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darbydun
Posted 2005-01-29 7:22 PM (#22964)
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After years of looking, I found a 1958 Desoto Explorer 9 passenger wagon. I was anxious to get it home and then came the call. The car had come loose on the car carrier, flipped off the back and landed on its nose. What a wreck. Any thoughts from you guys on what you would do? Worth restoring? I am quite bummed out this evening.



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Jessica Hendricks
Posted 2005-01-29 9:04 PM (#22986 - in reply to #22964)
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Tell that company they owe you a 58 Desoto Explorer Wagon...

I of all people try to overcome the impossible and repair what many would not attempt... but i dont think that theres hope for this one, unfortunately. That frame is toast.

It might be easier to turn a 6 passg. into the 9 using some of this car's useable parts (are there any?).

I am bummed with you this evening....

Jessica
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MorePar
Posted 2005-01-30 4:17 AM (#23018 - in reply to #22986)
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Ouch! I am so upset right along with you. I hope the guy had coverage and you find an even nicer car!

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Posted 2005-01-29 9:10 PM (#22990 - in reply to #22964)
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Holy s**t!

Someone owes you a replacement vehicle!! INEXCUSABLE!!

Hope you find a good attorney to help you. I don't usually partake of the slimey ones, but this calls for all out warfare.

I agree with Jess, that car is totally wasted due to some ignorant a**hole not tieing it down before hitting the road. You been Ripped!

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Ply474
Posted 2005-01-29 9:42 PM (#22996 - in reply to #22964)
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Thats a terrible shame. I hope you hold them responcible. Seeing that makes me ill.
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Posted 2005-01-29 9:49 PM (#22998 - in reply to #22964)
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such a shame,a waste of a very rare car,due to stupidity.But I know of another 58 DeSoto Station Wagon.If interested send me a message and I'll give you the guys e-mail address who has the car.
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savoyboy
Posted 2005-01-29 10:50 PM (#23005 - in reply to #22964)
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Oh that sucks big time! WOW! Completely unacceptable! Tell us what the guy said to you about how this happened.
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Posted 2005-01-29 11:49 PM (#23009 - in reply to #23005)
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sorry for your loss....rear car.....if you do think of rebuilding...i know of a good S/W frame in Tucson.....Please also tell us who you used...SO WE NEVER DO!!...John
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sportony
Posted 2005-01-29 11:45 PM (#23008 - in reply to #22964)
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Darbydun,

Hey man - my heartfelt sympathy towards you. I know what you went through. I recently bought a 57 belvedere and the F%@*%$!* retarded clown I purchased it from didn't even bother to bolt the front fenders on or attatch the hood to the hood latches - he just "bungee corded" everything together. (actually, he didn't even do that - he paid one of his flunkies to do it for him) He assured me it was secure. I paid a transport company to pick it up, and had to even pay extra because it was a "non-operational car". Naturally it was the first car on the trailer, thus hitting the wind on the transport trailer head on. Needless to say, the fenders and hood flew off of the car in mid transport, and flew into the traffic behind the transport carrier. Thank God no one was killed. I asked him the several weeks before picking the care up to make sure the car could steer and brake, as per the contract that the transport company required. "I've been a mechanic and car restorer for years, and it won't be a problem" he told me. Long story short, He couldn't get the e-brake secured, and didn't even bother securing the tie rods back together, so the wheels steered independently of each other ! All of this from a guy who "restored cars for a living". Well, ultimately it was my fault, I should have known - when you deal with losers, you lose.

You may however want to carefully review the contract with the transport company that you dealt with. Make sure it doesn't exempt them from responsiblity in such a case. These transport companies will squirm, deny, and do anything else to get out of being responsible for such accidents - hense the long, "small type" contracts they make you sign. I know the people I dealt with made me sign a three page contract, all in "small type". Despite my best efforts there was no way could I get compensation for the hood and fender. I didn't lose the entire car like you, but my greatest concern was that no one was killed in the accident.

I hate to sound optimistic with such a loss, but perhaps your loss was a blessing in disguise. You never know what could have happend during / after the restoration. Perhaps the good Lord never meant for you to have that car. Someone may have gotten injured or even died in the car. In mycase, I felt my car was cursed. I was going to restore it for my dad (who used to own one), but then I thought that after the restoration he may have been involved in an accident and gotten hurt or even killed in that car. I could have never lived with myself after that. Again, I feel for your loss, and I don't mean to sound like a preacher, but somethings in life are not meant to be - and usually for a reason, esp. if HE is looking out for you.

But, none the less, I would persue every legal measure to try and get compensation for your loss. You may want to seek out a lawyer who specializes in contract law. However, this may prove to be more expensive than the car was worth. There is a lot of pros and cons with your situation, not to mention the time and trouble you will have to go through to get what compensation is rightfully yours. Good luck with your situation, and God Bless you.
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4wardlook
Posted 2005-01-30 12:07 AM (#23010 - in reply to #22964)
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WoW! That runied my night!! and it was going very well, i just got done watching 9 hrs of Barrett & Jackson Auction did any else watch it and did you see that 54 Olds f-88 go for 3 million!! Wow what a great car!
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Posted 2005-01-30 12:40 AM (#23013 - in reply to #22964)
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Did this car come out of Oregon?

What a shame.
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Posted 2005-01-30 4:30 AM (#23019 - in reply to #22964)
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Usually I try to see things from the other persons point of view,
but in this case I just can't get my head that far up my ass!!
What was that driver thinking about when he loaded your car,
where his next beer was coming from? I'd go after that company for all
you can get.

That is exactly why I go after all of my cars myself. I use vacation days. Luckily
I own a 26 ft. enclosed trailer from my racing days and my sister has a crew cab
duelie, diesel she lets me use. In the long run it doesn't cost any more than hiring a
transporter and in most of my cases I actually saved a few dollars.

Sorry for your lose and good luck with the outcome.
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Ian
Posted 2005-01-30 12:33 PM (#23028 - in reply to #22964)
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I'm gutted for you Duncan, it's such a tragic waste of a rare car. There doesn't even appear to be anything left to salvage, it took a real beating. I hope you can claim from the carriers.
I know how long it took me to find my '58 Wagon ... All the best.

This picture is your car a few years back I think...



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darbydun
Posted 2005-01-30 7:34 PM (#23069 - in reply to #23028)
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Yep. That is the one. I saw it on the pictures from the Rhody festival web site and called Jim Burns. He was great to work with and sold it to me. I have a 1957 Desoto Shopper wagon and have always wanted the 1958 since it had better lines on the side with the upward sweep. Yep. its toast now. I am going to get the pieces from it and continue to look for another.
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dean j.
Posted 2005-01-30 1:06 PM (#23032 - in reply to #22964)
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thats a real mess they made of yer car,how the hell can it just come loose,,we stick 4 straps on just to make sure if were moving any cars, its just the normal lack of respect for other people's pride n joys, take em to the cleaners, do it right from the start as i should a done,,aint had jack **** from the idiots that damaged my car, good luck in finding another and hopefully makeing them buy it for you plus change.dean j.uk
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DeS4me
Posted 2005-01-30 6:39 PM (#23060 - in reply to #23032)
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HORRIBLE! I can't even imagine. Rare indeed, and now even more rare than before. I have a '57 Explorer and I really feel your pain. They are super hard to find. Unfortunately you need to find another somehow, someway. That one is not saveable. Keep it though.. valuable parts for wagons only!!

Good luck!

Dean Mullinax
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Posted 2005-01-30 9:03 PM (#23076 - in reply to #22964)
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Duncan, Tony, where are you guys from? You forgot to include your location when you all filled out the profile section.
OK, are there any 'Esquires' amongst us? Or, is there an Esqr. in any family members that are on this site, that can give Duncan some much needed bonafide legal advice?
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Ray Bell
Posted 2005-01-30 9:41 PM (#23081 - in reply to #22964)
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What a lousy thing to happen!

If you can get compensation, make sure it includes compensation for finding as well as buying the replacement!

By the way, what was the reason for your particular passion to find this model?
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Posted 2005-01-30 9:44 PM (#23082 - in reply to #22964)
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make the bas***d pay! i bet this wouldn't have happened with a F%&#§ porsche or any F%&/$§ $$$$$$ ride.
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Kenny J.
Posted 2005-01-30 10:08 PM (#23086 - in reply to #22964)
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Sickening! It is beyond words.

Best wishes in finding a replacement. I hope you take whatever you need to make this right out of the muthaf**ker's hide.

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Posted 2005-01-30 11:44 PM (#23104 - in reply to #22964)
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how about sharing the name of the carroer so none of us wind up using them for the next mopar?
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Posted 2005-01-31 1:20 AM (#23118 - in reply to #22964)
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I send a pic at a DeSoto 1957 STW ho I see at a carmeeting. I dont know what modell name at this DeSoto.



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mrtester
Posted 2005-01-31 1:32 AM (#23119 - in reply to #22964)
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I hate to sound like a commercial, but this never would have happened with an enclosed car carrier. But seriously, there are too many incompetent idiots and ass holes out there who are in it only for the money. They are not interested in how they get your project car from A to B, they want as much of your money as possible to do the job in the first place. And they will usually cut corners with an open carrier that is not maintained very well. Whether you move a vintage car yourself, or contract out someone else's service, do it with an enclosed car carrier, and be sure that the car is tied down tight.

Horseless Carriage Carriers is a vintage car transportation company that uses enclosed trailers exclusively. They transport everything from antique and classic project cars to new Rolls and Bentley cars. Horseless Carriage may cost a little more, but their service is worth it. Check them out, just to be sure.


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Kenny J.
Posted 2005-02-01 7:57 PM (#23275 - in reply to #23119)
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Whether you move a vintage car yourself, or contract out someone else's service, do it with an enclosed car carrier, and be sure that the car is tied down tight.







Agreed, now that I've seen this tragedy. I've used an open carrier the last three times and was fortunate, but you are correct, Bernie.

As an aside, I had one rusty vintage car moved by enclosed trailer. It was by a well respected company. Great service, the car arrived safely and on time. The deal soured because the smart-ass driver had to rib me about wasting enclosed space on such a rusted piece of s**t. And he wouldn't let up. As if it was beneath him to move it. What a jerk. He should have kept his opinions to himself. My money is as green as anybody else's. But the office people were great to work with.

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Jkulin
Posted 2005-02-17 1:59 PM (#24481 - in reply to #23119)
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I hate to sound like a commercial, but this never would have happened with an enclosed car carrier. But seriously, there are too many incompetent idiots and ass holes out there who are in it only for the money. They are not interested in how they get your project car from A to B, they want as much of your money as possible to do the job in the first place. And they will usually cut corners with an open carrier that is not maintained very well. Whether you move a vintage car yourself, or contract out someone else's service, do it with an enclosed car carrier, and be sure that the car is tied down tight.

Horseless Carriage Carriers is a vintage car transportation company that uses enclosed trailers exclusively. They transport everything from antique and classic project cars to new Rolls and Bentley cars. Horseless Carriage may cost a little more, but their service is worth it. Check them out, just to be sure.


http://www.horselesscarriage.com/





Firstly Real sorry to hear about your car mate.

With the greatest respect mrtester I am a UK Shippers and Importer and I have imported so many cars now that I cannot give a figure, but what I can say is that 5% of all cars I ship in an Ocean Freight Container through many different companies experience some form of agro/damage, mostly it will buff out, but occasional like with Deans Fury, it can be extensive.

Shipping RORO results in zero claims, I fully appreciate that you might mean internal trucking against shipping, however given a choice I would always ship RORO.

Forgot to mention that the worst thing is that the insurance companies normally invoke a $500 excess, so don't go after the insurance, sue the trucking company instead.

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Ian
Posted 2005-01-31 5:51 AM (#23125 - in reply to #22964)
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Cool Fireflite Shopper you saw there Joakim, typically Scandinavia has them falling out of there ears!

This will probably make you sick Duncan, and I do apologise in advance, but this is in line with what I aim to achieve with my '58 wagon.
(It's not for sale now, this photo is about 4 years old and the owner promises that it's a keeper).

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Windsor59
Posted 2005-01-31 6:48 AM (#23127 - in reply to #22964)
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one more front pic at the same DeSoto Shooper. And Ian you have lots off good pic at mopar fins car.



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DeSotodude61
Posted 2005-02-02 12:35 PM (#23335 - in reply to #23127)
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Ohhhh. Duncan.
Accept my deepest sympathies for your loss. What a horrible, horrible thing to happen. I hope one day you can find another one like her. What a waste. Just goes to show what a little extra time and prep work can prevent. I'm so sorry for you, dude. I hope my DeSoto makes it to Texas next week in one piece.
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darbydun
Posted 2005-01-31 10:38 PM (#23179 - in reply to #22964)
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Thanks everyone for your support. I will continue to look for a replacement. I have come across some Firesweeps but no Fireflites to date.
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dean j.
Posted 2005-02-01 10:48 AM (#23210 - in reply to #22964)
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good luck with the search as am sure you will turn one up, try usabil.nu dean j.
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Posted 2005-02-01 7:54 PM (#23274 - in reply to #22964)
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There's a guy named Smitty who has a DeSoto wagon listed in the FOR SALE section. After you beat the complete and total Hell outta that driver, you might see if his company will buy that one for ya.

My sympathies on your loss, DarbyDun... If I see anything else around my area, I'll let ya know.

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Posted 2005-02-01 11:33 PM (#23300 - in reply to #22964)
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Kenny -

You should have met his commentary with liberal quippage referring to lacking endowment and/ or tendencies as a pooftah. That will usually set his type back on their heels.
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Posted 2005-02-02 8:10 PM (#23371 - in reply to #22964)
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Somebody just posred a 59 Desoto Wagon for sale on the 31st. See cars for sale in FL.
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Posted 2005-02-03 11:34 AM (#23419 - in reply to #22964)
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HOW HORRIBLE! Can this carrier's license be taken away? MAKE THEM PAY.
How the hell do these ------ idiots stay in business! I am so sorry for your loss. And angry too.
What a beautiful dream gone to s---t! Hope you can find a suitable replacement. Beth.
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Posted 2005-02-03 12:07 PM (#23426 - in reply to #22964)
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What transport company did you use, Duncan?
I'm using one out of Oregon, and I need to know if I'm dealing with good people. My car comes next week.

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Posted 2005-02-03 2:52 PM (#23433 - in reply to #22964)
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I have moved hundred's of old cars (from parts cars to show cars) over the course of my long affair with old cars (yes, I'm in the old fart's club) and have never seen anything like this happen. I have heard about it with new car transporters, but never with a speciality, collector car hauler. I have hauled many cars myself on my own trailer, hired many different parties to haul cars for me, and have used open and enclosed transporters. I must say that the majority of the transporters that I have used have been very responsible and professional and I have developed a good deal of respect for what they do. Any one who has hauled cars themselves knows that there is nothing glamorous about pulling an old car out of the weeds and tying it down on a trailer for transport--it is hard dirty work. Tying a car down is a bit of an art in itself, and I have always tried to witness the loading/tying down of my cars or had someone I trust witness it. The trouble is these days is that there is a "new crop" of people doing this work, and they either don't know how to do it right or just plain don't give a s**t--most of it is plain laziness! The truck that your car is shown on after the "incident" looks to be an adequate machine, and assuming it was properly maintained, never should have lost a car like this--again it's the operator! I strongly urge anyone that is going to have a vehicle in any condition transported to check out the company that they hire, This is as easy as asking for references and checking them out or taking advice from friends, acquaintances, or professionals in the collector car hobby.
Just for interest, I have found absolutely no difference with the quality of service between open haulers and enclosed haulers, provided the equipment is adequate and in good shape. The only real difference is the degree of protection that is provided to your vehicle while it is being moved. I use enclosed for nice, restored cars or cars that have valuable parts on them and I use the cheaper, open haulers for project and unrestored cars. The enclosed guys do tend to be the most "professional", but they can also get a little on the uppity side as referenced in one of the above posts, especially when your unrestored and dirty '58 Fury is sharing space with a $1 million dream car--that's their problem, though. If I want to haul a $25, rusty turd in an enclosed hauler and am willing to pay for it, that is between me and the company, not the driver--he just gets paid by the hour like most of us!
It is also important to remember that accidents do happen, but there really is no excuse for what I see here--this definitely appears to be a case of "vehicle tiedown dysfunction" from which you should be substantially compensated! Sorry for your loss and good luck!
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Posted 2005-02-03 6:07 PM (#23456 - in reply to #22964)
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oh my God.... I don't even know what to say...such a damage...an Explorer...all Your time to find it...
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Posted 2005-02-07 11:22 PM (#23819 - in reply to #22964)
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I suggest picking all the good useable parts off the wagon for either resale or to help restore another, then park the stripped out shell in your back yard with the transport driver six feet below it. That sucks huge donkey balls, man.
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Posted 2005-02-18 12:02 AM (#24523 - in reply to #22964)
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Here are some more recent pictures of my wrecked Fireflite. Finally got it delivered and it is a total loss. Will part it out and look for another.
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Posted 2005-02-18 12:02 AM (#24524 - in reply to #24523)
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Posted 2005-02-18 6:45 AM (#24535 - in reply to #24524)
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sure hope you do find another car to suit what your looking for,and hope you have more luck with any insurance company than i have, good job i never relied on them to come up with the goods as i never got nothing as yet,,even thou johns trying to sort something out with them,dean j.
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Posted 2005-02-18 1:33 PM (#24550 - in reply to #22964)
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That surely is a doggone shame. To have your next project ruined by a truck driver that doesn't care enough to secure his load properly is really aggravating I'm sure. Hope you find a better one in the 'yards somewhere and I really hope that you can get some restitution from the trucking company.
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Posted 2005-02-18 8:58 PM (#24567 - in reply to #22964)
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Wow, that's some bad news... obviously whoever tied it down didn't do it right, or they never checked it.

I had a nice reply written out suggesting restoring it anyways, but it looks pretty bad in that second set of pictures. Is the frame broken under the cowl someplace?

I would investigate taking a '57-8 DeSoto (or Chrysler) long-wheelbase sedan, take the glass out, cut the roof off at the top of the posts (maybe leave the first 3" or so of the top on it since that's bent), cut the pan across ahead of the wheelhouses, and remove the rear body. Re-clip the rear of the frame with the wagon frame if it's different, and put the wagon quarters and roof on it. Use the sedan's rockers, B-posts, and entire front clip. You should be able to straighten out the wagon's damaged rear parts in the process - register it with the VIN from this car, too. It would be a lot of work to be sure - but you'd have the car you want when you're done. If it was me, I'd be just plain pissed off and want to put the energy from that into something.... never hurts to try, anything is possible if you can cut and weld.

Remember the production on these is low - less than 1000 for 6-passenger and 9 passenger combined. After I worked out that 4% survival rate, it doesn't leave a lot of possibilities to find another one - about 40 total cars anywhere. Around here, if I find one it will probably need a new frame, too. So it's rebuild from a sedan, or find a '57 and dress it up as this car.


FWIW, there was a '57 DeSoto wagon for sale in Missouri for like $200 on Derbygear.com, I posted about it on this board somewhere. Would make an ideal parts car. I'll see if I can find my post for you -



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Posted 2005-02-18 9:11 PM (#24569 - in reply to #22964)
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Will one of my '58 -'59 Plymouth wagon frames work under a DeSoto wagon? (122' wheelbase)

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Posted 2005-02-18 9:18 PM (#24570 - in reply to #24569)
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Kenny -

That one should be a 126" wheelbase car -

Ad I mentioned is gone from derbygear's site -

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Posted 2005-02-19 2:22 AM (#24587 - in reply to #24570)
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WOW, I didn't realize that much damage could be done by falling off of a trailer.
It looks like it was dropped off of a 100 ft. bridge or something. I've seen other
cars that badly damaged but usually from a head-on with a rock wall or something.
Really sorry for your loss. I know I would be mad enough to go after someone with
the jack handle from the car.

Duncun, you haven't mentioned who the carrier was. Is there some legal
reason for not saying? I sure would like to know who NOT to use.

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Posted 2005-02-21 1:07 AM (#24689 - in reply to #24587)
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For the heck of it I asked the guy who sent me the pictures in those Phoenix-area junkyards if he knew of anything. He says he thinks he saw a DeSoto wagon in the Desert Valley yard - might be kinda bare, but it would be solid at least. If he can remember better I'll pass it on, but it might be worth checking out - maybe if you send them pictures of yours they'll be more reasonable on the price -
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Posted 2005-02-21 2:06 AM (#24694 - in reply to #22964)
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As mentioned before, the truly unique part to this car is the long wheelbase wagon frame. The wagon bodyshell was common to all 57, 58, and 59 cars (Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler included). If a person had a LWB wagon frame to work from, any wagon body could be set on it and built back as an Explorer. I do not know what sets a wagon frame apart from others, but with the original from that black car sitting there in front of you, you would have all the answers you need in what it would take to modify a sedan frame to make a new one. Big job, but it could be done. Been there, done that!
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Posted 2005-02-21 6:03 AM (#24696 - in reply to #22964)
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To build a full size wagon using a parts car would require the rear 12" or so of wagon frame as that is the only part that's different to the passenger car frames, I know this cuz I'm deeply involved in building my full size '58 right now.
Everythin else is the same except that rear crossmember area. aft of the rear axle.

Duncan gonna need a full size '58 parts car, another wagon shell plus whatever parts could be salvaged from the wreck, (which I doubt is very much), probably best to just continue hunting down a full size '58 for now.

I had no choice but to build my wagon from what I had, there are no other '57-59 wagons in the UK and only two known '58 DeSoto Fireflite wagons in Europe/ Scandinavia. None of which are for sale.

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Posted 2005-02-21 6:14 AM (#24697 - in reply to #22964)
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I think this '59 Chrysler was in Desert Valley about 2 years or so back, don't know if it's still there, I doubt it or maybe just the shell.
Still needs the full size frame job to go under it thought but looks a good enough base to start with.



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Posted 2005-02-21 11:42 AM (#24709 - in reply to #24697)
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> and only two known '58 DeSoto Fireflite wagons in Europe/ Scandinavia. None of which are for sale.

This must be one of which you mentioned. I know also another Swedish one in #3 condition and it was for sale in last year, for a price not bad at all. darn, I should have picked up it.. :( PS. The text says "The world's only uncrushed Explorer?" (1997)


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Posted 2005-02-21 12:36 PM (#24713 - in reply to #22964)
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That's one of them Mark, it's the same one that I posted on this thread a page or two back. A very nice car.
The other was, as you say, for sale last year and was snapped up by a collector almost instantly. I also regret not buying that one but I was too late.

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Posted 2005-02-21 1:17 PM (#24719 - in reply to #24713)
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This may sound like a stupid question to those of you who know far more about these cars than I ever will, but could a decent welder take a 122'" wheelbase frame, cut it and add 4" , like the "coach builders" did when converting some of these cars into airport limos and ambulances?

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Posted 2005-02-21 7:33 PM (#24750 - in reply to #22964)
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"This may sound like a stupid question to those of you who know far more about these cars than I ever will, but could a decent welder take a 122'" wheelbase frame, cut it and add 4" , like the "coach builders" did when converting some of these cars into airport limos and ambulances? "

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Sure, you can do just about anything you please. The key points are the cost and time it would take (as in the case of this poor black Explorer) and then all the details of body mount alignment and structural strength. Since the bodies are the same on all 58 DeSoto sedans (and Chrysler), one can surmise that the difference in the frame is in front of the cowl mounting area (we know the fenders are shorter on the Sweeps)

If this poor bugger were dumped in my lap and a strategy had to be made on how to build it back, I would peel the body off the smashed Explorer to reveal the frame, setting the body and interior aside for later.

I would then go hunting for a decent 57-8 DeSoto-Chrysler big body sedan for both the frame and nose clip and possibly some interior stuff.

The sedan would be removed from the frame and set aside for later like the smashed wagon.

From this point, it may work best to graft the tail end of the smashed wagon frame onto the decent sedan frame and make adjustments as needed. All the chassis would already be correct, except for the torsion bars, which would have to be salvaged from the wagon.

Now, go find yourself a short wheelbase wagon for the body (maybe frame parts?) and interior, and start putting it back together! All the rest is factory bolt-up!

Not really that big of a deal. Of course, it is a shame it would be necessary in the first place! Still, there is hope.

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Posted 2005-02-21 10:59 PM (#24780 - in reply to #22964)
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Well guys.... I found another wagon to replace the wrecked 1958 Desot wagon. It was in a barn in Canada so I drove up there this weekend and bought it!! This time I towed it back even though the weather was miserable. This is a decent car and came from North Carolina originally. It has the original roof rack and was painted a house paint white to preserve it or to be a ghost buster car. It was one of those finds in a barn with bird crap on the hood but the key was still in the ignition. I got i home tonight and I am quite happy with it. Must be cursed a bit on these cars because I blew a trailer tire in Buffalo with the car on it.

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Posted 2005-02-21 11:04 PM (#24782 - in reply to #24780)
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Hey Duncan...

Congratulations!

I can't wait to see your replacement vehicle... Please post pictures soon!

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Posted 2005-02-21 11:03 PM (#24781 - in reply to #22964)
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Here are some barn pictures of the 1958 Explorer wagon.
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Posted 2005-02-21 11:05 PM (#24783 - in reply to #22964)
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Congratulations! Is it identical to the lost one?

edit: Well, I guess I'll find out when the pics are posted!

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Posted 2005-02-21 11:26 PM (#24790 - in reply to #24783)
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Good show, man. Now make that bone-headed truck driver pay for the replacement, the trip, etc.

Congrats!

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Posted 2005-02-21 11:25 PM (#24789 - in reply to #22964)
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Sorry about the snafu with the pixs. My digital camera apparently took too large a picture and I can't post but as soon as I get the regular film developed, I'll post those pictures.
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Posted 2005-02-21 11:49 PM (#24793 - in reply to #24789)
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Download Irfanview (find it on google...) and you'll see how easy it is to reduce the size of those pics to post them!

When you've got it set, just open the pic, then go to 'image' then 'resize or resample' and then click on 'set new size as percentage of original' and just put the percentage you need in one of the boxes. If you leave 'preserve aspect ratio' ticked it will come out proportionally correct.

Also make sure the pics are 72 DPI in their resolution. That you have to change separately if it needs changing.

Very easy to do, only 700kb download too. You will never regret having that program.
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Posted 2005-02-22 1:05 AM (#24803 - in reply to #22964)
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...or send 'em to me and I'll resize 'em for you.

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Posted 2005-02-22 7:27 AM (#24807 - in reply to #22964)
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I'm dying here...When are we gonna see your pix of your new acquisition? If you have Microsoft Paint at least on your machine you can resize them with that.
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Posted 2005-02-22 8:05 AM (#24808 - in reply to #22964)
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Man,am I glad to see a happy ending to this story. What a dissapointment it MUST have been when that incompitent trucking company hauled what was left of your once beautiful wagon for you to see. I sure hope they come good in helping you replace her!!!I too cant wait to see the pictures.As far as blowing a tire,crap happens. I`m sure your new car will love it`s new home. Take care,Mike,bigfinmopar56/1960 Phoenix.....................
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Posted 2005-02-22 8:17 AM (#24810 - in reply to #22964)
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Can you resize with Paint?

I've only ever been able to chop one side off at a time, crop the pics in.

Everyone should have Irfanview, so quick and easy! And free!
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Posted 2005-02-22 10:11 PM (#24861 - in reply to #22964)
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I hope this works. Thanks for the help with IrfanView. Well here is my find from the barn in Ontario.
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Posted 2005-02-22 10:29 PM (#24863 - in reply to #22964)
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Think practically nothing of it...
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Posted 2005-02-22 10:44 PM (#24868 - in reply to #22964)
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Well I was able to shrink some of the pictures to load them but the quality may be poor. Anyway here is the new found barn 1958 Desoto Fireflite Explorer from Ontario.

Thanks for the advice for IrfanView.



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Posted 2005-02-23 12:27 AM (#24893 - in reply to #24868)
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Congratualtions. Who'd a thunk you would find one so uickly?

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Posted 2005-02-22 11:19 PM (#24876 - in reply to #22964)
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Good for you! That was quick!!! We trust the trucking company is picking up the tab. . . What happened to the old one?
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Posted 2005-02-22 11:28 PM (#24882 - in reply to #24876)
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I had it delivered to Hearn's Performance Automotive in Navarre Ohio who is doing the mechanical work for my restorations. I am not the handiest guy with a wrench. We are going to part out the wrecked black Desoto and use parts for the Canadian car such as the power windows and tailgate. The Canadian car came with a power seat so that was good. The interior was not too bad on the Canadian car so I think I can salvage some of the vinyl. Ironically, the Canadian car was painted house paint white which helped preserve it. Go figure. I did settle up with the car carrier for the black desoto, but decided to haul the Canadian car myself.
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Posted 2005-02-23 12:28 AM (#24894 - in reply to #22964)
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The house paint may make for some difficulties in the preparation for repainting, but I'm sure a competent panel man will cope with that.

Looks pretty straight!
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Posted 2005-02-23 4:00 AM (#24904 - in reply to #22964)
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The luggage rack on the top had it's own taillamps or someone added a half of '59 Cadillac taillamp there ?
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Posted 2005-02-23 4:31 AM (#24905 - in reply to #22964)
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A HAPPY ENDING TO A TRAGIC STORY. That's the way I like things to end.
Saddly it doesn't happen often enough. Congradulations.
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Posted 2005-02-23 8:48 PM (#24956 - in reply to #24905)
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Good luck with the new car -

Just out of curiousity, where did you find a tow dolly that fits the track of these cars? I seem to remember trying to rent one for an older car once and being told they don't adjust wide enough for large cars.
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Posted 2005-02-23 11:00 PM (#24967 - in reply to #24956)
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I was able to rent a car dolly from General Rental in Massillon Ohio. They have one that fits the large size classics like the wagon. Even though I had a flat, John at General Rental refunded the cost of the replacement tire, the basket straps I bought, and refunded my full rental. Up and up place to rent from.
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Posted 2005-02-24 12:18 AM (#24978 - in reply to #22964)
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That was SUCH an expensive and rare car in the first place. Even with wagons really coming of age in the 50's, a $5000 version was seldom sold when compared to all the low-priced Brand X ones. What a glamorous car! The black car was a Solex glass car, wasn't it? Kind of odd that the white car got a roof rack, but clear glass!

If I ever get my mitts on one of these, tinted glass and a roofrack would be mandatory on that battlecruiser! Another mandatory mod would be the prototype standard passenger car quarters! These made it all the way up to the final months of preparation before being truncated into what we came to know as "wagon quarters". That car with full fins would be absolute dynamite in the styling dept with full fins! I never did understand why Mopar shaved them back at the last minute!

Beautiful car. I am green with envy! How did you come to find the 2nd (very rare) one ????
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Posted 2005-02-24 12:35 AM (#24981 - in reply to #22964)
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darbydun - 2005-02-21 9:59 PM

"Must be cursed a bit on these cars because I blew a trailer tire in Buffalo with the car on it."


Congrats on the new find! A very quick find, I might add. When I was trailering my '58 Plymouth home from Edmonton, Alberta Canada (what a long ride) I too, Had a blowout on my 24' enclosed at about 75 MPH. What fun that was! I guess these FL cars don't like the long haul thru Canada any more than we do! LOL.

Conrats again.

Dave W.

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My58PlymouthFury - 2005-02-23 9:35 PM

I guess these FL cars don't like the long haul thru Canada any more than we do!


You mean there's a worse long haul than I-55 between Joliet and St. Louis?

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Huh. I open (borrowed!) trailered my Belvy all the way from Nova Scota, without any trouble!
I thought I was going to blow all of the trailer tires. They were 205's. Susposed to be rated for 7000 pound! My ass! Sudda been 235's!
I had 45 pounds of air in each one, and they were still all half flat. With the weight of the car, + all of our gear, ( the whole family, 5 and my grandson) + ALL of the extra parts, (didn't have room for two extra doors to a 4 S) + the trailer weight.
Funniest part was, we had just crossed over into New Brunswick from NS, when here came a yellow Suabru with a red front clip and one pass side door, and no muffler. Two guys were totally hanging out the passenger side front and rear windows, screaming, hollering, and waving there arms!
I thought I was loosing something off the trailer! Here, when they went by us I noticed the West Virginia license plates! (held on my one screw)
I guess one bunch of WV rednecks saying "Howdy" to another bunch!
That was the only WV car I seen outside of PA on the whole trip! 2,500 + miles round trip, in 5 days! Two up, two back, and one there.
I pulled to car on the trailer, got the weight just slightly forward past center. Then rolled the car back 1 inch, and tied a chain from the rear end to one of the tie downs. Then rolled the car forward 1 inch untill the chain was tight, and tied a chain from the frame to a tie down in the front.
Then, two ratchet tie downs straight forward, and two rachet tiedowns CRICROSSED in the rear.
I then duck taped a hunk of carpet foam to the windshield, and sutck another hunk in the front and shut the hood.
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Posted 2005-02-24 9:29 AM (#25005 - in reply to #22964)
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What a great looking car! I envy you for finding a replacement so quickly! That must have been solace to a heart broken by the loss of your black beauty! What color are you going to paint it?
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I am going to paint the Canadian car Wedgewood Blue with a white spear and roof. There is an ad out there that shows the color and way I would like to restore the car except without the poodle. I don't think my shepherd would get along with it.
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Posted 2005-02-24 11:16 AM (#25009 - in reply to #22964)
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Congratulations on finding such a rare replacement so fast!ALL THE BEST!
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Don't even think about it

Sorry Ian.  It had to be done

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Posted 2005-02-28 7:09 AM (#25374 - in reply to #22964)
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Dammit Janet!
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Posted 2005-03-01 10:20 PM (#25528 - in reply to #25374)
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I checked out your restoration in progress. Once you option it out as a Fireflite - you will have one nice machine.
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Posted 2005-03-02 12:08 AM (#25542 - in reply to #22964)
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Thanks Duncan.
Has the Canadian car got any side trim? I can't see any mounting holes in the body.



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Email that picture to me for the fins site

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Ian
Posted 2005-03-02 12:51 AM (#25549 - in reply to #22964)
Subject: RE: Share the pain of my lost 1958 Desoto Wagon


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I would if I could find yer address.....
You can save it off here though can't yer?
Here's the proper mag advert................



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darbydun
Posted 2005-03-02 11:27 PM (#25675 - in reply to #22964)
Subject: RE: Share the pain of my lost 1958 Desoto Wagon


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Ian,

Good perception on the rear quarters. The holes are there for the trim but the previous owner painted the 58 Desoto wagon with white house paint so thick it is hard to see. Also the right rear quarter was damaged in an accident years ago, and a body shop pulled the panel straight but may have put a little mud on the top. I have all the trim except it was in the wagon. I Like the ad from '58 and every time I see it I get anxious to get started. If you ever need a good body shell for a wagon, Moore's Auto in Rapid City South Dakota has a nice yellow one from a 1958 Firesweep.
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62chrysler
Posted 2005-03-20 12:57 PM (#27195 - in reply to #22964)
Subject: RE: Share the pain of my lost 1958 Desoto Wagon



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Darby

How's the new car shaping up?  Had a chance to work on it yet?

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rockin T
Posted 2005-07-12 10:20 AM (#34781 - in reply to #22964)
Subject: RE: Share the pain of my lost 1958 Desoto Wagon


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Hi

There is still some left. This one was fore sale at Pomona, 2 years ago. Quite nice car. The price was $ 5500.



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mprmgic
Posted 2005-12-06 2:15 AM (#45058 - in reply to #22964)
Subject: RE: Share the pain of my lost 1958 Desoto Wagon


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Hi- I'm new to the forum but I would like to offer my condolences for your loss and congratulate you on your new '58 Desoto wagon. It is a very rare and neat car. I also like Mopar wagons, I have a '58 Plymouth Sport Suburban wagon which I've owned since 1991. If you're interested, it is pictured on the Plymouth Central website, it is the Tourquoise Iridescent metallic with Iceberg white. I wish you the best of luck and let me know if I can be of any help to you.
Sincerely,
Bill Craffey,mprmgic@aol.com
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