram K21 kit. Adaptor plate is 4 5/8".


The K21 kits *ARE* still available.

https://www.thewrenchmonkey.com/products/auto-parts/fram/k21/





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Posted 2024-07-05 4:50 PM (#636031 - in reply to #636029)
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They must've found some old stock in a warehouse. I know Fram hasn't made these kits in years. Can someone report back when they receive their order ? Just to see that this website is legit and they really have them in stock.

Ron

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Posted 2024-07-05 6:29 PM (#636032 - in reply to #636031)
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I tried ordering from this website and it's broken. It throws an error when it tries to calculate shipping cost and says that I have to call them. WTF ? Anyone have better luck ?

Ron

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Posted 2024-07-06 2:48 AM (#636040 - in reply to #636032)
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand.		If you have any luck I’d buy one too Ron. This one is the correct style. The other one mentioned above doesn’t work. I know because I tried one. It bottoms out on the boss hole before the seal area contacts, as mentioned above by someone else who tried it. People keep recommending the wrong one with no experience that they don’t work!
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Posted 2024-07-06 2:11 PM (#636041 - in reply to #636040)
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FURY - 2024-07-06 2:48 AM If you have any luck I’d buy one too Ron. This one is the correct style. The other one mentioned above doesn’t work. I know because I tried one. It bottoms out on the boss hole before the seal area contacts, as mentioned above by someone else who tried it. People keep recommending the wrong one with no experience that they don’t work!

Yes, the K21 kit is correct. I know that because I installed one on my Plymouth over 30 years ago without problems.

I'll call them on Monday to see what the deal is with their website. Also to confirm that they really have them in stock.

Ron

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Posted 2024-07-06 5:23 PM (#636043 - in reply to #256768)
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Posted 2024-07-06 5:38 PM (#636044 - in reply to #636043)
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madfins - 2024-07-06 5:23 PM Ron, I would also be interested in one if it is a legit offer.

You should try to order off their website to see if you're more successful than I was.

Ron

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Posted 2024-07-06 6:06 PM (#636045 - in reply to #636044)
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Posted 2024-07-06 6:22 PM (#636046 - in reply to #636045)
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Ron, yes I have tried their website, many of the links to pages on it do not function.
I have never experienced so much hassle in buying a car part, or so much misinformation incorrectly recommended that part above from people who have no experience with it, which is not correct and does not work on early style 318’s…
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Posted 2024-07-06 7:48 PM (#636047 - in reply to #636044)
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Ron,

Just did and only got as far as you did when it tried to calculate shipping after entering my zip code, indicated I should call, etc.

The other odd thing was that it was selling for $32+.

However, when I clicked on it to order the adapter the price that appeared on the screen when I was calculating shipping was now $30+ instead of $32+.

Hopefully nothing nefarious has been placed on either of our computers just by clicking on the first screen.
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Posted 2024-07-06 10:14 PM (#636048 - in reply to #636047)
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madfins - 2024-07-06 7:48 PM Ron, Just did and only got as far as you did when it tried to calculate shipping after entering my zip code, indicated I should call, etc. The other odd thing was that it was selling for $32+. However, when I clicked on it to order the adapter the price that appeared on the screen when I was calculating shipping was now $30+ instead of $32+. Hopefully nothing nefarious has been placed on either of our computers just by clicking on the first screen.

The reason for the price change is because initially the price is quoted in CAN $$$. But when you click on the part, it translates the price into USD.

Glenn - Agree. Too many people want to show how 'smart' they are without ever having done the conversion or even seen the kit in question.

Ron

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Posted 2024-07-06 10:38 PM (#636049 - in reply to #636048)
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Posted 2024-07-06 10:41 PM (#636050 - in reply to #636046)
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Unfortunately I can’t. I’m in New Zealand and our wrecking yards are full of nothing but broken Jap cars.
318s were plentiful in Australia, guess not in N.Z....
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Posted 2024-07-07 12:23 AM (#636051 - in reply to #636049)
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Mopar1 - 2024-07-07 2:38 PM

https://www.hoffmanswinnerscircle.com/10_engine_oiling.htm https://www.classicindustries.com/product/all-years/dodge/charger/pa...
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Posted 2024-07-07 10:12 AM (#636052 - in reply to #636051)
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Wrong. Will not fit an early 318! It even mentions in the listing the years it fits.

Mopar1 - 2024-07-07 2:38 PM

https://www.hoffmanswinnerscircle.com/10_engine_oiling.htm https://www.classicindustries.com/product/all-years/dodge/charger/pa... it won't fit modern Magnum engines, only thing I see.
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Posted 2024-07-07 4:14 PM (#636061 - in reply to #636052)
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There are two styles of these oil filter conversion kits.
The type of oil filter conversion kit you keep recommending DOES NOT WORK on the early style 318!!!
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Posted 2024-07-08 3:52 AM (#636068 - in reply to #636061)
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Location: So. Cal		I thought the two versions were the A-LA version and the Magnum version. Are you saying that there are 3 different versions?

But if you can't find the old kit, the one from Summit that I originally suggested doesn't look like it would have clearance issues, and it's still available. But I haven't tried it.
https://www.summitracing.com/oh/parts/ctr-22-575


Edited by Powerflite 2024-07-08 12:47 PM
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Posted 2024-07-08 10:47 AM (#636073 - in reply to #636068)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Belvedere Oil Filter/Cartridge Question?


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Just go off the phone with WrenchMonkey. As I suspected, they are no longer available. I requested that they update their website.

Ron

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