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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | I just bought this car Its 2000 km from me right now, but my brother lives sort of close, so it will go to his place first. He wants to see if he can get it going (hasnt ran in 10 years). He has ideas of driving it over, but I think its more likely going to end up on a truck. When I get it here, I will decide wether it will be parts for my plymouth or be fixer up. In the pics, it looks to good to kill. Its a rare car here as not a lot have survived. I was orriginally interested in it for the windscreen and the steering. (60 phoenix1.jpg) (60 phoenix2.jpg) (60 phoenix3.jpg) (60 phoenix4.jpg) (60 phoenix5.jpg) (60 phoenix6.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 60 phoenix1.jpg (45KB - 454 downloads) 60 phoenix2.jpg (79KB - 463 downloads) 60 phoenix3.jpg (52KB - 431 downloads) 60 phoenix4.jpg (69KB - 446 downloads) 60 phoenix5.jpg (57KB - 451 downloads) 60 phoenix6.jpg (75KB - 449 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4533 Location: Ripon, WI | darn! It has a hitch, I would love to find one of those for my car. Looks to be in decent shape man, depending on how soft everything underneath is of course. | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Hey Mike Dunno if you have seen one befor, but I dont think it would be that hard to knock one up or get made. Heres a pic I have of one if it helps. (60 plym tow bar.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 60 plym tow bar.jpg (83KB - 447 downloads) | ||
njlimbaugh |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 421 Location: N. Georgia | Looks like a keeper to me. Shucks, I've bought daily drivers that looked worse than yours! | ||
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Veteran Posts: 188 Location: Adelaide Australia | hi mate you wont be to disapointed it is very rough. I looked at this car about three weeks ago. It was dropped there in that spot 10 years ago and that was that. It was gona be restored . As the story goes another 60 Phoenix bites the dust. It would be a good parts car if you got one ,but to hard to restore if you dont. When iI was there wasnt able to turn motor by hand and brakes were sized . But at the right pricr would make agood parts car. | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Hi Fins can you elaborate a bit more about it? I have dived in head first on this one, mostly for the right hand drive stuff. I get it for a fair bit less than his asking, but I still have to get it here yet. But as far as a hard restore goes, you havnt seen that much of my plymouth then This ones almost showroom compared to that. | ||
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Regular Posts: 87 | Aint that the truth---good parts car and good project depends on where you and the car are. On the Rustang sites these guys out west are parting cars guys here in michigan would stab each other over. lol | ||
Swept57 |
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Expert Posts: 1622 Location: Seville, OH | No question that it has a V8 in it! | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | ...The Twice Pipes a give-away, on it? | ||
Mr Fins |
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Veteran Posts: 188 Location: Adelaide Australia | Hi Mick PM sent | ||
poly |
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Veteran Posts: 161 Location: Melbourne, Australia | Mick, Great score on the Dodge!! I am so jealous..... How did you find it? Sent you a PM | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Hi Frank I sorta found it by accident, I was looking for parts for my plymouth and got bored looking at the same ones in the states, so i looked local and there it was. If it was not the Aussie one, I would have passed, but when I saw the dash, I thought cool parts for my plymouth. I will wait till I get it here to decide what to do with it, but it does roll and the engine turns by hand, so it might survive yet | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7807 Location: Williams California | Good find, Mick! I would imagine lucking to this on your home turf would be somewhat of a miracle? ---John | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Thanks John Not a lot of these around, Its going to help with the plymouth r/h/d problem a lot. I have to get around to getting that stuff you have for me shipped over one day. I am sort of dragging my feet on that a bit, but this dodge should give me some direction now. Just have to see if its a fixer or parts, but it is looking more like a fixer. My brother said the engine ran for about 10 seconds yesterday then lost spark (as far as he got) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2633 Location: Minor Hill, TN | Good Luck with the restoration please keep us posted | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | I have just got home from going and visiting my brother to get the dodge ready for transport and a general tinker. Rust is a bit of an issue mostly around the roof. Its suffered mostly along the left side drip rail. right side rocker isnt very good and the hood tried to fold in half when I went to close it (the hood frame is rusted at the hinge mounts) The good stuff is the floor and trunk looks fine No issues with the dash same with the sub frame Engine runs (sort of) its in bad need of tune up stuff. I couldnt run it for to long because the water pump bearings are shot. Trans works forward and reverse (I didnt get it to change gears) The park brake works after I adjusted it, but does need new linings (1 lining fell off when I took the drum off) Its mostly complete, missing floor coverings, Rear quarter mouldings, Front seats are out of something else, dash mirror is missing It uses a dodge truck heater, not the same as the US heaters and the fan works and it didnt leak any water. The steering felt good, but I think its a manual box only (Had power steering once but it must have failed and been replaced). I will look into that further when it gets home (About 3 weeks I think). The Pot metal parts have suffered from being out in the weather to long, most is badly pitted. the rear bumpers not bad, just one of the things on top of the bumper has rusted through. That funny looking V8 badge on the trunk looks like it may have been either dealer intalled or put on not long after new. Its not going to stay though, but its bolted on. There will be quite a lot of work needed to get it back on the road (fingers crossed that will happen), mostly will depend on what I find with the rust in the roof. I did see a really badly beat up 60 dodge convert for sale for $1000 over there somewhere, could buy that and use this as a parts car for that hahahahaha Now I have the long wait till it gets here, the fix it or part it argument will go on in my head till its here and I can evaluate it better, but I really do want to save it, Being R/H/D I guess makes it especially rare in world car terms. I was wondering if the dodges in Canada still did the plodge thing in 60? I dont recall ever seeing a 1/2 60 plym/dodge combo If worse come to worse, I could make an Australian 60 crusader Enough of my rambling for now | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Michael, in 1960 the Canadian built Darts were the same as the US cars' sheet metal. They did, however use a Plymouth dash board and upholstery, and Plymouth steering wheel. The Aussie Darts at least used a Dodge str. wheel. So really what the Dart was for 1960 was a Plymouth but with Dodge styled sheet metal, basically what had been going on in Canada for years - a short wheelbase Dodge to compete with Plymouth, albeit finally with Dodge sheet metal all the way for 1960 in Canada instead of Plymouth sheet metal from the cowl back. | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | So If I put the dodge front on my fury, I could have a 1 of 1 car, cool Dont worry everyone Kidding, but the dodge front sheetmetal is better than the plymouths except for the hood | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | The Phoenix finally turned up at home today I was like an expectant father last night, kept driving past the freight yard to see if it was here lol Anyway, today was help the engine day mostly, put a new water pump on it and basically got the cooling system to hold water. I also got a air cleaner for it (orriginal type wont fit because it has a 350 holley on it) The air cleaner is the shiniest part of it lol. The rust in the roof is quite bad, be a bit of work there The bonnet (hood) is pretty much shot, I think I'll be better off with another one. The engines pretty smokey still, but I think its starting to clear up a bit and it really will need a full tune, It sounds like christine when Arnie first got it. All in all, its been a good day | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7207 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | What's wrong with the hood, is it rusted out as well? The roof rust on your Aussie cars amazes me. I live on Vancouver Island, on the coast, pacific Northwest, that has a fairly wet winter climate, dry in summer though. I've never seen any roof rust on any cars in this area, lived here all my life. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Yep, the frame is rusted out where the hinges bolt on. At the moment, I have to use a wrench on the hinges to close the hood or it will just fold in half. L/H/R door was stuck as well, but I got it open with the carefull use of 2 pry bars. The locking wheel was ciezed. That door now opens better than the others now. Bathurst (touring car race) is on today, so there wont be to much happening, but I do want to seal up the exhaust. This car will not be a cherry resto, more a cleaned up driver. | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | I was tinkering with it a little yesterday and I found some factory graffity Scratced under the cover for the speedo (60 plym dash) was Steve was here Detroit USA 1960 JFK for pres I am guessing that the dash had an export tag or something on it, which is why the "detroit USA" bit I thought it pretty cool when I found it | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 726 Location: Some Island called Prince Edward | That's awesome! Can you post a pic of the graffiti? | ||
toddst |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 726 Location: Some Island called Prince Edward | That's awesome! Can you post a pic of the graffiti? | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Nearly lost it today I decided ti fix the hole in the roof, so I released the roof lining back a bit and pulled the insulation out ect and ground off the paint and all the other stuff you have to do. After welding in a repair section that I made, I ground the welds down and found i had a couple of small holes to fix. I fixed the first one, but when I was fixing the second one, the weld fell in and somehow caught the roof lining on fire. I didnt know this had happened until I lifted the helmet to see if i needed to go further. Thats when I saw a good portion of the front of the roof burning. Naturally I tried to put it out. First by trying to blow it out, that wasnt really successful (bit bigger fire than a candle) Then I did a stupider thing and started trying to rip the lining out and only succeded in burning my hand, then I got smarter and got the hose. The damage thankfully is only to the roof lining that needed to be replaced anyway, but I was trying to save it as a patern. I guess my hand will hurt for a while, but I have burn cream on it now that is helping a lot. My turn to be my signiture thing today lol | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | I have been busy with it this weekend, Stripped out the interior and the rear window and got stuck into cleaning it all out to get serious with the roof repairs. After a good clean and vacuum out of the loose rust, I practically sprayed the entire car with rust converter to slow down the cars decintergration. I then got stuck into the rust repairs, pretty happy with the outcome so far, but still a long way to go. Oh, and by the way, I managed to not set the car on fire this time (dodge lh roof repair 001.JPG) (dodge lh roof repair 019.JPG) (dodge lh roof repair 028.JPG) (dodge lh roof repair 030.JPG) (dodge lh roof repair 034.JPG) (dodge lh roof repair 038.JPG) (dodge lh roof repair 040.JPG) Attachments ---------------- dodge lh roof repair 001.JPG (88KB - 446 downloads) dodge lh roof repair 019.JPG (65KB - 432 downloads) dodge lh roof repair 028.JPG (113KB - 411 downloads) dodge lh roof repair 030.JPG (92KB - 443 downloads) dodge lh roof repair 034.JPG (84KB - 426 downloads) dodge lh roof repair 038.JPG (61KB - 455 downloads) dodge lh roof repair 040.JPG (63KB - 407 downloads) | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Just found this thread Looks like he went through pretty much the same lot of repairs as I am doing to my dodge, except he had a better start (not quite as bad as mine) http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=18710&... | ||
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Expert Posts: 2308 Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | ttotired - 2011-11-04 7:49 PM Just found this thread Looks like he went through pretty much the same lot of repairs as I am doing to my dodge, except he had a better start (not quite as bad as mine) http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=18710&... Yes, I remember that car. He started out with what appeared to be a pretty decent 1960 Dodge Phoneix, but once he got into it it turned out to be quite a project. There was a lot of rust and bondo that he had to cut out. The last post in that thread was from May 2008, so he may have finished the car by now. | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Looks like it got sold as an unfinished project http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=29773 So I dont know if it ever got back on the road, hope so | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | I have been putting more steel into the roof on the other side while I have had some time No real need for pics as it really looks about the same as the ones above. The right C pillar is a bit worse though, about all that was holding it was the water chanel and the window lip. Both inner and outer skins were not much thicker than tin foil where there was any metal. A lot of filler in there though. Should have the outer skin done today, then comes the fun bit of makeing an inner skin right out to the water chanel. At least I am getting good at useing my bender, I can get pretty close to the shapes I want now All good practice for when I get stuck into the plymouth again | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 320 Location: lakeview, ny 14085 | imopar380 - 2011-10-08 3:08 PM What's wrong with the hood, is it rusted out as well? The roof rust on your Aussie cars amazes me. I live on Vancouver Island, on the coast, pacific Northwest, that has a fairly wet winter climate, dry in summer though. I've never seen any roof rust on any cars in this area, "lived here all my life". not yet I hope!!!!!!!! | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Just reached a small mile stone today The roof is finally in primer ready for the cosmetic repairs NO MORE WELDING ON THE ROOF YAAAAA It will get fibreglass filler over the welds then normal filler then primer again before I move onto the next bit which will be the parcel shelf and the bit between the back window and the front of the trunk. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Got the camera working today Above I was asked about the graffiti, better late than never Sort of progressing with the panel work slowly Be getting into the rear panels in the next week or two. John is sending me a good hood, so that bit should be easier, got new rocker panels waiting to go on and I made a L/H dog leg and thats welded into place. I have got onto a better (not rusted out) set of rear over riders for the bumper, so when they turn up, it will be a trip to the chrome platers to see what they can do. Still tons to do, but it is good looking at stuff done (dodge 001.jpg) (dodge 002.jpg) (dodge 003.jpg) (dodge 004.jpg) (dodge 005.jpg) (dodge 006.jpg) (dodge 007.jpg) (dodge 008.jpg) (dodge 009.jpg) (dodge 012.jpg) (dodge 013.jpg) (dodge 014.jpg) Attachments ---------------- dodge 001.jpg (73KB - 434 downloads) dodge 002.jpg (73KB - 421 downloads) dodge 003.jpg (81KB - 422 downloads) dodge 004.jpg (68KB - 413 downloads) dodge 005.jpg (64KB - 405 downloads) dodge 006.jpg (50KB - 457 downloads) dodge 007.jpg (49KB - 408 downloads) dodge 008.jpg (27KB - 412 downloads) dodge 009.jpg (54KB - 396 downloads) dodge 012.jpg (34KB - 408 downloads) dodge 013.jpg (31KB - 400 downloads) dodge 014.jpg (69KB - 396 downloads) | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 337 Location: UK | Looking good Mick. Great pics. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2788 Location: USA - KY | Wow...it's great to be seeing all of this progress that you've been making. Keep the photos coming, Mick! | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Thanks for the encouragement I try to get something done each sunday | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 957 Location: Signal Mountain, TN | littlecarl - 2012-05-07 1:52 PM Looking good Mick. Great pics. What he said... looking much better already. | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Got a bit bored with panelwork today so I did something different (dodge front clip 046 small.JPG) (dodge front clip 047 small.JPG) Attachments ---------------- dodge front clip 046 small.JPG (94KB - 421 downloads) dodge front clip 047 small.JPG (106KB - 395 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Been at it a little more today I am getting all the rust out of the left rear 1/4, almost there. My head is itchy now from the grinder sparks, so I might have to take to wearing a hat. Makeing the bottom part of the rear wheel arch was a huge chalenge, what I ended up doing was to cut a strip of metak and then put cross cuts along both sides in towards the middle so I could bend and tist it to get the shape. Took lots of welding then to close all the slits, but it looks pretty right. I have thought about haveing another go at getting a set of fender skirts to use as a judge for the shape, but after 2 tries so far, its getting annoying. Anyway, another few pics (dodge left rear quarter 001.jpg) (dodge left rear quarter 002.jpg) (dodge left rear quarter 003.jpg) Attachments ---------------- dodge left rear quarter 001.jpg (51KB - 397 downloads) dodge left rear quarter 002.jpg (74KB - 401 downloads) dodge left rear quarter 003.jpg (43KB - 429 downloads) | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | First major bit of chromework has been kicked off today Took the rear bumper to the chromers and 1 extra set of overiders to see if they were fixable and left them there Its going to cost a bit but it will be the first major bit of bling When I get it back, I will (no doubt) stare at it for hours | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | for those that are not sure, its these trims I am on the hunt for (polaraFender Skirts1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- polaraFender Skirts1.jpg (118KB - 402 downloads) | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Got home a little early today so I thought I might try to loosen the ball joints (heard they could be a pig), anyway, bit of an anti climax really. The socket I got to do the job was the right one for both upper and lower ones and I used a 3/4" L bar and a 4' long piece of tube and the loosened without a fight at all. I hadnt removed the engine yet because I wanted the weight of it there incase the ball joints gave me a hard time. So now its going to be all guns blazing as I get the engine and sub frame ect off. I am going to get the sub frame and other stuff media blasted and some of it powder caoted while I do the rear fender work. I am having trouble getting the wheel cutout right (I have made it 3 times now), it looks kinda right, then I look at it again and compare sides and to the plymouth and start again. I recently got a set of steel fender skirts and am now using that as a template for the shape. I am 1/2" to long for the skirts now, so I have to work out where I got it wrong as I had to make both ends of the cutout I have thought of just adjusting the size of the skirts to fit, but I want to make it right | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Left quarter is done now, so I have moved onto the other side. The right sides not quite so bad, but I have still had to replace the lower section behind the wheel. That went really well (I must be learning), only about an hour of massaging to get it almost ripple free. The dogleg is quite a surprise, Its been done before, and only has a little bit of rust, so easy to fix. The person that did it before, only tacked it on, so I am fully welding his repair and I hope that will stop any futher rusting there. I have 1/2 welded on the new sill (rocker) on the right side and will continue shortly (I hope). Its pooring rain here right now and even though I am under a big roof, I havnt got walls all around me and I am getting a slight mist blowing onto the car thats annoying the welder, so I am having a rest (and a scotch). Getting so close to rust free (sorta) cant wait | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8947 Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | man , you got some heavy duty work goin on . you're lookin good so far . ---------------------------------------------later | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Allrighty When rain stops 1 bit of play, you move onto the next thing Oh and heres where I am at with the 2x4 I am going to block the ports and have done with it (Dodge 12 8 001.jpg) (Dodge 12 8 002.jpg) (Dodge 12 8 003.jpg) (Dodge 12 8 004.jpg) (Dodge 12 8 005.jpg) (Dodge 12 8 012.jpg) (Dodge 12 8 013.jpg) (Dodge 12 8 014.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Dodge 12 8 001.jpg (116KB - 405 downloads) Dodge 12 8 002.jpg (75KB - 410 downloads) Dodge 12 8 003.jpg (89KB - 389 downloads) Dodge 12 8 004.jpg (102KB - 406 downloads) Dodge 12 8 005.jpg (101KB - 403 downloads) Dodge 12 8 012.jpg (97KB - 393 downloads) Dodge 12 8 013.jpg (98KB - 424 downloads) Dodge 12 8 014.jpg (79KB - 386 downloads) | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Dont know if its getting better or worse (Dodge 26 8 004.jpg) (Dodge 26 8 005.jpg) (Dodge 26 8 006.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Dodge 26 8 004.jpg (101KB - 390 downloads) Dodge 26 8 005.jpg (101KB - 392 downloads) Dodge 26 8 006.jpg (152KB - 422 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 982 Location: Upper Hunter NSW Australia | ttotired - 2012-08-26 4:38 PM Dont know if its getting better or worse ................... ........... Nah, you're getting betterer Mick !! Rotisserie looks good, something that's on my wish list. And speaking of rotisserie, if I can offer you some advice................ See if you can get a steel bar between the two bottom legs of both rotisseries if you can. I made a rotisserie a few years back for a mate for his LC Torana out of two engine stands and didn't make a connecting bar between the two rotisseries and it nearly collapsed on him one day when he was turning it. Hope that helps. .................. ........... . Support bar fixed the problem........... wouldn't like to see your pride and joy do the same thing. | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Thanks Terry It does have the conecting piece, it telescopes out, but I didnt have it conected up because I just finished pulling the rear end out. It was a big day | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Decided this morning (public holiday here) to get stuck into removing the stuff from the firewall and getting the dash out. While I was at it, I thought seeing as how the hood hinges were still attached to the firewakk, I would see if I could rig something up to get the springs off and hold them open for cleaning and painting. The pics below show how I did it. Getting the dash out was a bit of a mission, I wanted to keep as much still attached to it as possible so when I get to painting the dash and genarally getting all the stuff ready, I wouldnt forget how it all went. I have taken over 60 pics of this, so if anyone wants a pic of something in particular, I will probably have it OH and of coarse everything is backwards for the people in the states. Edited by ttotired 2012-10-01 1:39 AM (Dash removal (37).jpg) (Dash removal (38).jpg) (Dash removal (42).jpg) (Dash removal (47).jpg) Attachments ---------------- Dash removal (37).jpg (87KB - 397 downloads) Dash removal (38).jpg (72KB - 395 downloads) Dash removal (42).jpg (100KB - 402 downloads) Dash removal (47).jpg (108KB - 415 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 654 Location: NC | My hat is off to you, your expertise, your patience and your passion. It's been almost 13 months (in 10 days) since your 1st post. I certainly wish that I could do what you are doing and have done. I salute you! Dave in NC | ||
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