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LD3 Greg
Posted 2013-12-11 4:16 PM (#415690 - in reply to #415689)
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Wonderful thread, Paul, thanks for directing me here.
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Posted 2013-12-15 2:28 PM (#416448 - in reply to #275315)
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Clive, yes back on with it, sorted a few things around so i can concentrate on one thing at once,there was no real interest in the car when it was for sale?

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Posted 2013-12-15 2:31 PM (#416449 - in reply to #275315)
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Painted the bare metal parts on front suspension, also painted in the welds as would have been visible on the bare steel, the bump stops are T4 Volkswagen if any one is looking for some, they are a bit bigger diameter but will do for now till i can get some OEM ones.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2013-12-15 3:03 PM (#416456 - in reply to #416449)
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Hi, Paul:

Great to see you are still moving forward on this wonderful car. I had thought maybe it sold at a ridiculously low price - so I'm glad to see you didn't let it go for a song. I hope your health is well and you enjoy the holidays!
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Posted 2013-12-16 12:36 AM (#416562 - in reply to #416449)
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Hi Paul,
I was a concours judge with the 300 club Int'n. for more than 20 years and I have NEVER seen anyone try to replicate the mig weld bluing/discolouration on raw steel like you have. You have taken restorative work to a whole new height. My hat is off to you!! Well done!
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Posted 2013-12-16 1:36 AM (#416564 - in reply to #416449)
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As restoration junkies we still have another replication to solve. ALL upper and lower control arms as well as all other brackets were stamped from "hot rolled pickeled and oiled" coiled steel. This steel had a very particular, sort of blotched, appearance. I worked in these steel stamping plants in late high school and university. All the bits that Paul has shown to be welded is correct. We still have to duplicate the original appearance of HR P&O steel!!
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d500neil
Posted 2013-12-16 2:43 AM (#416570 - in reply to #416564)
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Things of beauty.


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Posted 2013-12-16 6:46 AM (#416581 - in reply to #275315)
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Paul,

nice work, but I thought, you've sold that car two month ago at ebay
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Posted 2013-12-16 9:43 AM (#416600 - in reply to #275315)
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Neat as a pin, springsweptwing!



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Posted 2013-12-16 12:02 PM (#416635 - in reply to #416600)
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Nice work and glad you were able to keep it... the market seems off, we're experiencing no real interest in our '58 Windsor/Dodge either so may proceed with a resto, willing and able or not, but it may not be an entirely bad thing in the end, if it can be pulled off... and we have no illusions of doing the kind of superb job seen here!
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d500neil
Posted 2013-12-16 2:47 PM (#416675 - in reply to #416635)
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Roger, if you are going to be rebuilding the front suspension, it is not a big deal to 'sand-blast' the components.

The best thing to do with those pieces is to have them be powder coated in natural-bare metal (being sure to
protect any mating-surfaces).

Clear coat will wear off and or show surface corrosion, quickly, and natural 'paint' is OK, but needs touching up.

The powder coat will only require a wipe-off with mild solvent to restore their finish.

The driveline is in natural-shiny appearance; after removing the gunk from it, it can be polished and heavily clear-coated.

The differential carrier assembly is in natural bare-metal/cast iron.

After you strip/brush-grind it as well as possible, you can apply natural finish bare-steel paint to it.

None of this is very difficult to do.


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Posted 2013-12-19 4:18 PM (#417355 - in reply to #275315)
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FYI - Do not wipe off powder coatings with Lacquer Thinner!!! It will dissolve the coating........
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d500neil
Posted 2013-12-19 5:03 PM (#417368 - in reply to #417355)
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Didn't know that; thanks.

How fast does the lacquer thinner attack the PC?

Sandblasting doesn't work very well/easily against PC (coarse material required).

Acetone will really attack some plastics; how does it affect PC?



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Posted 2013-12-19 9:06 PM (#417428 - in reply to #417368)
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d500neil - 2013-12-19 10:03 PM

Didn't know that; thanks.

How fast does the lacquer thinner attack the PC?

Sandblasting doesn't work very well/easily against PC (coarse material required).

Acetone will really attack some plastics; how does it affect PC?





that is what PC is, a plastic coating, plus if you do get any chips on your parts that are subjected to the weather, rust will work its way under,



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Posted 2013-12-19 9:30 PM (#417435 - in reply to #417428)
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Powder coating SUCKS for use on ANY surface that will sustain joint cracks, surface chips, etc. It WILL
peel off like a #@! potato chip and cannot be repaired like paint. It requires the TOTAL (and PITA) sand
blast cleanup and redo of the powder coating (if you are so inclined to repeat the mistake) !!!

Powder coating may be great for non-exposed apps, but honestly, once damaged and exposed to moisture,
can go to hell in a hurry. The big hassle is that desired "hard surface" material is a major fight to UN-coat
off your part/s, and touch up is not a possible option.

Paint is a far better surface coater in most auto apps.
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Posted 2013-12-19 9:32 PM (#417437 - in reply to #417428)
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Exactly, think of powder coating as a ziplock bag, it keeps everything out but when you get a pinhole or a chip in it, it also then hold moisture in under the surface. Draw Tite hitches are a good example if you have seen one in this area, Michigan, they rust from under the p.c. Also paint can be touched up P.C. has to be reprocessed. Very Nice Work.


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springsweptwing
Posted 2014-01-31 9:51 AM (#425069 - in reply to #275315)
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Got my plating back just after new year, sorted out most of the Dodge bits, and started on putting the frame back together, with the info that Greg had in his pictures and other pictures i could find, i have done what i think the markings would look like, any other info on marking etc would be welcome,

Paul.



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springsweptwing
Posted 2014-01-31 9:53 AM (#425070 - in reply to #275315)
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Frame pictures, backing plates for brakes on loose as waiting fr cylinders, Paul.



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d500neil
Posted 2014-01-31 4:44 PM (#425143 - in reply to #275315)
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Very, very nice!!!

The Swedes should take lessons from you; they tend to paint everything in/on the chassis in gloss black.

The T/bars' paint daubs WILL be visible, from underneath the car, when the car is assembled and the
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springsweptwing
Posted 2014-03-10 10:08 AM (#430603 - in reply to #275315)
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getting there slowly, had a break from bodywork and decided to try out the copper paint i had matched to the original, it looks darker than it is under the lights, but the column is the colour it looks in daylight, the rear speaker surround is the same colour as dash, non of the die-cast pieces were originally primered and the paint just chips away,

thanks Paul.



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springsweptwing
Posted 2014-03-10 10:12 AM (#430604 - in reply to #275315)
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Original parts before painting, colour matched to a hyundai copper, will post the code if anyone struggling with a colour match, thanks Paul.



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springsweptwing
Posted 2014-03-10 10:16 AM (#430605 - in reply to #275315)
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Going to have a play around with the dash inserts next, just deciding best way to mask off all those dots? bronze colour is different to dash colour, steering horn ring will have to wait until i can find a better one or have this one plated, Paul.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-03-10 1:08 PM (#430624 - in reply to #430605)
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Wow! Great work, Paul! Thanks for the updates. If you could just drop a bead of wax or a sticky bb into each of those dimples and then spray without upsetting the whole thing...
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Posted 2014-03-10 2:58 PM (#430632 - in reply to #275315)
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Way to go Paul, that looks really good and it sure is the fun part of it; assemble all the clean and treated parts.
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Posted 2014-03-11 11:17 AM (#430740 - in reply to #275315)
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Wonderful thread, love the colour.
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FIN ME
Posted 2014-03-11 12:38 PM (#430756 - in reply to #275315)
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Very impressive! You are one patient and hard working guy!

It's all looking great!

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Posted 2014-03-11 1:56 PM (#430766 - in reply to #430756)
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Wow! You do a very Great work
I like what i see at pics.
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Posted 2014-03-13 9:54 AM (#431019 - in reply to #275315)
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Thanks for the positive replies guys, Mike i had a idea of dropping some mould release agent in each of the holes, but after painting the pattern was not consistent



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Posted 2014-03-13 9:59 AM (#431021 - in reply to #275315)
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In the end i just painted then went over every hole with a 1/8 drill bit by hand to clean out the dimples, looks as original and every dimple is the same size, next gauge surround to do, thanks Paul.



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Posted 2014-03-13 10:26 AM (#431023 - in reply to #431021)
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Wish I had the time and patience to do a rebuild like this, I admire your dedication to it


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Posted 2014-03-13 12:04 PM (#431033 - in reply to #275315)
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Would the frame have had the part numbers stenciled on it like that? I thought only replacment parts had part number identifications marked on them???? Just asking, not criticizing.......very nice work indeed...
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Posted 2014-03-13 9:02 PM (#431114 - in reply to #275315)
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Bob, there was some kind of White markings there under what was left of the underseal, so i thought it may have been a number on the frame? The 183 was there and is also chalked on the cowl near the data plate, every other marking is just from information i have gathered from other pictures, Paul.



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Posted 2014-03-13 9:04 PM (#431115 - in reply to #275315)
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Finished up the guage surround tonight



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-03-13 9:35 PM (#431130 - in reply to #431115)
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Paul, that looks fantastic. Trying to mess around with those dimples is probably just too much unless there is some very simple solution - the painted dimples look excellent to me. That's an area that many Regal restorers seem to miss.
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d500neil
Posted 2014-03-13 10:08 PM (#431138 - in reply to #431130)
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Truly MoPar Madness.

I had thought that most-all of the production Regals had/have chrome-shiny facias, and not the regal-copper color(ed)
toned ones.

Thoughts?






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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-03-22 4:13 PM (#432489 - in reply to #431138)
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Great work, Paul. I'm glad you kept the car!!

The dash inserts on my Regal were originally bronze.
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Posted 2014-03-22 6:27 PM (#432505 - in reply to #275315)
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Awesome work Paul!

And Greg...great to see you back on here again!
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-04-08 2:01 AM (#435033 - in reply to #432505)
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Paul, just a note for the future. When you get to the interior vinyl etc. get in touch with me. While I don't have any of the copper threaded cloth I do have vinyl left over that SMS had and embossed for me.
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Posted 2014-04-08 3:27 PM (#435098 - in reply to #275315)
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SMS should already have (a lot of) the Regal Lancer upholstery cloth loomed up, ready to sell.

There's another Regal Mystery (in addition to the others, shown/discussed on earlier thread pages): how and why were
there different colors of the dash-insert panels, and how many were built in either color?

At least, we know the production total of the RL models.

My SWAG is that (only-) the earlier models got the bronze inserts...but, never-say-always.



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Posted 2014-04-08 3:44 PM (#435104 - in reply to #275315)
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Just as a measure of Paul's O.C.D. (attention to detail!), he could have had his car's dash inserts
look like these, on A. Lejins' Regal; standard 58 Dodge pieces.

BTW, this car was built o.o.a. 3/6/58, so, it was not one of the 'early' built exemplars.



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Posted 2014-04-08 4:26 PM (#435109 - in reply to #275315)
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I've never saw stenciled numbers like that on assembly line parts.....very interesting. Keep up the excellent work!!!
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Posted 2014-04-08 11:33 PM (#435147 - in reply to #435104)
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Neil, the dash inserts in my Regal looked exactly like a regular 58 Dodge. No hint of any copper at all. I left them that way-- just like Aivar did. BUT, when you take them apart the copper colouring shows under all the edges covered by gauge and surround bezels. This is why I said that the copper colouring was definitely NOT paint. It was a fragile anodizing that faded to nothing in daylight.

Unless one was there when these inserts were actually disassembled for any particular car one could never know whether they were copper coloured or not.
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d500neil
Posted 2014-06-29 12:12 AM (#447082 - in reply to #275315)
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Paul, why is the frame factory-OEM painted 1-9-57A, upside-down, and you painted 2-1-58A, right-side up, on a frame rail?




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Posted 2014-06-29 7:08 AM (#447103 - in reply to #275315)
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Isn't the 1-9-57 one from a red and white 57 Desoto convertible in Sweden?
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Posted 2014-11-23 11:21 PM (#462628 - in reply to #275315)
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Bit more done, will post more pictures when i get them off camera, in mean time steering box rebuilt and painted, found some white paint marks on which would have been done before fitting as it had run down length off steering box.



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-11-24 11:55 PM (#462729 - in reply to #275315)
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Great to see you posting again, Paul. Wonderful thread, keep up the good work! Look forward to seeing more!
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Posted 2014-11-25 12:07 AM (#462730 - in reply to #462729)
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Glad to see that you reproduced that paint daub as it was done---- with runs!! I have always thought of these as being inspection marks. You know, made by an inspector who was just paid to watch a particular, or series of procedures being done and completed. When completed, he simply painted his "Mark"! There were no points for neatness!
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d500neil
Posted 2014-11-25 1:40 AM (#462734 - in reply to #462730)
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Going back to Greg's comment/posting, of 4/18/14, above, the Regal Lancer literature does show 'bronze' colored/lacquered glove box and dash inserts on the car.

Chrome finish inserts look 'wrong' on a Regal Lancer's dash board.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-11-25 11:27 AM (#462749 - in reply to #462734)
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Great work, Paul! Very few restorers would take the time to recreate these details! Your Regal is going to be outstanding.
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Posted 2014-11-25 1:27 PM (#462759 - in reply to #275315)
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