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sparky7
Posted 2011-03-15 5:24 PM (#264754 - in reply to #264732)
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About the station wagon design . . .

In the studio B&W photo, it looks like the car they started with is --more or less-- a Dodge 4 dr. HT, with a wagon roof line added.

Unfortunately it looks as if John's wagon concept is rendered on the side of the car facing away from the camera, as you can see by the hint of that prominent fin showing through the glass. . . .

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djMikulec
Posted 2011-03-27 8:18 PM (#266171 - in reply to #259194)
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I've thoroughly enjoyed reading Mr. Samsen's posts, it's been like going back in time. Quite insightful. And I do have a question for him that I hope fits in... I pose it here because the car, the '63 Newport seems to have several styling features that were at the least inspired by Exner's Forward Look era, namely the grill, headlamp treatment and the inset rear bumper with the surrounding trim highlighting. My question... the rear of the car seems to have been an afterthought and doesn't quite seem to match the rest of the car's lines. And, at top rear of each quarter panel are partial indentations, as if something else had been planned, perhaps an Imperial style tail-lamp treatment or even fins? I recently made a deal for one of these cars, she's a true survivor and am naturally curious as to it's design history and inspiration.

And I love the instrument panel's wrap around design, layout and round gauges. Very cool.

 

 

 

 

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Chrycoman
Posted 2011-03-27 9:39 PM (#266182 - in reply to #266171)
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djMikulec - 2011-03-27 8:18 PM

I've thoroughly enjoyed reading Mr. Samsen's posts, it's been like going back in time. Quite insightful. And I do have a question for him that I hope fits in... I pose it here because the car, the '63 Newport seems to have several styling features that were at the least inspired by Exner's Forward Look era, namely the grill, headlamp treatment and the inset rear bumper with the surrounding trim highlighting. My question... the rear of the car seems to have been an afterthought and doesn't quite seem to match the rest of the car's lines. And, at top rear of each quarter panel are partial indentations, as if something else had been planned, perhaps an Imperial style tail-lamp treatment or even fins? I recently made a deal for one of these cars, she's a true survivor and am naturally curious as to it's design history and inspiration.

And I love the instrument panel's wrap around design, layout and round gauges. Very cool.



Yes, the original design, as done under Virgil Exner, was to have been a 1962 Imperial with curved side glass, front windshield similar to what was used on the 1962-63 Plymouths and Dodges, and taillights harking back to 1955-56. Earlier Mr. Samsen showed an illustration of what was to be the 1963 Imperial, basically Exner's 1962 design cleaned up - cowl and windshield from 1960-62 Chrysler, taillamps faired into the body and no more side curved glass. The trim on the front fender was used on the 1963 Chrysler New Yorker. When you compare the original Exner 1962 Imperial, with Mr. Samsen's 1963 Imperial and the production 1963 Chrysler you can how the car's design progressed from start to finish.

The small rear window is another item carried over from the Imperial while the round headlamp doors on the 1963 were derived from the Imperial's move away from the separate headlamp units on the 1961 Imperial. And just as the original 1962 Imperial was to bring back the tailights of 1955-56, the instrument panel of the 1963-64 Chrysler was an update of the 1955-1956 DeSoto panel.

For 1964 the the rear window was enlarged and small fins added to give the car a more square appearance from the side - getting away from the sloping rear decks on the original series 'S' designs.
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Chrycoman
Posted 2011-03-27 10:07 PM (#266189 - in reply to #266182)
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The first is the original design in July 1959 for 1962.

The second is the one by Mr. Samsen in 1960 for 1963, as submitted by him in an earlier post.

You can see the difference in the front windshield and cowl along with the flat side glass. The 1960 rendition has the fender lines integrated with the body and flowing through from front to rear. The rear sloping deck is still there with the Imperial tailliamps more integrated with the body. The roof line is virtually identical to what the production 1963 New Yorker had.




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RDP
Posted 2012-12-15 10:49 AM (#351297 - in reply to #259194)
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mopardave
Posted 2012-12-15 3:20 PM (#351329 - in reply to #259194)
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55CRL
Posted 2012-12-15 3:44 PM (#351334 - in reply to #259194)
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Location: Magra, Sweden		Looking at Mr. Samsens rendering for 63 Imperial I can see the roof and C-pillar design was reused on the 65-66 Dart hardtops.

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RDP
Posted 2013-05-25 1:58 PM (#377096 - in reply to #259194)
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dlvh
Posted 2014-05-21 12:02 PM (#441748 - in reply to #259194)
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Location: Michigan, USA		I'd love to see more of these from the 57-60 Plymouth line. Are those somewhere to be found?
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RDP
Posted 2022-06-09 1:03 PM (#622009 - in reply to #259194)
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