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Location: Blackpool, United Kingdom. | 9369 miles
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Location: New Jersey | Looks like a fairly nice parts car. |
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Location: Perth Australia | WOW
That looks fantastic
I bet it could use a good highway run
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Location: The Mile High City - Denver CO | Here are the pictures
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Location: The Mile High City - Denver CO | This car has some neat options with the hood ornaments, windshield washer, power steering, dual outside mirrors, radio, clock, parking brake warning light, trunk cargo light, Custom Royal cowl vent cover (? that's unusual), spare tire cover (again unusual in any Dodge), and chrome rear license plate surround. The original wheel covers are in the trunk. It appears to have the early headlight doors. It has a 1957 horn ring and spinners. I wonder if the original trunk mat is under the carpeting? Entry level Red Ram V-8 with three-speed torque-flite automatic.
I'm not really wild about the color scheme on this one for some reason. Maybe it would look better with blackwalls and the plain wheel covers?
Edited by Lancer Mike 2012-06-28 11:14 AM
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Location: The Mile High City - Denver CO | Aha! the windshield washer was added later and they put the big pump in the floor and put in the Custom Royal cowl vent cover to hold the sprinkler pipes! Voila!
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Location: New Jersey | Also has rear stone shields. The headlight doors are the late style. |
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Location: Quebec, Canada | Wow, I ADORE this car! A beauty!
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Location: The Mile High City - Denver CO | christine-lover - 2012-06-28 10:05 AM
Also has rear stone shields. The headlight doors are the late style.
Right you are, Matt! I always get the late and early mixed up.
Doner for your convertible?  |
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Location: New Jersey | Lancer Mike - 2012-06-28 1:25 PM
christine-lover - 2012-06-28 10:05 AM
Also has rear stone shields. The headlight doors are the late style.
Right you are, Matt! I always get the late and early mixed up.
Doner for your convertible? :stressed:
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Location: bishop, ca | Just discovered something interesting; was going to make some sort of cogent comment on this car's 'Standard' 2-tone
color combination, because I've never seen a red-over-black combination like this one, before, in 57-58 (in 1959: yes, tho),
but, I do not have a factory listing of all the 2-tone combinations that were available in 1958.
Checked the Ross Roy, first, and was shocked, shocked, to find no such listings.
The paint chip charts only reveal the various colors, but not their available combinations.
There are several sources for the '57 combinations, but I've got none for '58.
So, Mike, et al, can you post up the various 58 Dodge color combinations (which, apparently, will show this color combination
in it)?
--Just noticed something sorta interesting: this car may not have been built with a radio.
Noticed its aftermarket antenna, and then saw that its radio, itself, does not look like its an OEM item.
Edited by d500neil 2012-06-29 1:53 PM
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Location: somerville mass | this car is a museum piece a survivor that runs smells and drives as new. it belongs in a private collection. |
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Location: lakeview, ny 14085 | notice m**s 669 is the same bidder on 59 plymouth convert on ebay as on this car. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Lancer Mike (or anyone:) do you have, and can you show, the various 2-tone combinations that were available for
the 58 Dodge models?
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Location: Stuttgart / Europe | $25,200.00 reserve not met |
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Location: bishop, ca | Thanks; still waiting for someone to post up (or PM me) with the OE 2-tone color combinations that were provided on the 1958
Dodges...
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Location: bishop, ca | And, hallelujah, I found the Ross Roy presentation of the 58 color combinations.
I didn't say anything, about this red-over-black Coronet's (very attractive) color combination, earlier, because I wasn't
100% that its red-over-black color combination was OEM to the car, but, it is not OEM to the car.
Red("Crimson")-over-White("Eggshell") was available, as was Black("Ebony")-over-red, but not
red-over-black.
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Location: Fleetwood, Pa | The "Dealer" may have had the roof painted red to either make the car more attractive (to move it off the lot) or by the request of a buyer????? |
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Location: bishop, ca | Oh, absolutely; anyone, at any time, could have re-painted the car, but the red-roof (unless the P/T plate confirms its
application, as a Special-Order (unlikely, but, the P/T plate is not shown)...is not apparently OEM, which moves the
car further away from its being a 'true', still-original-condition, "Survivor".
As an aside, OEM Black-over-Red doesn't seem to me to be a very attractive combination, but Red-over-Black
certainly is an attractive combo!
It just ain't OEM...
Edited by d500neil 2012-07-12 4:40 PM
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Location: The Mile High City - Denver CO | That is the one I have seen.
One problem with that list is there are known color combinations (e.g. 3EXE) that do not appear on the list.
If one does not appear on the list, others may not either. Is 2APA one of those? |
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Location: bishop, ca | All 'you' gotta do is look at the (non-provided photo of the) P/T plate.
I'll bet on 1AAA rather than 2PAA (not 2APA---"APA" could be on a 3APA "Deluxe 2-Tone" car, where the black is on the roof,
decklid and fins, with the Crimson on the balance of the car).
WOW---wuzgonna mention that 3APA would be an attractive combination, when; LO! there it is, available
on the Deluxe 2-tone variations!
Edited by d500neil 2012-07-12 7:44 PM
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Location: Fleetwood, Pa | I guess it all depends what a would be purchaser considers an "original" car to be........The way it left the "factory", or the way it left the "dealer"....... |
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Location: bishop, ca | "Survivor" refers to the way that a car left the factory.
Any mods or alterations to the car, after it leaves the factory (or, maybe, @ the selling dealership), is a slippery slope of
changes to the car.
We all talk about 'dealer' modifications, but, outside of radios and/or seatbelts or spinner wheelcovers being installed (or:
1958 Spring Special trim!), there was virtually no dealer modifications that were done to cars, back then.
Nowadays, dealer-mods are much more common, to a car.
E.G.: I had my dealership install aftermarket (Katzkin-"Jeep") leather seats to my '10 Jeep Commander, as part of its purchase
price.
Would those custom dealer-installed-at-time-of-purchase leather seats be considered as having "Survivor" status, in 50 years?
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Location: bishop, ca | LOL; I personally would consider the dealer-or-body-shop installed 1958 Spring Special trim (outside of, maybe the easy-to-install-at-any time trunk "Escutcheon") as having "Survivor" status, because ain't hardly nobody retro-fitting the S.-S. side trim to any car, at any time, in the past 40+ years!
Edited by d500neil 2012-07-13 6:47 PM
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Location: Fleetwood, Pa | ""Survivor" refers to the way that a car left the factory."
I'm sure that's your opinion, but not necessarily everyone elses. As far as I know, the AACA considers any "dealer installed" items to be "original" to the car....
"We all talk about 'dealer' modifications, but, outside of radios and/or seatbelts or spinner wheelcovers being installed (or:
1958 Spring Special trim!), there was virtually no dealer modifications that were done to cars, back then."
My father worked a dealership back in the late fifties. He told me they frequently took cars into the paint shop if they spent a while on the lot and didn't move. Anything from adding a second color to make a two-tone, to having a pinstriper come in and add some pinstripes. I'm sure this may have been common practice among the "big 3" back then....
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Location: bishop, ca | Yeah; "original", but NOT "Survivor".
Big difference.
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Location: Fleetwood, Pa | So, let me understand you then. In order to be a "survivor" you must remove the wheelcovers, antenna(s), outside mirrors, radio, etc, since that's the way they left the factory, to be loaded up for shipping? How would you replace the sheet metal once the dealer drilled holes for these various items?? I take it, in your book, that there are no "survivor" cars then???? |
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Location: bishop, ca | No...yes...a Survivor is a car that is in as-close-to-its-condition-as-when-it-left-the-factory....as possible.
My car isn't one, and I'm not claiming that it is one.
It is a Time Capsule car----what we all hoped Ms. Belvie would be---like going back in time to see it when it was built;
warts and all.
So, you can argue that there are degrees-of-Survivorship, with anything that was done to it after it left the factory moving
the car farther away from its virginal as-built condition.
The are some 1992 Dodge Vipers which are resting comfortably in hermetically sealed containers.
You can "restore" a car, but you can't make it into being a Survivor.
Edited by d500neil 2012-07-15 4:15 AM
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Location: The Mile High City - Denver CO | 2PAA - yes, that is what you would look for here.
Another observation: typically, on a Coronet, the fin end cap would be painted black. This one has the argent silver paint usually found on Royals and Custom Royals (although the Custom Royal had a different pattern cap). |
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Location: bishop, ca | For posterity, could somebody post up the new-remainder photos that are shown on this car's listing?
A no-sale, at $25,200.00, with 38 real-bidder's (good Feedback histories) bidding.
Edited by d500neil 2012-07-20 9:29 PM
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Location: somerville mass | due to the economy classic cars are being driven off the auction alot convs are getting half of what their worth this car in a good economy - 6 figures.
today - 50-75k at least! pratically brand new! i called the guy - it drives like a dodge in 1958! smells like one too! buy now guys! no warranty but a full tank of ethyl!!!! and a new copy top 20 hits of 1958! |
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