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Beltran
Posted 2013-06-05 8:19 AM (#379092 - in reply to #301594)
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Is that a Mustang being used as a table top? I approve. :D Did you create new seat frame covers or are those original?
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earleebob
Posted 2013-06-05 4:48 PM (#379199 - in reply to #301594)
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Good observation Mark, yes it's a Ford - but a 1971 Fairmont 250 sedan not a Mustang which shares a similar front. The seat side covers were fabricated in house by our resident glass man, Paul Kelly who incidentally is the chap doing the mods on your transmission button facia.
Time is ticking and there is still a lot left to do before the weekend!!

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Posted 2013-06-07 7:54 PM (#379674 - in reply to #301594)
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Beltran
Posted 2013-06-07 7:58 PM (#379676 - in reply to #301594)
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bah. there will be another meet next weekend. no worries mate.
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Posted 2013-06-07 8:16 PM (#379685 - in reply to #301594)
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No point rushing now Bob

Better to be exacting like you have been, rushing always equals compramise

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Posted 2013-06-07 8:56 PM (#379690 - in reply to #379685)
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Bob , I just simply love your car, and those wheels they just ooze class ............. I'd love to do my car similar to yours but funds won't permit, something sorta like it funds wise maybe......

You'll love it when its done that is an absolute and I know how your just itching to get into it ........

All in good time, that car's gunna turn heads on statues !!!

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earleebob
Posted 2013-06-07 8:57 PM (#379691 - in reply to #301594)
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My thoughts exactly, Mick

Karl Zerner put in a mighty effort this week, mainly alone, as I had to fly interstate on business midweek and Paul Kelly unexpectedly could not work Thursday or Friday. However, we plodded on with the electrics (thanks Drew) which are now completed leaving us only to refit the speedo cluster / binacle and the front bar.

When we finally received the H4 front head lights and lenses they would not fit so we had to return to the originals. The horns are painted (thanks Ian and Stuart) and only need fitting. Some of the powder coating (including the front bar supports) had to wait until the powder coaters regulars' jobs were done.

Thanks guys for the big push over the last month or so.

Nevertheless the car looks fantastic and is turning out to be exactly what I wanted!!!!!!!!!!!!
All I could ever desire!
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earleebob
Posted 2013-06-07 9:00 PM (#379692 - in reply to #379690)
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Thanks Terry, I going to be down your way soon so I'd love to catch up and see your FL (maybe share a Hunter Red)

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FIN ME
Posted 2013-06-08 1:37 PM (#379818 - in reply to #301594)
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Well...poop!

Never mind, Bob! There will be endless shows and meets and the like where your red beast shall rule!

Take yer time...we will be right here, waiting.

Your Desoto looks totally beautiful, even in it's unfinished state!




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earleebob
Posted 2013-07-17 3:37 AM (#386200 - in reply to #301594)
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Nearly there
It needs to be finished this Saturday for my eldest son's wedding. Still some issues with hood clearance noisy mufflers and wipers running the wrong way. but it WILL be ready and running!
Watch this space for some wedding shots!!! I excited!

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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-07-17 4:51 AM (#386201 - in reply to #301594)
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Looking brilliant as always, Bob...

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earleebob
Posted 2013-07-17 4:45 PM (#386276 - in reply to #301594)
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ttotired
Posted 2013-07-17 5:34 PM (#386290 - in reply to #301594)
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Brilliant Bob

So when are you sending the team over to finish mine?

After the wedding is ok

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Beltran
Posted 2013-07-17 7:44 PM (#386311 - in reply to #301594)
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Looks excellent! So where is that video Bob? Be sure to get some at the wedding.
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Posted 2013-07-18 4:18 PM (#386425 - in reply to #301594)
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Incredible work you're doing on this car!! Absolutely incredible!!!
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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-07-21 8:59 PM (#386813 - in reply to #301594)
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Come on Bob, it's Monday now, you've even had time to get over the hangover!

How did it all go?
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earleebob
Posted 2013-07-22 4:39 AM (#386887 - in reply to #301594)
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Dear forward look friends,
Life is full of compromise, disappointment and promise. The Red and White Fireflite is on life support as we speak. This build has had many twists and bends and I have tried very hard to be thorough but Murphy still managed to stick a spanner in the works. When I went to start the car on Friday morning to drive it to the muffler place it would not wind over. I jacked it up and tapped the starter with a screw driver and she wound over and fired. Whilst it was on the hoist we removed the starter motor and took it to the auto-electrician. Nothing appeared to be wrong so we wired in a remote switch and reinstalled it and it worked fine. The extra mufflers were fitted and the bark of the beast was silenced. Well you would think- that was it All the gremlins ironed out but... Late Friday afternoon I drove it down to fill it up with its first tank of petrol. It was great to finally get behind the wheel and do a final shakedown before the big day. I rang my wife at home and said come for a cruise I will be there in 10 minutes. As I drove away from the last set of traffic lights one kilometre from my place, I could just hear a noise… nah surely it was nothing. I was being paranoid. As I rounded the corner into my street I was down to nursing speed. It began to develop a wheeze. I coasted to a halt right outside my house. When I tried to restart it, it did a couple of revolutions and that was it. The battery was new and fully charged. I sat for a moment in disbelief. This couldn’t be happening…. Nah this is a brand new engine, built in America by a reputable guy. I rang my youngest son and together we picked up the tow truck and brought it back to the shed. I had a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach. What was I going to tell my son about his wedding car. When we drained the oil it was silver with fine metal bits. May be it has spun a bearing. We wont know until we pull it down. So dear Forward look friends it is not dead but on life support with a failing heart and not bearing up well. But that‘s old cars for you. And yes in the depths of Friday night I did shed a tear!
However the wedding went well
I will have some pictures soon


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Posted 2013-07-22 4:48 AM (#386888 - in reply to #301594)
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Geez Bob, I feel for you

Obviously, no one knows whats happened for sure yet, but one thing my machinist told me was that if I couldnt resist starting my engine once it was together (and who could) that I had to make sure I kept starting it and leave it running regularly so it didnt lock up.

Maybe the bent sump had something to do with it?

I hope it turns out to be a simple problem

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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-07-22 5:26 AM (#386890 - in reply to #301594)
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Bob, that is shocking!

A disappointment for your son, of course, but to have this kind of culmination to such a huge effort of a build has got to just gut you.

I hope it's not a camshaft not properly run in...
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Posted 2013-07-22 7:26 AM (#386898 - in reply to #301594)
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Heart goes out to ya Bob.
I don't know how many mates i have who have tried to have a car ready for wedding day , only to fall short just before the post!
It is very dis-heartening to say te least,particulaly when like yours Bob we see how much blood sweat and tears go into getting it there.
I realy hope it's something small mate, after all you have put in mate it should be....and when it does run, by jesus make sure you teach it a lesson for giving you a hard time!
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Posted 2013-07-22 12:03 PM (#386939 - in reply to #301594)
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Sad new's Bob. I could feel with you.....
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Posted 2013-07-22 3:47 PM (#386986 - in reply to #301594)
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Murphy....
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Posted 2013-07-22 4:04 PM (#386991 - in reply to #301594)
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Hang in and bite your jaws toghether Bob - A big setback, but you'll fix it. With all the great work done the car WILL be fantastic....
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Posted 2013-07-23 11:06 PM (#387351 - in reply to #301594)
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That engine is just one small part of a huge effort Bob. The rest of that beast is equally or more important. I am sure you will get to the bottom of it quickly and get it back on the road. Sorry you missed the Son's wedding day.
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Posted 2013-07-24 10:28 AM (#387436 - in reply to #301594)
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Sorry to hear this bad news, Bob! I do have faith that it will all turn out well for you, so hang in there.

Happy that the wedding went well, and I'm looking forward to some pic's!

Sending you some Good DeSoto Luck!

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Posted 2013-08-24 11:04 PM (#393237 - in reply to #387436)
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Had to get away after the intensity of the disappointing build up to the wedding and the no show of the 57 Flite-

So we took on a 23 hour journey from Brisbane to Venice (Italy). And as we boarded the launch to take us from the airport, something quite forward look caught my eye….

Surely not, but here is photographic proof which I offer up for verification. Is this or is this not a 57/58 Desoto steering wheel which has been recycled on this Venetian water taxi???????


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Posted 2013-08-25 5:52 AM (#393263 - in reply to #301594)
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Posted 2013-08-25 8:29 AM (#393272 - in reply to #393263)
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FIN ME
Posted 2013-08-26 8:16 AM (#393407 - in reply to #301594)
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Methinks you be right, Sir!
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Posted 2013-08-26 8:45 AM (#393409 - in reply to #301594)
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I'm soooo envious regarding your trip to Venice, Bob! I hope to get there in the next few years.

BUT...I gotta ask - am I the only one who sees a resemblance? Hmmmm...

Pass the chianti!
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Posted 2013-08-26 4:44 PM (#393495 - in reply to #301594)
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Spot on Rosy! That is for sure a look-a-like
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Posted 2013-08-26 7:23 PM (#393512 - in reply to #393495)
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Hmmmm! Probably more like 'Bert' now than 'Hannibal'!!!!!



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Beltran
Posted 2013-08-26 9:34 PM (#393543 - in reply to #301594)
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Well Bob I hope you had a nice trip. Because now your back! So... how is the rebuild going? I heard you got a block.
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Posted 2013-08-27 8:44 AM (#393611 - in reply to #301594)
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This is nearly great literature Bob - reluctant hero, a sometimes seemingly insurmountable goal, plenty of drama along the way, international travel, and with one last Hercules type effort that will soon lead to a happy and beautiful ending.

Can't wait for you to finish this story up and tell us what the happily ever after is like!
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Posted 2013-08-27 7:32 PM (#393771 - in reply to #301594)
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As long as his girl doesn't leave him in disgust!

Bob's a great guy and has all the right attitudes...
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Posted 2013-08-28 3:45 PM (#393951 - in reply to #393543)
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Beltran - 2013-08-27 11:34 AM

Well Bob I hope you had a nice trip. Because now your back! So... how is the rebuild going? I heard you got a block.

Hi Mark it was great to video skype you from Venice. Yes we do infact have a complete 392 which I bought locally (Victoria) which has now been stripped acid bathed and mic'ed up. The crank had had a couple of regrinds so we will leave it to replace the crank in the current hemi. Karl has now finished the porting on the heads and received the engine parts from the States including a stock crank (thanks for your help with these). we have gone with billet steel four bolt main caps but are having trouble tracking down a pair of middle ones so we may make these in house. did you stay with the originals or og 4 bolt steel? here are a few pix of the bits so far



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Posted 2013-08-28 9:58 PM (#394035 - in reply to #301594)
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According to my Complete Chrysler Hemi manual, Chrysler engines were already bullet proof.

I used my original caps but I did have the engine 'Line Honed' to fix the block and caps. Mine were egg shaped as this was a marine block and the trans was attached to the front of the block. A lot of stress was on that Number 1. I had a local shop do this work and they had all the tools. They had to add metal to 3 of my caps and then regrind the block and caps to the right shape.

I should note that this is for a normally aspirated engine. There is a section in the book about how to add a blower to your hemi. They state that if you stay under 6psi of pressure you don't need to modify the rods and caps. Above that and you should use 4 bolt mains and 'beefier rods'.

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Posted 2013-08-28 10:06 PM (#394036 - in reply to #301594)
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Your going to put hard seats in those heads while your in there anyway, correct?
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Posted 2013-08-29 1:58 PM (#394183 - in reply to #394036)
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Yep hard seats and stainless valves so that we can run PULP unleaded. The cmpression, Karl tells me, will be around 10:1. We are running light weight forged aluminium domed pistons. The overhead gear you can see in the mid left of the photo is so sexy we should run perspex tappet covers. I will have some more shots when it is all laid out ready to assemble. At the moment there are a whole lot of adaptors which need to be bolted on to take advantage of some more modern bits like the oil pump.
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Posted 2013-09-17 8:06 PM (#398261 - in reply to #301594)
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Too quiet in here Bob. What's happening?

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You want the intake manifold and port surfaces to be rough, to allow the air/fuel shot to become mixed-combined and
turbulent.

The exhaust passages should be smooth, for maximum efficient evacuation.




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Posted 2013-09-18 6:46 AM (#398319 - in reply to #398262)
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d500neil - 2013-09-17 8:17 PM

You want the intake manifold and port surfaces to be rough, to allow the air/fuel shot to become mixed-combined and
turbulent.

The exhaust passages should be smooth, for maximum efficient evacuation.






Your intake information is flawed. The smoother the intake port the higher the velocity. The higher the velocity the higher the volumetric efficiency.
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Posted 2013-09-18 8:05 AM (#398322 - in reply to #301594)
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The head flow data and Dyno testing will reveal all!
The heads are away having the SS valves and seats done. Next is cc ing the combustion chambers, then off to be surface ground. The block has been bored to fit the pistons and the main caps line honed.
The whole front of the car is off again ready to extract the old donk! Makes me cry to have to do this over again.
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Posted 2013-09-20 7:05 PM (#398802 - in reply to #301594)
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Just think how much better you will be at it the second time around.
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Posted 2013-09-20 7:38 PM (#398808 - in reply to #398802)
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Posted 2013-09-23 9:12 AM (#399194 - in reply to #301877)
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Why did you move the rear axle bumpers inside of the frame??
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Posted 2013-09-23 11:20 AM (#399203 - in reply to #393951)
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Beltran - 2013-08-27 11:34 AM
....we have gone with billet steel four bolt main caps but are having trouble tracking down a pair of middle ones so we may make these in house. did you stay with the originals or og 4 bolt steel? here are a few pix of the bits so far


Four bolt mains may be a waste of money on an early hemi. I have talked with a number of old racers and they told me that the 4-bolt main motors were actually weaker than 2-bolt versions. The reason is because the extra bolts go in at a weak point in the webbing, making it weaker. For max strength, they recommend a strong cap girdle on the stock 2-bolt mains - neither of which is required if you aren't running boost.

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bbrasse1 - 2013-09-23 11:12 PM

Hi,
Why did you move the rear axle bumpers inside of the frame??
Thanks,
Bob Brasse

NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BOB BY THE TERM "BUMPER" BUT WE SHORTENED THE AXLES TO GIVE THE WHEELS THAT REVERSED RETRO LOOK.
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bbrasse1
Posted 2013-10-02 3:59 PM (#401043 - in reply to #399938)
Subject: RE: where it all started for me


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Maybe it was a change in 58 but my supports for the rubber stops or bumpers for the rear axle housing are outboard. I see yours are inside the frame. Just curious.
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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-10-02 6:42 PM (#401072 - in reply to #301594)
Subject: Re: where it all started for me



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Bump rubbers?

The rubbers that cushion the blow when an axle reaches the limit of its travel...
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