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jpmopar
Posted 2012-07-30 8:24 PM (#332390)
Subject: '59 Fury Data Plate



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Here's the data plate on the '59 Fury 4-door hardtop I just bought. I originally thought the paint was Flame Red but isn't that a NN code? What color does the XN code represent?

Jim





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d500neil
Posted 2012-07-30 9:29 PM (#332403 - in reply to #332390)
Subject: Re: '59 Fury Data Plate



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Your car is a long way from its L.A. 'home', where it was built.

That horizontal paint-line shows where a strip of masking tape had been laid over the middle of the Paint/Trim data plate, when
the car's body was painted.

L.A.-built Dodges have this feature on their P/T plates, as well.

The gray color is the OEM sealer-primer, which was initially applied to the car's body.

"X" is "Iceberg White", and "N" is good old 57-Dodge "Flame Red".

In the 57 Dodges, the 'red' fades to a coral-like color, and the 'coral' fades to pink-like color.

In your car's instance, it appears that multiple layers or applications of masking tape were applied across the P/T plate, during
the painting of the white and the red colors.

The middle-gray-primer area was taped-over when the white was applied---because the white does not extend across the gray area---
and, then a strip of tape was put diagonally---but, not very tightly--- across the P/T plate (right on top of the strip that was covering the
gray color, which preserved that white-color, underneath the tape, as we still can see)...and THEN: the tape that was covering
the gray area was partially lifted up, on the far left side, right-before the red was applied.

After the red was applied, while the paint was still wet, the tapes that were still covering the gray and the white areas were lifted
up, producing the OEM effect that still remains on the P/T plate.

The masking tapes may have held Broadcast Sheets, when the body was being built, but, those tape-markings always appear
on L.A. built Dodges (and, apparently, on the Plymouths, as well).






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jpmopar
Posted 2012-07-30 9:54 PM (#332413 - in reply to #332403)
Subject: Re: '59 Fury Data Plate



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d500neil - 2012-07-30 9:29 PM

Your car is a long way from its L.A. 'home', where it was built.

That horizontal paint-line shows where a strip of masking tape had been laid over the middle of the Paint/Trim data plate, when
the car's body was painted.

L.A.-built Dodges have this feature on their P/T plates, as well.

The gray color is the OEM sealer-primer, which was initially applied to the car's body.

"X" is "Iceberg White", and "N" is good old 57-Dodge "Flame Red".

In the 57 Dodges, the 'red' fades to a coral-like color, and the 'coral' fades to pink-like color.

In your car's instance, it appears that multiple layers or applications of masking tape were applied across the P/T plate, during
the painting of the white and the red colors.

The middle-gray-primer area was taped-over when the white was applied---because the white does not extend across the gray area---
and, then a strip of tape was put diagonally---but, not very tightly--- across the P/T plate (right on top of the strip that was covering the
gray color, which preserved that white-color, underneath the tape, as we still can see)...and THEN: the tape that was covering
the gray area was partially lifted up, on the far left side, right-before the red was applied.

After the red was applied, while the paint was still wet, the tapes that were still covering the gray and the white areas were lifted
up, producing the OEM effect that still remains on the P/T plate.

The masking tapes may have held Broadcast Sheets, when the body was being built, but, those tape-markings always appear
on L.A. built Dodges (and, apparently, on the Plymouths, as well).







Thanks Neil. As usual, you are a welcomed wealth of info! You are correct about the original red fading to a Coral-like shade. Isn't it odd that a Fury would be built without a Jiffy Jet system? I'll search for a broadcast sheet when I get around to cleaning out the interior tomorrow. I usually don't get too excited about "more-doors", but I'm really digging this car.

Jim

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1959 Belvedere Conv
Posted 2012-07-31 12:24 AM (#332433 - in reply to #332390)
Subject: Re: '59 Fury Data Plate


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Jim, Neil is dead on with his fender tag and plant paint procedure. Please post some pictures of your car. I and others, would love to see more of it.

My Belvedere convert did not have a windshield washer bag either or reverse lights (it does now!) , but must Fury's had this option checked off as was common for Fury Trim levels. Or they can be had as part of a option package called out as Option # 521 Windshield Washers Pkg.or option #522 Windshield washers with variable speed wipers Pkg.

You can bring more of your friends along when you have a 4 door on a cruise!

It is a easy upgrade to do for your car should you choose to do so. Parts are available on E- Bay all the time for the bag and foot pump. Even the variable speed wiper can be obtained should you desire.

If you find your build sheet or can request your IBM build card from Chrysler Historical that will show how your car left the plant in LA.
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Chrycoman
Posted 2012-08-01 12:41 AM (#332633 - in reply to #332390)
Subject: RE: '59 Fury Data Plate



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To decode the tag -

SO NO - Shipping Order Number - 1123 3047
where 1123 is the Scheduled Build Date - November 23, 1958

Model - MP2H -
M - 1959 model year
P - Plymouth
2 - V8 engine
H - series - Fury

BT - Body Type -
2 - Plymouth V8
6 - Fury
4 - 4-dr hardtop

PT - Paint
X - Upper Colour - Iceberg White
N - Lower colour - Flame Red

TR - Interior Trim
324 - Do not have 1959 Plymouth codes (yet)

M21 and M49 are for the options on the car. I believe M21 is power steering.

Chrysler Corporation denoted its colour codes with two letters, the first for the roof colour and the body with the second. Thus NN would denote Flame Red roof and Flame Red body while NX would be Flame Red roof and Iceberg White body.

Also, the 1959 Plymouth "Flame Red" is not the same as the 1957 Dodge "Flame Red". Never assume that colours with the same name, or the same corporate code, are the same shade. The paint manufacturers' codes will tell which shades are the same, or not. In this case the 1957 Dodge "Flame Red" was Ditzler code 70691 while the 1959 Plymouth "Flame Red" was Ditzler 70813. Close, but not the same with the Dodge red a little darker than the Plymouth.

Chrysler of Canada also offered 70813 in 1959, but called it "Maple Red", code N.

Bill
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Matthew Keij
Posted 2012-08-01 2:20 PM (#332739 - in reply to #332390)
Subject: Re: '59 Fury Data Plate


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No tinted glass although I've seen it on the pic?
No power windows.

Not sure on the M codes.
Bt: 264 - Fury V8 4dr hardtop
Pt: XN, iceberg white roof and flame red body
Tr: 324, grey seat with a red bolster.

If the M codes are power options this car should have power brakes and power windows but no power steering.
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RDP
Posted 2012-08-02 12:22 PM (#332889 - in reply to #332633)
Subject: RE: '59 Fury Data Plate



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Chrycoman - 2012-08-01 6:41 AM


To decode the tag -

SO NO - Shipping Order Number - 1123 3047
where 1123 is the Scheduled Build Date - November 23, 1958




correctly: November 28, 1958 - is written 1128



This is a plate of my car.
It was built in LA. Scheduled Build Date - November 26, 1958 / older by two days
My car has power steering, power brakes, tinted glass, swivel seats, radio, and toilet seat



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jpmopar
Posted 2012-08-02 11:31 PM (#332961 - in reply to #332889)
Subject: RE: '59 Fury Data Plate



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RDP - 2012-08-02 12:22 PM

Chrycoman - 2012-08-01 6:41 AM


To decode the tag -

SO NO - Shipping Order Number - 1123 3047
where 1123 is the Scheduled Build Date - November 23, 1958




correctly: November 28, 1958 - is written 1128



This is a plate of my car.
It was built in LA. Scheduled Build Date - November 26, 1958 / older by two days
My car has power steering, power brakes, tinted glass, swivel seats, radio, and toilet seat




I guess your car is my car's big brother! My car isn't as optioned up as some '59 Fury's I've seen. It has power steering, power brakes, padded dash, rocker covers, radio, clock, remote mirror (but no right hand mirror) and the "toliet seat". It still has the complete original jack and the spare hold down piece. Swivel seats would be nice to have.


Jim

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Chrycoman
Posted 2012-08-03 1:00 AM (#332974 - in reply to #332889)
Subject: RE: '59 Fury Data Plate



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Chrycoman - 2012-08-01 6:41 AM


To decode the tag -

SO NO - Shipping Order Number - 1123 3047
where 1123 is the Scheduled Build Date - November 23, 1958




correctly: November 28, 1958 - is written 1128



This is a plate of my car.
It was built in LA. Scheduled Build Date - November 26, 1958 / older by two days
My car has power steering, power brakes, tinted glass, swivel seats, radio, and toilet seat



Power steering - 301
Power brakes - 302
Sport deck (toilet seat) - 309
Swivel seats - 361
Radio - 441 for base pushbutton radio
Tinted glass - 466

So, M2-1 is power steering (301) and M4-9 is the Sport Deck (309).
The M5-1 is for either the swivel seats (361) or pushbutton radio (441).

The rest -
MP2H - 1959 Plymouth V8 Fury

262 - Plymouth V8 Fury 2-door hardtop

UZ -
U - Roof colour - Palomino Beige
Z - Body colour - Bittersweet


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Matthew Keij
Posted 2012-08-03 1:38 AM (#332981 - in reply to #332390)
Subject: Re: '59 Fury Data Plate


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I don't think the M4 is for the Sport deck.
I've seen a lot of dataplates for Sport Fury's all stamped with the M2-1 but just a couple of them with M4-9.

I really would love to learn about these M codes as I have all the data then!

Robert, does your VIN end with 2688?

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Chrycoman
Posted 2012-08-03 3:14 AM (#332988 - in reply to #332981)
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Matthew Keij - 2012-08-03 1:38 AM

I don't think the M4 is for the Sport deck.
I've seen a lot of dataplates for Sport Fury's all stamped with the M2-1 but just a couple of them with M4-9.

I really would love to learn about these M codes as I have all the data then!

Robert, does your VIN end with 2688?


The top row was for recording options on the car. As the Sport Fury had the Sport Deck as standard equipment one would not expect the Sport Deck to be entered onto the body tag.

But the two cars under discussion are Fury hardtops and the Sport Deck was an option and thus would be entered on the tag. Of the options on the cars, only the Sport Deck option code (309) ends in "9". Thus the Sport Deck is the only option that could be placed under M4. As the power steering code ends in "1", and both cars have power steering and have "1" under M2, the M2-1 entry would be for the power steering.

Options that generally were placed on body tag included things like power options (steering, brakes, windows), tinted glass, radios, trim, Sure-Grip, tramsmission. But nothing was set in stone and thus not all options were entered. And it varied from assembly plant to assembly plant, especially in the 1960-64 era when each plant , even though the basic tag layout was the same for all, had their own system for recording the codes.



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Matthew Keij
Posted 2012-08-03 6:18 AM (#332995 - in reply to #332390)
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I've seen Sport Fury data plates with that M code with a 9 stamped.

As for the 9, the sure grip option is code 399.
Also optional on the early 59's were the rocker mouldings, code 359.

This car also has the green tinted solex glass but is not stamped on the data plate (SG - Solex Glass)
I've seen more of these weird things.
Only thing that might help in this is finding or ordering the build sheet

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RDP
Posted 2012-08-03 11:46 AM (#333021 - in reply to #332981)
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Matthew Keij - 2012-08-03 7:38 AM

Robert, does your VIN end with 2688?


no



If it will help in solving puzzles...
other options in my car:
padded dash, clock, deluxe steering wheel,
windshield washer, remote left mirror (I'm not sure if it was originally),
front rubber bumper guards (probably not original, the back bumper guards is steel),
torqueflite, aluminum sport tone, rocker moldings
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d500neil
Posted 2012-08-03 5:36 PM (#333076 - in reply to #333021)
Subject: Re: '59 Fury Data Plate



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The "M" codes are NOT in any specific reference groupings among the various years and makes of the MoPars.

If someone (like Matt, a 59 PLY guru), happens to know a particular year/make car's M codes, then he can make
educated guesses, and conclusions, and declarations from his research on that car.

Altho I have no confirmation about this, I'd bet that there were more than just three options that ended in a '9'.

But, still, M-1, M-2, M-3 etcetcetc...option groups varied among the different years' cars.




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RDP
Posted 2020-12-26 8:38 AM (#607131 - in reply to #332390)
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I will bring this old thread to life. Here is another 59Plym body tag.
I don't remember where it found.
The M-codes are identical to my car (see above), but my car has more options .
Ok, now the differences: no code 283, but my car has anodized inserts (sportone).

So can it confirm M4=9 code as a toilet seat?



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frwl
Posted 2020-12-26 9:24 AM (#607133 - in reply to #332390)
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Thank you Robert! This is great «old» link!
Especially last two Belvedere's pictures! It is confirmed my «theory» about M1 = 5 is a UNDERCOATING;
I think the «wheel covers 511» item have never stamped on the tag.

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frwl
Posted 2020-12-26 9:40 AM (#607135 - in reply to #332390)
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The one answer born a three (or four) question…
What does the M4 code mean for other divisions of Chrysler Corporation?
What about M4 = 9 on the ’59 Dodge models for example?
’59 Dodges have not sport deck lid (toilet seat)…
I guess M4 = 9 = 429 = SIDE ROOF MOULDINGS…




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RDP
Posted 2020-12-26 10:16 AM (#607137 - in reply to #607133)
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I already know, I remember - it's Dorsey's (Oldwood)car (in my previous post)

frwl - 2020-12-26 3:24 PM

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It is confirmed my «theory» about M1 = 5 is a UNDERCOATING;




do you mean M5=1 ?



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frwl
Posted 2020-12-26 10:24 AM (#607138 - in reply to #332390)
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Yes, I do. The M5 - 1. Thanks for correction Robert.
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frwl
Posted 2020-12-26 11:21 AM (#607142 - in reply to #332390)
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OK Robert: If you know it already, look at next 1959 Dodge M-codes that I guessing:

M1 = 8
M6 = 5

Let's go back to the Gunnarback thread for does not hijacking this thread…

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=75166&...

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RDP
Posted 2020-12-26 12:23 PM (#607147 - in reply to #332390)
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Jim (jpmopar), you have a build sheet?


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jpmopar
Posted 2020-12-29 4:48 PM (#607234 - in reply to #607147)
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Nope. I couldn't locate a build sheet, but I've yet to pull the carpet. One may be lurking under there.
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frwl
Posted 2021-09-30 5:01 PM (#615496 - in reply to #332390)
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Comparing the 1959 Dodge Hamtramck and Delaware track sheets, I noticed some mismatches in item names:

Option 41x called Sweep Molding in Hamtramck sheet and simply «Molding» in Delaware sheet;
As we know, actually this option has sales code 419 and named «Fin End Chrome Inserts» - that more understandable;

Option 42x called Roof Molding in Hamtramck sheet and «Q. P. Ornament» in Delaware sheet;
I guessed earlier, the code M4 = 9 = 429 shows «Side Roof Moldings» (or Roof Rail Drip Moldings), as saying in the Hamtramck sheet.
Delaware sheet cleared up that guessing: actually this code 429 shows «Rear Quarter Panel Ornament» availability – the Chevrons on it (not to confuse to Stone Shields, code 359).




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