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Location: Pittsburgh, PA | Hi All, Here is a proposed list of forums rules. Please reply and add your input. I'd like to see what everyone thinks. -Dave ForwardLook.net is a website and forum for all to enjoy. Membership is open to everyone, and owning a Forward Look vehicle is not required. Through your participation we hope this website continues to be a great place for people to gather, discuss these great cars and be entertained.
This is a ‘public’ forum, so obviously certain rules must be established to ensure this site remains a great place for Forward Look vehicle enthusiasts to gather. These rules are outlined in more detail below, however most are simply common sense in nature – such as respect other members and do not engage in any illegal activity. While we consider simply “use common sense” and “be polite & respectful” to be rules enough, time has shown us that some folks need to have more clearly documented rules in order to interact well with others here. As Wizard says, “Common sense is not so common”. The Moderators and Administrator staff will enforce these site rules as necessary, which may include giving warnings, suspensions or banning members from site use.
Suspensions vary in level based on the severity of an offense and are given at the discretion of a Moderator or Administrator. The member receiving the suspension will receive an email explaining the offense and any time frames associated with the suspension.
Bans from the website are also administered at the discretion of the Moderator and Administrator staff. Members can be banned from the site for a single offense if it is warranted; therefore it is not necessary for a member to receive a suspension(s) prior to being banned. Forum Rules Moderator Rules/Duties -- These have been in place for years. I am posting them for discussion.
- Move, freeze, delete and edit threads when appropriate.
- Alert the Admins to inappropriate posts and/or members who chronically break the rules.
- Help mediate any arguments between members and be available to answer general questions from them.
- Keep conversations flowing in your assigned forum.
- If you need assistance, please speak to another moderator before making big decisions.
- Don't close or delete threads you simply don't agree with. Reply with your own constructive counter-argument / criticism. You are not a censor – but you are expected to help keep everyone’s posts civil should the need arise.
- Don't delete threads unless necessary (or the thread serves no useful purpose). Use the Freeze Thread function instead. Threads or replies should only be moved to dead threads if it blatantly goes against the rules. Use your judgment.
- Visit the board at least once a day if you can. Try to review all the new topics posted for each day in the forum you moderate.
- If you feel that you can't keep up with this schedule, just let us know and you can be moved to a forum with less traffic, or some more moderators can be assigned to help you out.
- Take part! Just because you are a moderator doesn't mean you can't take part in a discussion. Try to facilitate a discussion.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Does humour belong in cars? 
A fine steak might need some spices every now and then - I see that there are no shakers on the table 
Well, joke aside - it's sad that the rules needs to be written in stone, anyway I will try to follow them as good as I can and moderate as good as I can.
The site might be a duller place, but it's not up to me - that's up to Dave to decide.
We don't have any of those verbal fights in our region - and the first 5 rules is normal behavior for typical Swedish Raggare, but with a glimt in their eyes
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Location: Dellslow, West ("By God") Virginia ! | GOOD LORD! Too much! I'd have a hard time memorizing all that. Ok, lets say, I'm gonna apost a topic I need to know something about. I start,,,,, oops it violates rule #,,,,,. Start again. Well that statement violates rule #,,,,,. OK if I move my 3rd paragraph to the first, and take out the third sentense,,,,,,. Naw, that violates the bottom rule. Ok, scratch all that, start again, naw, that violates the middle rule,,,,,. Daggone. All there is going to be is a blank, because according to your rules, someone 'may' be offended unless one uses a greeting in their native language. A bunch more blanks and a period. LOL
If the rules are enforced exactly the way they are written, can't much say anything, except,,,,, We Idolize, Neil and Ronbo. That statement does NOT violate any rules. The ONLY topics of discussion, will be what those two and a few others apporve. How much fun would that be listening to that bunch explain why you don't do that, or shouldn't do this, to YOUR vehicle, because,,, they said so, and well, it doesn't violate the rules,,,,,,,,. Whew!
All that is TOO complicated. Just delete EVERYTHING! Start over with ONLY four sections. A Fo rsale section, a Wanted section, a correct Neil section, and a political correct Ronbo section. Make TWO rules. Can't ever, talk about removing the data plates and Muppets.
THERE! The new and improved _________________________ (fill in whatever name you think is approiate, so long as it doesn't violate any rules) Site! Whoo-Haw! |
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA | These rules are pretty much a default set of rules utilized by the vast majority of forums out there. They will work fine here, as they work fine elsewhere. Unfortunately it has come to this. Some people either don't know when they are crossing the line, or push the limits constantly. Therefore, it's now all spelled out. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Nothing but common sense rules on civility, here.
This is a serious website, for polite discussion on FWDLK issues.
I can see why certain members would have a hard time in understanding civility and politeness.
The main concern would be in enforcing these rules.
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Location: bishop, ca | This is a good example, that Rick has, unwittingly, provided, above here.
Let's say that he or Aaron or Chaney (to name the Usual suspects) posts something like this on a thread.
The comments have nothing to do with a car's merits or features, etc.
What can we do, and what can anyone expect to happen, after complaining about such an attack?
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA | d500neil - 2012-02-20 2:46 PM This is a good example, that Rick has, unwittingly, provided, above here. Let's say that he or Aaron or Chaney (to name the Usual suspects) posts something like this on a thread. The comments have nothing to do with a car's merits or features, etc. What can we do, and what can anyone expect to happen, after complaining about such an attack? In the past, the repercussions for breaking our simple "play nice" rule have been on a case-by-case basis. As with being forced to enumerate a list of rules and guidelines for conduct as above, we will obviously have to spell out a list of penalties as well. Not to put the cart before the horse, I wanted input on what folks thought of the rules above first. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Thanks, Dave; BTW, Dave very well enforces civility and on-thread discussions on this website's
separate daily List Server.
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | d500neil - 2012-02-20 2:46 PM
This is a good example, that Rick has, unwittingly, provided, above here.
Let's say that he or Aaron or Chaney (to name the Usual suspects) posts something like this on a thread.
The comments have nothing to do with a car's merits or features, etc.
What can we do, and what can anyone expect to happen, after complaining about such an attack?
i really , really don't want to make this statement but i KNOW there are a lot thinking the same thing !
the above statement is a prime example of how things get foot hold on getting outta hand and as far as i'm concerned , a snide way to get a remark posted or if you will , the last bash , that is only more detrimental to the proper functioning of forward look and don't get me wrong , there are other posts in the last few days that would fall under the same self serving status . again neil "it aint personal" ! you , ME and everyone else here , have to understand , to shoot a gun you need ammo , stop the ammo no one gets shot ! ------------------------------------------------------------------later
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Location: Midwest USA | Nobody "reads" forum rules when they sign up to be a member of a forum.
They will need specifically e-mailed or private-messaged to any "offenders".
At least the rules are "there" and now admin's can private-message any "offenders", 'this is a white flag, no action needed on your part, but please read the forum rules posted here <link>'. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Chuck, I purposely did not mention your name, because you are not an antagonist on the threads.
Dispute at will what somebody might say or claim, but don't call him names, or threaten him, just to try to make that-person
seem to be stupid or irrelevant to a discussion, or to make 'you' seem to be important by berating him, personally.
There is a term for people who try to appear innocently non-aware of what is happening around him, or, not to
understand, fully, that his message is MEANT to be provocative or demeaning: disingenuous, which bis a nice term for
bull-shiit.
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Location: Blythewood, SC | I like the rules.
Frequently my daughter walks through the office when I'm on this forum. Today she came through when I was looking at the "Postcards" thread (which is one of my favorite threads) and there was porn on it. I don't look at porn, and I don't read the porn thread in the Nether Region. But I certainly don't want to see porn filtering up into the main forum.
As I see it, the rules are posted. The rules are the rules. If you don't like the rules, don't post here or don't read this site. I don't think the mods are dictators, but I would like to see these rules enforced once they are in force.
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Location: Blythewood, SC | GearSpear - 2012-02-20 4:27 PM
Kind of like a "this is your first strike, three strikes and you're out" :)
I like this too. |
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Location: NorCal | alumcanTandThd - 2012-02-20 11:04 AM
GOOD LORD! Too much! I'd have a hard time memorizing all that.
Not hard at all, just remember The Golden Rule. |
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Location: Dellslow, West ("By God") Virginia ! | d500neil - 2012-02-20 5:10 AM
Chuck, I purposely did not mention your name, because you are not an antagonist on the threads.
Dispute at will what somebody might say or claim, but don't call him names, or threaten him, just to try to make that-person
seem to be stupid or irrelevant to a discussion, or to make 'you' seem to be important by berating him, personally.
There is a term for people who try to appear innocently non-aware of what is happening around him, or, not to
understand, fully, that his message is MEANT to be provocative or demeaning: disingenuous, which bis a nice term for
bull-shiit.
MY GOD! What an ego! WHEW! Big as all of Calif! |
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Location: bishop, ca | So, when EYE say something true it's an "ego", but when the COURT JESTER tries to be cute, or funny, or a smart aleck(ass),
well, that's perfectly OK for him to say anything he wants, personally, against anyone, any time.
Nice avatar, btw.
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Location: Colorado, Pike's Peak | Dave I think the rules as you have them are fine. When someone joins they should be asked to read them and agree with them. It is too late to send them after an infraction and someone has their hackles up.
On an RVing site I "own" I summarize similar rules at the bottom by including the simple phrase, "Now go do the right thing"!
It is sad that many do not seem to know what right and wrong are anymore. Smart people can be so dumb! Hey I realize that some of us understand nuts, bolts and cars and mechanical stuff better than people and interpersonal relations but it is never too late to grow.
I hate to see the workload increased because you have to discipline the "children". Your inspiration to host this group and your desire to do it well are an inspiration and definitely do a lot for Forward Look(ers) everywhere. Just keep on doing "the right thing".
I know this sounds like a big "atta-boy" and it is!
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Location: Connecticut | Good post, Slim. I also think that the rules are fine. Ron
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Location: The Mile High City | Very good, but I don't think anyone will read them. My suggestion is to simplify! Quick reading and clear understanding: - No personal attacks, rudeness, insulting posts, or purposeless inflammatory posts.
- No pornography.
- No profanity.
- No spamming nor trolling.
If you feel a post has been made that is against any of the rules, please use the "Alert" feature by clicking the icon located in the upper right corner of each post. This will alert the website staff to the issue. - Members agree to maintain a valid email address at all times. Each member is allowed one login account. Registering with multiple accounts is not allowed.
- Any post or thread on ForwardLook.net is considered as available copyrighted by ForwardLook.net and should be treated as such. No post or thread by any member or vendor will be considered representative of ForwardLook.net or its staff. Posting in the forums is done at your own risk. All posts, attachments, and threads on ForwardLook.net are considered the property of ForwardLook.net and are free for personal use. Commercial use, harvesting and reposting on other websites all require explicit permission from the site administrators. (The purpose of this rule is to allow us to go after spam site who harvest our content to fill their sites and capture search engine traffic).
- While these rules cover most common situations, they cannot anticipate everything. Consequently we reserve the right to take any actions we deem appropriate to ensure these forums are not disrupted or abused in any way.
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | I haven't read the long list of rules yet , but it is very hard for me not to respond to the B.S. that is in this thread. ' Oh what gift the giftey give us , to see ourselves as others see us " and that goes for the ones that think I am talking about someone else. Who among us is righteous? . Maybe not you......................MO |
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Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | So Dave if I in not so many words called your car a piece of s**t because it had to do with its merit or if I posted all day long in every thread telling you how you could do a better job restoring your car how would that fall into the "rules"
Please explain the difference between a bully and a condescending know it all ??
Did you appoint the "usual suspects" as the all mighty Gods of pointing out everthing wrong with the cars posted?? Do the rest of the members enjoy watching cars tore to bits by these suspects?
If these are the rules then lets apply them to all!!
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Location: Snohomish, WA. | d500neil - 2012-02-20 11:30 AM Nothing but common sense rules on civility, here. This is a serious website, for polite discussion on FWDLK issues. I can see why certain members would have a hard time in understanding civility and politeness. The main concern would be in enforcing these rules. If the definition of civility is attacking all cars which in YOUR opinion don't measure up to some anal vision of correctness only your mind holds, Neil, yeah, civility. Mike
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And I gotta say, Lancer Mike, me thinks you protest too much for some of what you have personally posted in the sewer.
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Location: Midwest USA | Lancer Mike - 2012-02-20 7:27 PM
Very good, but I don't think anyone will read them. My suggestion is to simplify! Quick reading and clear understanding
Agreed!
People may just actually READ the "rules" if they are all right there in a FEW simple lines as opposed to scroll, scroll, scroll, holy crap, where is the bottom, scroll, scroll, scroll, d@mn, still not there, scroll, scroll, scroll, there HAS to be an END, scroll, scroll, scroll, oh there's the end, FINALLY. |
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Location: Northen Virginia | I would also consider a $ fine (PayPal Donation) for reactivating a suspended account, just like uncle Sam does pocket hurt more than anything.
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| StillOutThere - 2012-02-20 6:47 PM
Personally, I don't want my First Amendment right of free speech guaranteed by the Constitution of the US threatened anywhere or at any time.
Wayne --
To quote "The Great Dissenter," Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.,
"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent."
Methinks we are too concerned nowadays about our rights and not our responsibilities. If we all live up to our responsibilities, none of us have anything to fear for your rights. We must bear in mind the substantial difference between liberty and license.
I see nothing wrong in expecting we FLK-ers to exercise a little responsibility and civility in our comments so that we all might avoid "the substantial evils" that Justice Holmes addressed.
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Location: Connecticut | Would it be a good idea to email the revised Board Rules to all the members, assuming this can be done in an automated fashion ? There are a lot of folks that don't stop by here very often, and may not be aware of the changes.
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Location: central oklahoma! | the most common problems that seem to constantly resurface are these: 1. POLITICS- we all have 'em, you're not changing anyone's mind, so shut up and move on. 2. RACE/ ETHNICITY- just like your belly button, everybody has one. if you don't like somebody or a group of somebody's, see rule no. 1. 3. CAR CRITICISM- keep it to yourself unless someone SPECIFICALLY asks you for your opinion. and be nice about it. 4. OTHER CLUBS/ FORUMS- if you want to talk about 'em, go there. not here. yes, there are other hot-button topics, such as gay issues, religion, national talk-like-a-pirate-day, etc., but these seem to be the most frequent contributors of discord. perhaps they deserve prominent display. |
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA | We do not have to email them out to everyone; they will be clearly posted. Also, no rules have really changed. It is the same policy we have always followed, but have just been lax in enforcing. If people choose not to read the rules because "it's too long", that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that if they break the rules there will be a penalty. As is often said, "ignorance of the law is no excuse".
Aaron, the moderators are able to use common sense here to evaluate whether a post is an attack or an opinion. And any member is able to contact Hank or me should they feel singled-out by moderator, but few have ever done so. PM me if you want me to call you to discuss this -- I have already PMed you.
For those of you who repeatedly have issues with every single posting by certain members, just go into your control panel and click "Add/Edit ignore list" and simply ignore them. Done.
Likewise, if anyone here has issues with simple rules concerning civil behavior, or the enforcement thereof, no one is forcing you to come here. We are simply asking that folks play nice; if they won't, then they will be removed. No different than the rules for any other organization, club, restaurant, bar, workplace, airport, etc., etc.
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Location: Connecticut | 59savoy - 2012-02-21 1:26 PM 3. CAR CRITICISM- keep it to yourself unless someone SPECIFICALLY asks you for your opinion. and be nice about it.
So how do you define 'CAR CRITICISM' ? If there's a random car for sale somewhere on the web, do you see a problem with us discussing the pros and cons of this car ? Note: We're not talking about trashing someone's car here. Just its strengths and weaknesses, and what we think it'll bring (if it's on ebay, for example).
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | 59savoy - 2012-02-21 7:26 PM
the most common problems that seem to constantly resurface are these: 1. POLITICS- we all have 'em, you're not changing anyone's mind, so shut up and move on. 2. RACE/ ETHNICITY- just like your belly button, everybody has one. if you don't like somebody or a group of somebody's, see rule no. 1. 3. CAR CRITICISM- keep it to yourself unless someone SPECIFICALLY asks you for your opinion. and be nice about it. 4. OTHER CLUBS/ FORUMS- if you want to talk about 'em, go there. not here. yes, there are other hot-button topics, such as gay issues, religion, national talk-like-a-pirate-day, etc., but these seem to be the most frequent contributors of discord. perhaps they deserve prominent display.
Ahmm, is it ok to call politicians a race/ethnicity and to ask them to shut up and move on  I know that the politicians likes to be apart from all the rules that applies on the rest of us, but we dont need to mix them up with race and ethnicity - they are just scumbags and should maybe be threated as such 
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Location: central oklahoma! | ronbo97 - 2012-02-21 12:59 PM 59savoy - 2012-02-21 1:26 PM 3. CAR CRITICISM- keep it to yourself unless someone SPECIFICALLY asks you for your opinion. and be nice about it. So how do you define 'CAR CRITICISM' ? If there's a random car for sale somewhere on the web, do you see a problem with us discussing the pros and cons of this car ? Note: We're not talking about trashing someone's car here. Just its strengths and weaknesses, and what we think it'll bring (if it's on ebay, for example ). Ron that is a fight i have never been involved in. ever. since 2004, or whenever i joined, i have only witnessed these constant catfights as a bystander, and generally when it has flowed down into the sewer from above. however, the theme is constantly the same; "guru's", "purists", etc. in one corner and the customizers in the other. it shouldn't be that hard to figure out. if someone legitimately asks a question as to a car's value, it should be fairly obvious to all to say, "this one has rusty rocker panels. deduct $XXX from $XXX for one without that problem." as to custom work, it is impossible to say what the market may bear for a non-original specimen. value should not be that hard to discuss. on the other hand, if someone posts a pic of their ride and someone chimes in with, "why did you change the color? you've ruined what it could have brought!" guess what? somebody isn't going to win a popularity contest. worse, somebody else starts complaining about it. then the original commentator gets upset. then his friends are mad. ad nauseum. |
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Location: Connecticut | 59savoy - 2012-02-21 4:35 PM on the other hand, if someone posts a pic of their ride and someone chimes in with, "why did you change the color? you've ruined what it could have brought!" guess what? somebody isn't going to win a popularity contest. worse, somebody else starts complaining about it. then the original commentator gets upset. then his friends are mad. ad nauseum.
Can't speak for others, but I do not post negative comments about someone's ride, because it's their car and they can do with it whatever they want.
OTOH, if there's a car on ebay that the seller advertises as 'the best in the world', blah, blah, blah...then there will be comments from the Board members, both pro and con. Cars still sell, no matter how many positive or negative comments are posted. If anything, we may be helping the sale by giving the car free publicity. In the movie world, they say, 'any publicity is good publicity'.
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Location: bishop, ca | 61 Plymy said:
If the definition of civility is attacking all cars which in YOUR opinion don't measure up to some anal vision of correctness only your mind holds, Neil, yeah, civility.
Ronbo said:
OTOH, if there's a car on ebay that the seller advertises as 'the best in the world', blah, blah, blah...then there will be comments from the Board members, both pro and con. Cars still sell, no matter how many positive or negative comments are posted. If anything, we may be helping the sale by giving the car free publicity. In the movie world, they say, 'any publicity is good publicity'.
Mike, please tell us how Ron is "attacking" the car's owner, or any other guest (which we all are, here) on this website?
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Ah.... I have to be honest here... I do like the critiques from the more knowledgable , dare I say "Purists" on the forum. Although I will never have a concourse restored car, I still want to know what makes them correct. Having owned an original 1969 Dodge Daytona, that I was later reunited with AFTER a full concourse restoration. it was breathtaking. The new owners trailer the car and keep it locked up in a museum. I owned it for years and drove the livin begeebies out of it. Different owners, different lifestyles, different interests in the same car...... but It is still the car in either form that holds the magic for me. I want both. ronbo97 - 2012-02-21 12:59 PM 59savoy - 2012-02-21 1:26 PM 3. CAR CRITICISM- keep it to yourself unless someone SPECIFICALLY asks you for your opinion. and be nice about it. So how do you define 'CAR CRITICISM' ? If there's a random car for sale somewhere on the web, do you see a problem with us discussing the pros and cons of this car ? Note: We're not talking about trashing someone's car here. Just its strengths and weaknesses, and what we think it'll bring (if it's on ebay, for example ). Ron |
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | I just skimmed thru the rules--Question-- How does a member respond when one of rhe 'Gurus" or anyone else. gives out false information for all to see. and their ego will not let them admit it. And after all when they have the additude that says" how dare you question me when I know so much more than you do." do we go whineing to the moderator? what if a moderator is the quilty one??
How would you like it if you had a car on ebay trying to sell and you have someone out there that are telling 100's of potential buyers all the things that are wrong with it? Some people think the Golden Rule is is for the other person.
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Location: Michigan | 1) Rules are good they set a baseline expectation of behaviour.
2) I have a hard time with the no profanity rule... I mean seriously, how can you work on an old car and not swear. Step up and cast a stone if you can honestly say you haven't done this. /watches very skepticly.
3) We now must be politically correct when picking on cars. EG: You cannot call a vehicle a 4 door. That would be offensive. It is polite to say ' the horizontally challenged vehicle'.
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Location: Midwest USA | MOPAR-TO-YA - 2012-02-23 6:40 PM
I just skimmed thru the rules--Question-- How does a member respond when one of rhe 'Gurus" or anyone else. gives out false information for all to see. and their ego will not let them admit it. And after all when they have the additude that says" how dare you question me when I know so much more than you do." do we go whineing to the moderator? what if a moderator is the quilty one??
I'm fairly new to the forum and don't even own any classic cars, would love to, just don't have the resources - yet.
The "ego will not let them admit it" bit, I've already seen it several times on these forums (all car forums, I might add, not just "here").
The "how dare you question me", it's been my objective view that when these types of "two brick walls" face off with each other and start bitching, whining, and cursing back and forth, it is becuase they are BOTH being quite the pri-cks - at least that's how they BOTH come across to us third-party observers having to watch over their public escapade.
It seems to me, a casual observer, that owning classic cars really does turn people into brick walls.
Of course not "all", but I'd suspect that the objective classic car owner does know what I'm talking about, it can't only be us non-owners that actually have the "vision" to see the "brick wall behavior".
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I want to use this post as an example of how NOT to approach the discussion forums.
Usage of the word "pri-cks" is not conducive to getting your point across.
In fact, by its usage, you are simply fanning the flames.
One can express his/her opinion without resorting to the calling of names, usage of creative vulgarities, and fingerpointing.
We are trying to defuse what through the "Thin Skin" thread has shown to be an acrimonious situation of the "US vs THEM" attitude of two types of car lovers on this sight:
Those that evidently appreciate only AACA restored vehicles, and like to criticize any modifications, and those whom have decided that modified rod-type cars are superior to any "factory" offering.
The truth is, both types of vehicles exist simply for the cold hard truth that either no restoration parts are available for them, the price of parts is exhorbitant, or simply the owner wishes to have something unique even if it could be restored to factory offered condition.
This does not lessen the appreciation of the great majority of forum users that all cars have intrinsic value beyond "factory" or "ratrod" status.
Only the cases of where someone has turned a good car into a couch generally unites us all (if then).
So in ending, lets NOT continue to spew vitriol and name-calling when it provides NO positive result to the forum.
Your mother/grandmother probably told you "If you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all".
I think more of that process should be applied in the future to exchanges within the community.
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Location: Ripon, WI | GearSpear - 2012-02-24 3:02 AM
MOPAR-TO-YA - 2012-02-23 6:40 PM
I just skimmed thru the rules--Question-- How does a member respond when one of rhe 'Gurus" or anyone else. gives out false information for all to see. and their ego will not let them admit it. And after all when they have the additude that says" how dare you question me when I know so much more than you do." do we go whineing to the moderator? what if a moderator is the quilty one??
I'm fairly new to the forum and don't even own any classic cars, would love to, just don't have the resources - yet.
The "ego will not let them admit it" bit, I've already seen it several times on these forums (all car forums, I might add, not just "here" ).
The "how dare you question me", it's been my objective view that when these types of "two brick walls" face off with each other and start bitching, whining, and cursing back and forth, it is becuase they are BOTH being quite the pri-cks - at least that's how they BOTH come across to us third-party observers having to watch over their public escapade.
It seems to me, a casual observer, that owning classic cars really does turn people into brick walls.
Of course not "all", but I'd suspect that the objective classic car owner does know what I'm talking about, it can't only be us non-owners that actually have the "vision" to see the "brick wall behavior".
Eh, some of us have more of a "its your car do what you want with it" kinda attitude. There are those that think something can be only one way, and they never seem to like to waver from their stands. Myself, I think some should realize that varying degrees of funding and desire affect what people will do with their cars, and they need to respect the owner for what the guy or gal is, the owner. |
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Location: Midwest USA | Agreed.
The "brick wall" topics are almost alway not related to their cars.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that "classic car owners" have some very EXTREME views on politics, economics, government subsidies, and the like and will downright REFUSE to budge ONE "brick" from that "wall" when discussing such extreme views.
Someone else pointed out that this is a "car" forum, why is politics and econimics even being discussed, but that's simply too far fetched, "bricks walls" with OPINIONS *WILL* "voice them".
And unwavering they will be. Just a fact of life. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | GearSpear - 2012-02-24 4:08 PM
Agreed.
The "brick wall" topics are almost alway not related to their cars.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that "classic car owners" have some very EXTREME views on politics, economics, government subsidies, and the like and will downright REFUSE to budge ONE "brick" from that "wall" when discussing such extreme views.
Someone else pointed out that this is a "car" forum, why is politics and econimics even being discussed, but that's simply too far fetched, "bricks walls" with OPINIONS *WILL* "voice them".
And unwavering they will be. Just a fact of life.
This is kind of spot on actually - Gosh (you know what I cannot write here) I'm made out of brick myself, but I'm not the wall, I'm just another brick in the wall.
Could very well be that we are extreme because our societies treats us like the dinosaurs we are and we are feeling bad (the real world will be censored, so -letting water) about it. |
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