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Xea
Posted 2011-09-03 4:59 PM (#287435)
Subject: Scarebird front disc brackets......


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Any body familiar with these?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Plymouth-Fury-Belvedere-Savoy-57-58-...

Everybody recomends the AAE stuff, I was surprised to find these. Anybody have any experiance with these? Are there any alternative to AAE for rear applications on my 1958 Suburban?
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57plymouth
Posted 2011-09-03 7:07 PM (#287450 - in reply to #287435)
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The Scarebird kit is good for someone that wants to stay all mopar. The GM calipers on the AAJ kit are cheaper though. Also, the Scarebird kit reduces the turning radius since it moves the steering arm.

If none of those are issues for you, go ahead.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-05-14 8:48 AM (#539988 - in reply to #287435)
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I looked this up and its not true, the scarebird kit doesn't move the steering arm so the geometry is the same.
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mstrug
Posted 2017-05-14 10:20 AM (#539995 - in reply to #287435)
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It's not all Mopar either. the calipers are 1/2 ton dodge truck from about 1994 and use ford Galaxie 500 11.75" 1970 or so rotors with the 4-1/2" bolt circle.

Change out your inadequate front drums for affordable disc with our US-made CNC laser-cut brackets. These cold-rolled steel adapters bolt straight on to your drum spindles- no machining is necessary to the spindle, nor any realignment. We use 1970-72 Ford full size rotors (11-3/4", same wheel bolt pattern and pilot size) and 1994-99 Dodge Ram 1/2 ton pickup calipers. This kit will not clear your OEM 14" rims, but will clear the stock 15" rims.

We do offer a high clearance calipers for the 14" wheel application. Note: some stock wheels will require a slight touch on the ribbing overlap. This will need to be done on a vertical mill.

Items included; brackets, inner bearing spacers, hose locks, cotter pins, banjo bolts, attaching hardware and a detailed information sheet.

https://scarebird.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=64&produc...
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-05-14 10:58 AM (#539999 - in reply to #539995)
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You have to realize that this post is quite old. The kit referenced in the original post uses a different setup that is compatible with 14" wheels. It is likely that this is what they now reference as the "high clearance" version. The larger new version uses different parts, and you are right that it doesn't move the steering arm. Just for information, I used Wheel Vintiques 63 series 15" Chrysler wheels and they rubbed the Dodge Ram calipers. I had to grind down the ends of the calipers quite a bit for them to work. It all depends on how much clearance there is on the inside of the wheel.

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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-05-14 1:09 PM (#540010 - in reply to #287435)
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I also looked up using the twin piston 2500 calipers, they seem to be the same size so you might be able to really get even more braking power... The didge truck guys were talking about using these.

there were HD brakes that fit on the 94-99 trucks so its the same setup just more surface area from what I read. I will get two of them and compare.

There seems to be a two piston setup also...

PowerStop makes calipers also: PowerStop S4299





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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-05-14 1:16 PM (#540011 - in reply to #287435)
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The HD Brakes are 5 mm larger in diameter. Those larger hd brakes are also compatible with GM trucks...

Basically the calipers are almost free that that point... how many GM and Dodge pickups have been scrapped.  So rebuilt calipers are like 20$ a piece.



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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-05-14 1:23 PM (#540012 - in reply to #287435)
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Oh and THEN also when you open it up into GM compatibility the brake caliper gets even bigger... this is the 3500 stuff (GM and Dodge)

Obviously this stuff has to fit so mileage may vary...



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kcasey
Posted 2017-05-16 7:56 PM (#540192 - in reply to #287435)
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just for added information. Wilwood makes a direct bolt on d52 caliper replacement with dual pistons. they look good too and are available in different colors. I have these on my 65 belvedere with an AAJ kit.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-05-16 8:58 PM (#540198 - in reply to #287435)
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https://www.amazon.com/Wilwood-140-11290-BK-Front-Caliper-Powder/dp/...
&ie=UTF8&qid=1494983753&sr=8-1&keywords=d52+caliper


you mean this kit?
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kcasey
Posted 2017-05-17 11:07 PM (#540300 - in reply to #287435)
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yes and I do have 15'' wheels on that car too. I'm not sure they would work with a 14.
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hemidenis
Posted 2017-05-17 11:38 PM (#540302 - in reply to #287435)
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I love all theses brakes options until they tell me that i have kiss goodbye to my original hubcaps and put I don't know what for replacement.

So far the best idea I ever seen is that guy in Europe with two (2) calipers per wheel opposite to each other. I talked to one of the scarebird representatives about this and he was not interested in the idea.

So people assured on this site that they can make the 14" AJJ kit lock up, but the lack of evidence is similar to asseveration of Big Foot and the Loch Ness monster..
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kcasey
Posted 2017-05-19 10:39 PM (#540438 - in reply to #287435)
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my 58 has wilwoods all the way around with 14'' wheels. these are 4 piston calipers. the car is not running yet so I can't say how well they work but they work great on other cars. the 14'' wheels came off a late 70's Granada which have more clearance for disc brakes on the inside and a 5 on 4.5 lug pattern.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-05-19 11:46 PM (#540440 - in reply to #287435)
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that's a good idea, use the Granada wheel. I have 15 inch dodge spinners so I am going 15.

I would have went aaj had I known about the wilwoods, but I think I can get a two piston caliper on the scarebird bracket. If not I will check with using that huge truck brakes.

That is some serious stopping power but dual is better.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-05-20 11:07 AM (#540452 - in reply to #287435)
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okay doing more research... the 99 caliper is compatible with the 99-2003 calipers?

For example the dual piston centric Centric 142.67033 - Posi Quiet Loaded Front Passenger Side Brake Caliper (120 with pads without a core one side).

This opens up my options into dual piston calipers with the scarebird and possibly using 14 inch rims. I would have probably bought the aaj but there looks like tons of option still with the scarebirds.

I confirmed the 2500 and 3500 calipers fit but they are going to be even larger, the 3500 is a 3 inch piston!. Id rather have dual piston though so I will go back to auto store and see if the HD 98-2002 dodge calipers fit the bracket.






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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-12 7:17 PM (#575139 - in reply to #287435)
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For future reference, these are the OEM parts used with the Scarebird kit:

Rotors, Wheel Seal, Dust Cap: '70-'72 Ford galaxy front
Calipers & Pads: '94-'99 Dodge Ram 1/2 ton or '92-'99 Chevy, GMC 1/2 ton
Short 12" Hose: '79-'84 Buick Electra front
Medium 15" Hose: '79-'81 Chevy Camaro, Pontiac Firebird front
Long 17" Hose: '79-'85 Cadillac Eldorado
Bearings: '70-'72 Plymouth Fury front
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-12-12 9:36 PM (#575144 - in reply to #287435)
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I went with POWER STOP S4299 Performance Red Powder Coated; Includes Hardware





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