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muddy
Posted 2012-06-16 11:22 PM (#325903 - in reply to #325250)
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christine-lover - 2012-06-11 10:25 PM

Here's the photos of a system in a 1958 Fury from an April 1986 issue of Collectible Automobile.


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That is just Awesom!!
I can't stop looking at that pic.Man that 350 probably would have had some punch too,with F/I on it?.
So i take it that the photo is a late 50's photo printed in the 1980's magazine?


A '58 F/I CG 350 Plymouth Fury...i just got me a new dream car!!.....:)
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Chrome58
Posted 2012-06-19 6:06 AM (#326153 - in reply to #324908)
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Here is an older topic with LOTSA pics : http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19270
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Posted 2012-06-19 1:19 PM (#326192 - in reply to #326153)
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Does anybody have a picture of the emblem on a 1958 Dodge? We know the emblem was on the front fender of the DeSoto and Plymouth, but I would love to see a picture of a Dodge with fuel injection.
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Posted 2012-06-19 1:38 PM (#326195 - in reply to #324908)
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I know a fabricator who works from 3D computer models and a 3D printer. He can make almost anything from comic book characters to Hollywood costume pieces, props, etc. The final product would probably be in resin, although he does metal casting, too. Is that helpful?
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Posted 2012-06-19 3:42 PM (#326210 - in reply to #326192)
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RamPhoenix - 2012-06-19 1:19 PM

Does anybody have a picture of the emblem on a 1958 Dodge? We know the emblem was on the front fender of the DeSoto and Plymouth, but I would love to see a picture of a Dodge with fuel injection.


I would love to see a photo of one of these FI D500. Anybody? I surmise it was on the front fenders and not the rear quarters, listed in the parts catalog as a front fender nameplate. Maybe White does, I've heard he had some photos of a FI Fury back in the day on the beach, Daytona?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2012-06-27 2:24 PM (#327348 - in reply to #326192)
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RamPhoenix - 2012-06-19 11:19 AM

Does anybody have a picture of the emblem on a 1958 Dodge? We know the emblem was on the front fender of the DeSoto and Plymouth, but I would love to see a picture of a Dodge with fuel injection.


I'd like to see one too. On the solid color or standard or deluxe two-tones, the front fender placement would be easy. On the saddle or spring special cars, I don't know what they would do!
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Kelly
Posted 2012-06-29 1:30 PM (#327670 - in reply to #325402)
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d500neil - 2012-06-12 11:33 PM

..I remember "traffic lights" as causing the cars to stumble/stall.



That was the main reason I heard the electrojector was recalled. I didn't know they had paper-wrapped capacitors! Makes sense now...

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fast59desoto
Posted 2012-06-29 5:26 PM (#327694 - in reply to #324908)
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there was a guy who posted in the old forums saying he had found a d500 f/i car in a ravine
never heard anymore about it
so there may be a dodge out there
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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-29 5:54 PM (#327698 - in reply to #327694)
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fast59desoto - 2012-06-29 5:26 PM

there was a guy who posted in the old forums saying he had found a d500 f/i car in a ravine
never heard anymore about it
so there may be a dodge out there


That's the legend I heard. But I guess it's just that.
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Hyfire
Posted 2012-06-29 6:41 PM (#327713 - in reply to #324908)
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On the reliability note... Chrysler paid Norm Thatcher to test drive a pre-production F.I. 300D across county for publicity. Upon arriving in Southern California he was interviewed and quoted as saying it was a flawless trip in the newspapers, however members of his shop many years later said he had non-stop problems and bugs. Added to this, that when he started his trip he was only getting a 4 to 6 miles per gallon. Keep in mind this was only a very short while before the cars actually went on sale.
Chrysler used Norm's shop to prep the West Coast media cars, which included some F.I. cars for the media & VIPs. They also used his shop to remove the F.I. from these specific cars. Norm received crates to return all setups back to Chrysler.

Almost all of them made it back ;0)






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d500neil
Posted 2012-06-29 8:42 PM (#327728 - in reply to #324908)
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The Dodge "in the ravine" was/is a 1957 D501 sedan, that was featured as the "Pile of Dodge" in MoPar Muscle magazine,
15-ish years ago.

That car was found lying on its top, so all of the mechanical goodies were still preserved (sorta).

It was going to be restored, but haven't heard anything about its condition, in many years.






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Posted 2012-06-29 8:54 PM (#327731 - in reply to #324908)
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i have a few pixs of my partial 361" bendix setup,if someone wants to 'crop' them so they can be posted here,PM me with your email address
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d500neil
Posted 2012-06-29 9:01 PM (#327736 - in reply to #327731)
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Chuck; send 'em to me; I'll get them posted here, alright.
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christine-lover
Posted 2012-06-30 5:35 AM (#327767 - in reply to #324908)
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Posted 2012-06-30 1:03 PM (#327816 - in reply to #324908)
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Here's Charlie's pics; slightly smaller...



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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-22 2:32 PM (#352149 - in reply to #324908)
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These photos were taken by a MT photog, in September 1957.

They were posted on page 116 of the "Photographs" thread, but they should be moved over here, to preserve their
presentation

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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-22 2:38 PM (#352150 - in reply to #324908)
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And, just to recap, the PLY and Adventurer Fuelies found, to date:

Plymouth: a Belvedere and a Fury hardtop (immediately above; probably a prototype, but both are seen previously on this thread)

Adventurer: One white one (immediately above; probably a prototype, the gold hardtop, both are seen above) and Tom White's convertible).

300D: dunno how many of them (-their bodies) have survived.

Dodge: None documented to have survived.

Actually, does anyone know the story on that sorta-green Adventurer, on Page 1 of this thread?

Thought that the car's color might be from pigment shifting in its emulsion(a slide photo?), but, the surrounding grass, foliage and sky appear to be Kodachrome-correct, so that car might have been painted in that greenish color???






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d500neil
Posted 2012-12-22 2:51 PM (#352152 - in reply to #324908)
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How about this for a rumor?

There HAD to have been one or more Corp Honchos, or maybe an influential owner, who had tried to get, or got, a Fuelie Imperial.




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Posted 2012-12-22 5:07 PM (#352169 - in reply to #324908)
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Man o Man. those pictured cars are some more beautiful!!!!
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Posted 2012-12-22 5:14 PM (#352171 - in reply to #352149)
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d500neil - 2012-12-22 2:32 PM


These photos were taken by a MT photog, in September 1958.

They were posted on page 116 of the "Photographs" thread, but they should be moved over here, to preserve their
presentation


It's september 1957, not 1958.
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sidesho_bob1961
Posted 2012-12-23 6:56 AM (#352204 - in reply to #324908)
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Desoto headlite bezels are definitely silver in that picture. Just an observation, not related to this exact thread.....

It would be nice to start an "ARCHIVE" thread to post detail vintage photos of "original" cars so restorer's could visit that site to page through the photos to answer their questions about how to paint/restore items for their cars.......just a thought.....or is there already one and I'm missing it?

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Posted 2012-12-23 8:51 AM (#352213 - in reply to #324908)
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I just happened upon a few things that I had received in September from an engineer who was at Chrysler and who knew about the FI stuff. He sent me an article that was in Hemmings in 2004 and a copy of a 14 page "owners manual" for "The Bendix Electrojector" printed/copyright in 1956. He also mentioned a SAE technical paper that was presented Jan 15, 1957 on the FI system. I may be rehashing something but the Hemmings piece says that the cars were built with dual 4s and taken to the DeSoto plant on Warren Ave to be fitted with the FI system and a 40 amp generator. According to a Bendix manual, 2 Fury cars, 16 300 cars, 12 D500 cars & 5 DeSotos received the FI treatment. He also says that there is more on "www.allpar.com about the FI stuff.
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Posted 2012-12-23 9:31 AM (#352222 - in reply to #352213)
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Neil,

Another anecdote of a F/I Dodge.

A man selling parts at the Monroe Swap Meet 20 years ago told me he took the F/I emblems off
a car in a wrecking yard somewhere in SE Washington or NE Oregon a few years previous. When
pressed for details, he said he picked yards all over and could only nail it down that closely. He did
say they came off a Dodge.
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Posted 2012-12-23 9:37 AM (#352223 - in reply to #352204)
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sidesho_bob1961 - 2012-12-24 3:56 AM

Desoto headlite bezels are definitely silver in that picture.

It would be nice to start an "ARCHIVE" thread to post detail vintage photos of "original" cars so restorer's could
visit that site to answer their questions about how to paint/restore items for their cars .......

.....or is there already one and I'm missing it?


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Argent was a new and widely used trim paint for 58 Mopars. All big DeSotos got Argent headlight "buckets"
for 58.

The postcard thread would certainly be a good place to start for period photos that might capture the kind of
car a restorer is looking for evidence of original finish on.
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Posted 2012-12-23 9:56 AM (#352228 - in reply to #352223)
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If he couldn't recall where he pulled the emblems, he probably also couldn't recall what type of car they came from. Plus, don't forget any Chrysler products can be correctly referred to as 'them Dodges'.
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Posted 2012-12-23 11:01 AM (#352238 - in reply to #352228)
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Thanks to tactical interrogation training, I felt his answers were pretty good. He knew his cars and knew
a 57 DeSoto from a 58, and a 57 Dodge from a 58. He also knew a Dodge from a DeSoto.

Perhaps you talked to him too and came away with a different impression ?


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Posted 2013-05-25 1:42 PM (#377090 - in reply to #324908)
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Last Friday this manual showed up on eBay, it was listed for less than 15 minutes. The buy now price was $30. Filled with descriptions how each component works and many diagrams of each part, etc.



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Posted 2013-05-25 1:51 PM (#377095 - in reply to #377090)
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Posted 2013-05-25 3:51 PM (#377105 - in reply to #324908)
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Yes, I was lucky to see it that early. When I can get my hands on anything FI related, I do.

The seller of this was in Michigan (go figure), as was the seller with the X part of the FI script I bought last year. They didn't have any other items relating to FI.
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Posted 2013-05-25 4:15 PM (#377110 - in reply to #324908)
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And they never did test driving along streets with neon signs ? Just on factory test tracks ?
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Posted 2013-05-25 5:24 PM (#377115 - in reply to #324908)
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You got yourself a prize there, for $30.00. I'm sure it's worth more!
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Posted 2013-05-25 6:13 PM (#377125 - in reply to #377115)
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I may be wrong, but I thought that traffic lights also bothered the Fuelies' operation.

Nowadays, the "fix" to their paper-wrapped capacitors is relatively easy to accomplish.




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Posted 2013-05-25 7:45 PM (#377134 - in reply to #377115)
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imopar380 - 2013-05-25 5:24 PM

You got yourself a prize there, for $30.00. I'm sure it's worth more!


I know, I probably would have paid much more.
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Posted 2013-05-26 12:45 PM (#377232 - in reply to #324908)
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Posted 2013-12-09 7:19 PM (#415388 - in reply to #324908)
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These air cleaner lids are for FI cars, the part number is not the same for dual quad cars. Although the lids were the same as carburetor ones, the bases were different, they were serviced together hence the different part number. These were found in GA but no bases.



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Posted 2013-12-09 7:25 PM (#415391 - in reply to #324908)
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This passenger side exhaust manifold I believe is for 350/361 fuelie cars, as it has no heat riser valve. It does have a heat tube though for the cold start/ warm up sensor. Two of these, both NOS, were found in an old building in GA recently.

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Posted 2013-12-10 10:21 PM (#415585 - in reply to #324908)
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Aside from the intake/engine mods, and the emblem, did the FI cars have any other mods, e.g.; gearing, suspension mods, brakes, etc?
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Posted 2013-12-11 12:27 PM (#415647 - in reply to #415585)
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Swept57 - 2013-12-10 10:21 PM

Aside from the intake/engine mods, and the emblem, did the FI cars have any other mods, e.g.; gearing, suspension mods, brakes, etc?


I don't believe so, they had the hi-po parts same as dual carb cars.
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Posted 2013-12-11 12:33 PM (#415650 - in reply to #415647)
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My understanding is they were built as standard performance models - 300 Ds, Adventurers, D500s, and Furys - and then modified afterwards (off the assembly line but still at the assembly plant) to use the fuel injection systems.

When the EFI systems were recalled, the dealers were instructed to replace the EFI setups with replacement dual four barrel carburetors and ignition systems that the cars had been built with originally.

Of course that doesn't explain the Belvedere!
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Posted 2015-12-15 7:26 AM (#498013 - in reply to #324908)
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No updates to this thread for a long time....

I just re-read the whole thread again. I remember when I talked to Tom White at Hershey one year (prior to him locating the Bendix Electrojector unit) that he could have painted his car two different ways when he restored it. Gold w/white spear or white w/gold spear, since technically is was shown at the various auto shows in both configurations (which auto companies did regularly). It was a lot cheaper to repaint a few cars then build multiple copies in different colors for the big auto shows throughout the year......

Therefore, we can probably assume that even though there are pictures of different color 58 Adverturer EFI convertibles in the above auto show photos, they're most likely the same car......maybe even Tom's old car...
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Posted 2015-12-15 10:10 AM (#498041 - in reply to #324908)
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I just browsed this thread quick,,very interesting. I was at a guy's place a few years ago, he had a 58 Plymouth 4 door hardtop,,claimed it was a FI car. It was raining out, we never got close to the car and he wouldn't let me go and look at it. He was a huge Forward Look guy, knew his stuff. But, I sure would have liked to look under the hood.
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Posted 2016-11-23 11:49 PM (#527026 - in reply to #324908)
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Nice Car.

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-04-04 4:53 PM (#561159 - in reply to #527026)
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A link to the 300D

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=68329&posts=32#M561158

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Posted 2018-04-09 8:27 AM (#561297 - in reply to #324908)
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I have just re-read this thread, and it would have to be one of my favorites on here...what cool stories...
My two door hard-top Belvedere (57) still lurks in the shed, and probably will do for some time.
Originally it was going to be a red and white special, but i later changed my mind to doing a Fury tribute, but in black (it's not an original Fury, so i don't think it matters...but it is an original black car).
I am also keen to load it up with all the options i can, which brings me to this thread.I know i'll never get the chance to buy a genuine FI set up, but in the spirit,i see Holley do a two barrel throttle body set-up, which a pair would look very cool on my 318 poly...
The other part is ,did anyone ever have a go at re-producing the FI script?or would anyone be able to put-up or perhaps PM me some rough die mentions so i could look into re-producing a pair...i can only have a go...
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Posted 2018-04-16 5:44 PM (#561744 - in reply to #324908)
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I haven't been on here much lately and just read part of this thread on the FI cars. I did find a fella with a bunch of FL cars and he had a 58 Plymouth 4 door hardtop that he claimed was a factory fuel injected car. It was raining hard and he didn't want to let me look at any of his cars up close, just did a drive by. Really didn't want to sell any either. I will have to look him up again, it has been a few years since I talked to him.
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Posted 2018-04-16 10:49 PM (#561759 - in reply to #415391)
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christine-lover - 2013-12-09 6:25 PM

This passenger side exhaust manifold I believe is for 350/361 fuelie cars, as it has no heat riser valve. It does have a heat tube though for the cold start/ warm up sensor. Two of these, both NOS, were found in an old building in GA recently.

My dad was lucky enough to purchase one of those NOS EFI Exhaust manifold sets. If anyone is in need of one for a Fuelie Forward Look car, send me a PM anytime. We can probably work out a deal.

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Posted 2018-08-12 3:45 PM (#568308 - in reply to #324908)
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So, other than that 300D that was up for sale a little while ago, has there been any major discoveries regarding these EFI cars? How about a definitive answer to the exact number of cars built?
Is Tom White's Adventurer still the only one with a working version of the system?

I'm interested in the difference in performance experienced by fuel injection vs. carburetors, because the EFI system was suppose to give these performance cars an extra 10 hp, but unless someone takes the Adventurer to the track, I don't think we'll ever really know the full potential of these fuel injected mopars.

Edited by Rock'nRoll 2018-08-12 3:53 PM
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-08-13 12:34 AM (#568336 - in reply to #568308)
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Quantifying what 10hp feels like at the throttle is hard to do.
A little cam adjustment, carb tuning, and installation of larger
valve heads gave my single 4bbl Fireflite a notably brisk level
of "perky" it did not have before I did the work.

I had hoped at one point to have my car done and in a place
where it could be run alongside the White-restored F/I Adventurer,
but it was not to be. My car had strong pull at any speed, but
was nothing like my 66 Coronet, with 440 Magnum, 4-speed,
and 3.23 posi gears. The DeSoto convertible is a heavy car !
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-08-13 1:16 AM (#568339 - in reply to #568308)
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Rock'nRoll - 2018-08-12 12:45 PM
So, other than that 300D that was up for sale a little while ago, has there been any major discoveries regarding these EFI cars? How about a definitive answer to the exact number of cars built?
Is Tom White's Adventurer still the only one with a working version of the system?......


My friend Per just got his 300D fuelie running with the original system in place. He used an aftermarket fuel pump because he didn't trust the original. I think the electronics have upgraded components too, but I don't know many details. He's still working on getting it to run reliably.
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57plybel
Posted 2018-08-13 4:13 AM (#568344 - in reply to #324908)
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One vital piece of the Holy Grail !

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOPAR-1832038-NAMEPLATE-FUEL-INJECTION-1958-PLYMOUTH-DODGE-DESOTO-300-EMBLEM/183374074575?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

 

Colin

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