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Posted 2011-05-06 5:25 PM (#271359 - in reply to #269372)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-04-20 11:12 PM

I am going to paint the DeSoto an OEM Spring Special original color ... that lilac metallic



i believe the sales brochures called it san francisco sundown...
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Posted 2011-05-06 10:01 PM (#271413 - in reply to #269241)
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I might have missed it, but have you determined about when the car was last registered or driven? Did the old newspapers or paperwork give any clues?

I love how these cars can sit around for decades in the desert and still be salvagable. Leave a car sitting around in the Midwest for a decade or two and it is barely recognizable as a car.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-05-07 1:27 AM (#271436 - in reply to #271413)
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The car was last tagged in 1964 and John informs me that paperwork in the car indicates
that the last registered owner was one Barbara L. Parrish of Anaheim, California. The seller
indicated "an old man" died in 1964 it was never driven again, ending up inside a fenced
lot behind a furniture store in Parker, Arizona where it sat for many years until an heir of
the furniture store owner liquidated the property and the seller got the car.

I suspect the discrepancy of "the old man" vs. Barbara Parrish is that the car left Ms. Parrish's
hands and came to be held by this "old man" who owned the furniture store. More digging
needed. In the meantime, it looks like John has been giving the car a thorough flush and we
will be able to see just what kind of work is going to be needed to make this stripper a go.

Thanks John, for all the work. This is getting exciting !
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big m
Posted 2011-05-10 3:16 PM (#271951 - in reply to #267400)
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Brent, here is the latest on your '58.

I drained about 3 gallons of varnished fuel from the tank, and sprayed lacquer thinner up into it to wash out the residue while the drain plug was out. Nice clean tank, will need no further attention from what I can see.

The transmission fluid was almost a yellow color, and ther were only a few quarts in the trans itself. When I removed the drain plug from the converter, nothing came out until I poked a scredriver in through the hole. There was some sediment blocking it. About five quarts were drained from here. The oil pan also had sludge on the bottom, and I let it drain for several hours until it was empty. I then added five quarts of ATF to the transmission, and one quart to the engine, along with four quarts of oil. The quart of ATF will help to dissolve deposits left in the engine.

I hooked an external fuel can to the inlet of the fuel pump, found a radiator, fan, pulley, and generator and installed these, as they were missing. There were several plug wires missing, and these were the original wires, as the number one wire has the red boot on it, very brittle from age. I sourced another set from another car to use. When I removed the cap, I found that the spring loaded center terminal had been loose, causing arcing, and burning the center of the distributor cap. There was no way it could have run well like this. I filled the radiator with water, which immediately ran out the weep hole in the water pump. When I cranked the engine over by jumpering the solenoid, the fuel pump also decided to spew, the diaphragm must have had a hole in it. I disconnected the fuel line from the can to prevent all my fuel leaking away, and hooked the line directly to the carburetor inlet.

A little bit more fiddling around, and I was able to get the engine up and running, after a few minutes, it cleared up and sounded pretty good, except for the exhaust leaks, of course. The transmission went right into forward gear, even with just five quarts of fluid. The capacity of the trans and converter is closer to ten quarts. I tried to get the car out of gear, but the shifter mechanism, and, or, the shifter cable is frozen solid. All the years with a broken windshield is bound to do this. My next job will be to remove this assembly, and repair or unstick what is bound.

---John
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-05-11 12:01 AM (#272024 - in reply to #271951)
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Hot darn, John ! That is great !
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big m
Posted 2011-05-23 5:27 PM (#273651 - in reply to #267400)
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After loading M'lisa's car on a trailer for transport to her body shop[ where she can finish buffing the paint easier] I moved your Plaza back into the barn, and disassembled the pushbutton keyboard, and lubed the cable as well. I got everything to work properly, but the cable would not move in its housing. I could rotate the cable by twisting it, so the problem was inside the transmission.

I removed the pan, and drained the five quarts of new fluid, and what I saw in the pan did not look good. I took a few photos of the pan’s contents, and valve body of the transmission. The valve body is gummed solid and was not allowing the cable to move it at all. Being that the car went immediately into forward gear once the engine was started, the cable was stuck in the low gear position.

The sediments are very strange, I have only seen this once before on a car that had been parked for over 40 years, you can take this stuff between your fingers and squeeze it, and it turns back to a fluid, it is not friction material. My thinking is that the fluid broke down after all these years, and the deposits clung to the pan and lower areas on the transmission. The stuff I originally drained was a yellowish clear color. I will remove the valve body, clean everything thoroughly, and see if this unit cannot be saved and made functional again.

---John




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oldwood
Posted 2011-05-25 11:04 AM (#273857 - in reply to #273651)
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Great Thread.
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big m
Posted 2011-05-25 1:36 PM (#273880 - in reply to #267400)
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I dropped the valve body, cleaned everything thoroughly, cleaned the pan and filter. I'll reassemble it tonight and see if the transmission works.

---John
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-05-25 10:14 PM (#273963 - in reply to #273880)
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Thanks John.

Make sure you give me a number so I can get $$ for your time and materials.


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Posted 2011-05-26 12:04 AM (#273981 - in reply to #267400)
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Just stumbled across this thread, good stuff! Nice find Doc and you sent it to the best place on earth until you return!

Cheers.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-05-26 4:12 AM (#274000 - in reply to #273981)
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Hehehehe!

John might look a little scruffy, and has been known to paint a Fury red, but I like his jingle:

"Big M Auto-kind of like Disneyland, 'cept the rides don't work"


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big m
Posted 2011-05-26 12:20 PM (#274057 - in reply to #267400)
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Good news, Brent!

I added five quarts of fluid, and poured some fuel into my external fuel tank, and fired the engine up. I do not have the shifter keyboard reinstalled, but by moving the cable in its housing, the transmission went directly into forward, and reverse. I added another quart or two, and cycled the gears until the engine warmed up. Hard to tell the shift points while being on stands, but everything seemed good.

I'll order a pan gasket, and drain the converter and pan again to remove any contaminants that may have loosened up during this process.

---John
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-05-26 1:55 PM (#274072 - in reply to #274057)
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That is good news! What did you use to soak the valve body in ?


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big m
Posted 2011-05-26 5:34 PM (#274114 - in reply to #274072)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-05-26 10:55 AM

That is good news! What did you use to soak the valve body in ?




I used lacquer thinner, followed by carburetor cleaner spray.

---John
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-05-26 10:28 PM (#274146 - in reply to #274114)
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With the ATF turning to alien spuzz, I was wondering what cut it. Ever messed with two
part epoxies and unless you use just the right thinner, it gums up like hell and is nothing
but a giant, sticky mess ?
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phurious
Posted 2011-05-28 1:01 AM (#274285 - in reply to #273880)
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big m - 2011-05-25 1:36 PM

I dropped the valve body, cleaned everything thoroughly, cleaned the pan and filter. I'll reassemble it tonight and see if the transmission works.

---John


John, I hope you kept the material that you removed. That stuff is like gold, and goes great on toast too...
Cheers Doc, sweet Plaza!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-05-28 3:14 AM (#274289 - in reply to #274285)
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Can you use "sweet" and "Plaza" in a proper English sentence ?

Watch me break the low performance barrier in my "Buzzard Puke Green" fleet machine.
Fastest grocery gitter this side of the Pecos.

Credits to Canman for "Buzzard Puke Green". Great name.



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Finsinthemirror
Posted 2011-06-10 4:49 PM (#276295 - in reply to #267400)
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Any updates? I'm loving this thread and seeing the less popular cars get resurrected!
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big m
Posted 2011-06-10 9:02 PM (#276310 - in reply to #276295)
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Finsinthemirror - 2011-06-10 1:49 PM

Any updates? I'm loving this thread and seeing the less popular cars get resurrected!


I've been out in Texas for the last week and a half, but will get back on Brent's '58 shortly. I'll be sure to post when I do!

---John
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-06-11 1:38 AM (#276330 - in reply to #276310)
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Loafing again ?

What a slacker !
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Posted 2011-06-16 9:06 AM (#276878 - in reply to #267400)
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Let's get this straight....Doc is off fighting the bad guys, but finds time to buy an old "vanilla" Plymouth. John (Big M) being the nice guy that he is goes and gets the car and agrees to store it for Doc until he comes home. In the meantime, John starts working on Doc's new toy, trying to get it to run, etc. Sheet, by the time Doc gets home, John will have the darn thing fully restored. Anybody else see a "sweet deal" emerging here? Hey, John, can you "store" my '57 Chrysler while I go do some necessary travel...I'd like the exhaust to be a little throaty, but no other real demands. (LOL)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-06-16 1:24 PM (#276897 - in reply to #276878)
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Actually, it is a behind-the-scenes deal .... M'Lisa told me John was driving her nuts. Just
wandering around the house with nothing to do. So a scheme was hatched to give John a
little project to work on to keep him out of trouble and out of the bingo hall. This IS in John's
best interest, you know! I'm only here to help.


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oldwood
Posted 2011-06-16 2:38 PM (#276910 - in reply to #276897)
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I know a Congressman who is looking for work. His has a reputation of being good with his tools!!!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-06-16 3:49 PM (#276919 - in reply to #276910)
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My attention is taken. Go ahead and work with Mr. Skivvy. Thanks.
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big m
Posted 2011-07-05 1:03 PM (#279248 - in reply to #267400)
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A bit more progress this weekend.

I removed and replaced the leaking water and fuel pumps, of course, the aftermarket compressor needed removal to gain access. No surprises here, but did find the parts store had given me the wrong lower radiator hose, so I was unable to pressurize the system to check for leaks. Going to replace all heater hoses as well as the bypass, as they are brittle.

I drained the converter and trans pan, and replaced the pan gasket, then refilled the system. there was not much crud this time, so this looks to be a success.

Next, I removed the old brittle windshield gasket, there was an enormous amount of sand, broken glass bits, and other debris in the window channel so I cleaned those areas carefully. One small abrasive bit can cause the replacement glass to crack. I found a supple gasket in a station wagon out in the yard, removed it, and cleaned it first with Westley's tire cleaner, and then warm, soapy water. I laid it on the deck of a '64 merc in the hot sun, it dried out quickly in the 100 degree heat here.
I had a good clear windshield in the glass rack that I removed from a '57 Plymouth that I cut up some time ago, so I set it over a plastic barrel, applied a bit of windshield sealant to the edge of the glass, and installed the gasket, which was now quite hot and pliable. Allan was her to help set it in place, and after a bit of work, it was now in place.

---John



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Posted 2011-07-06 11:34 PM (#279451 - in reply to #279248)
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This explains why when I asked John if he could help me on my olds he said he was busy. Your car will be put on hold now until the olds is finished and ready for the Nationals in Reno at the end of July. I might let him finish working on your car if he has time after he has finished the "honey, do this or face the consequences" list I will have for him for putting me off!

John's loving wife, M'Lisa
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-07-07 2:04 PM (#279503 - in reply to #279451)
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Posted 2011-07-08 12:11 AM (#279575 - in reply to #267400)
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M'Lisa,

That's just whining, and worrying.

Ol' John will get it done in time. A little space, now!

Mike
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Finsinthemirror
Posted 2011-07-08 1:01 AM (#279582 - in reply to #279575)
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I sure wish I could have been there to watch that windshield install. I've got to do that eventually..
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-07-08 3:34 AM (#279604 - in reply to #279582)
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John, Thanks for "risking it all" like this to put my car back together. I owe you, Bud !
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big m
Posted 2011-07-11 9:08 PM (#280153 - in reply to #267400)
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ROTFLMAO!!

---John
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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2011-08-29 10:06 PM (#286734 - in reply to #267400)
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This is a great thread!

"Doctor DeSoto" congrats on finding and saving this stripper Plymouth.I'm sure you (and John) saved this cars life.
Its refreshing to see what some regard as a "parts car" getting respect.

I cant believe how much John has got done already,at this rate by the time you take possesion of it you'll be able to fly out and drive it home!!

Gotta love the old milk carton and assorted food cans! it looks like someone drove to the market 35+ years ago and forgot to bring in the groceries.

Hope you're able to find out more history on the car.


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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-08-30 11:17 AM (#286772 - in reply to #286734)
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I am going to "do" this car for the wifeperson. She has become a real fin fan and fell in love
with Colin's 57 while down under. She tends to like the toadier looking cars anyway, so this
dumpy old sedan in buzzard puke green is a natural !

Gonna send out to SMS for the interior and while that is "being processed", do some rust repair,
and toss some paint on it, fixing what little things need love along the way.
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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2011-08-30 1:28 PM (#286786 - in reply to #286772)
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Finding a lady who is a fin fan and understands the forward look obsession is almost as hard as finding a rust free '58 Plymouth!

I'm sure she'll love this Plaza and have a blast driving it around...just be sure she takes the groceries out of the trunk after she goes to the market!

Who makes the aftermarket A/C unit?

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Matthew Keij
Posted 2011-08-30 10:55 PM (#286901 - in reply to #267400)
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I just saw your car as I was visiting John. It's looking good, even got some pics of it.

Nice full size hubcaps are on it, radio and clock are waiting in the front seat. You have some nice options there
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Posted 2011-09-01 6:46 AM (#287091 - in reply to #286901)
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Matthew Keij - 2011-08-31 7:55 PM

Nice full size hubcaps are on it, radio and clock are waiting in the front seat. You have some nice options there :bleh:


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Blasphemy !!!!
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big m
Posted 2011-09-01 5:05 PM (#287183 - in reply to #267400)
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I'll probably have a bit of time for the Plaza this weekend, Brent. I am waiting on wheel cylinders for the '59 Dodge, they may not be in for a bit.

Basically, the main things I have left to do is to put fresh oil and filter in, pressure test the cooling system, as I've already changed hoses and waterpump. Also, I want the car to be able to start and run on its own without using jumper wires, so I'll have a minimum of installing a starter solenoid and ignition switch too.

I am not going to restore the car, but want to get it into a preserved state until you get back home and can pick it up.

---John
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-09-04 11:51 AM (#287524 - in reply to #287183)
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Thanks John.
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Matthew Keij
Posted 2011-09-05 12:06 PM (#287636 - in reply to #267400)
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I'll post my pics when I get home.

At the west palm beach airport now, heading for Philly first and them in going to Europe again
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Posted 2011-09-08 11:45 AM (#288004 - in reply to #287636)
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Where's those pix ?
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Matthew Keij
Posted 2011-09-08 10:49 PM (#288118 - in reply to #267400)
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Oh yeah! darn. I'll try to do it tomorrow night. Been busy with the vert.

My apologies! Don't shoot me :p
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-09-19 11:05 AM (#289276 - in reply to #288118)
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Hey Matthew, ... still busy with that "vert" ?
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Matthew Keij
Posted 2011-09-19 6:31 PM (#289330 - in reply to #267400)
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Yeah! Including back problems. She is almost done. Dash pad needs to be installed and some other small things.

I might have some time tomorrow. Now hoping I can upload them as I've got a lot of upload problems

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2011-09-20 2:34 AM (#289381 - in reply to #289330)
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Roger that.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-02-28 5:38 AM (#309947 - in reply to #289381)
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Well, ... been a long time since there was any news. But while home on leave, got to
visit the BIG M Ranch and check out the Plaza. Saw the most solid trunk floor I have ever
seen ! Got a few other issues, but overall, a pretty sweet starting point for another Christine !

Here's a few shots. It was getting late in the day by the time we got there, so the shadows
are running pretty long. Oh well, ... beats the view from AFG !



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-02-28 5:40 AM (#309948 - in reply to #309947)
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And one of my favorite "accessories" ...



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Posted 2012-02-28 6:25 AM (#309950 - in reply to #309948)
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One of the primary mission objectives for the visit was to procure fabric samples
to forward to SMS to have made with a good lead time before needed. I was
informed by Doug at SMS that the vinyl is correct, but the fabric is period seatcover
material. He offered either this or the original fabric in stock, so all was for naught !


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Posted 2012-02-28 12:10 PM (#309981 - in reply to #267400)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-03-18 3:01 AM (#312644 - in reply to #309981)
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With all the craziness you read in the news about Q'ran burnings and solidiers shooting up villagers,
we've been a little distracted and I have not followed up on the fabric issue until now.

SMS has samples and yardage specs en route. All material is in stock, including the patterned
door panel inserts. Will be home in May to have a look.
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Posted 2012-03-18 4:29 PM (#312693 - in reply to #267400)
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