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Chaz
Posted 2013-02-05 9:02 PM (#358541 - in reply to #337191)
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Those beauty rings make all the difference! Looks great! Especially the front .
Didja come out OK on the hood? I've still got that paint here.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-02-05 9:40 PM (#358545 - in reply to #358541)
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Never liked the Windsor-Saratoga hubcaps for 57, but the NY'er caps are very well matched to the car.

A NY'er was an EXPENSIVE car, and likely not a teeny-bopper, go-to-the-burger-joint ride (unless borrowed
from banker/lawyer Dad. More likely seen out front of The Canlis during a two martini business lunch.




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Leadfoot1000
Posted 2018-09-23 7:43 PM (#570647 - in reply to #337191)
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Hey Guys, it's been a while since I updated this thread. Back in January, what started as a harmonic damper replacement ended up being a (badly needed) detailing of the engine compartment, I believe it's called the snowball effect. Here's some photos of the progress.



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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-09-23 10:21 PM (#570652 - in reply to #337191)
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Get er done! your way ahead of mine...

Trying to get it painted before winter... uhg
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-09-24 12:27 AM (#570656 - in reply to #337191)
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Looks nice!
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60 Imp
Posted 2018-09-24 6:06 AM (#570666 - in reply to #570647)
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Leadfoot1000 - 2018-09-24 9:43 AM

Hey Guys, it's been a while since I updated this thread. Back in January, what started as a harmonic damper replacement ended up being a (badly needed) detailing of the engine compartment, I believe it's called the snowball effect. Here's some photos of the progress.


5 years and 5 months between updates on here! Cool you are still chugging away. More pics please, and nice work on the engine bay. Steve.
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57burb
Posted 2018-09-24 10:53 AM (#570683 - in reply to #570666)
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Very nice looking work! I'm glad you're still enjoying that car. I remember when Chaz found it (thread is on the Hamb) and the burning jealousy I had!!

Keep us posted with your progress. Every five years is just not often enough.
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billy
Posted 2018-09-26 12:55 PM (#570790 - in reply to #337191)
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I'm jealous....Engine compartment came out really nice...great work...I'm way behind...
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Leadfoot1000
Posted 2018-10-03 2:55 PM (#571105 - in reply to #337191)
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Thanks for the replies guys. Prior to doing this latest round of work the car was running hot, 3/4 to 7/8 towards the hot side of the gauge when driven on 90 degree + days. So during this phase I had the radiator rodded out (30% plugged according to repairman), replaced the six blade fan with a seven blade fan, added a fan shroud (from a 64 NYer, bolt on), added a fan clutch, new high flow 180 degree thermostat, new water pump, and new belts and hoses. I test drove it a few days ago in 90 degree weather, it runs great, plenty of power, no pinging, but it still runs hot, seems to be just as hot as before I started working on it, very frustrating. I don't think it's a false gauge reading because the radiator overflow spits out coolant when I shut it off, but just in case I'm going to get a temp gauge and see what the actual temp is. Next step will be to try to find a heavy duty radiator core to replace mine. I just can't think of anything else that could be causing the problem. Anybody know of a source for high efficiency radiator cores that fit these cars?

Here's a few more engine photos, including the notch I made in the spark plug wire cover to clear the master cylinder. Even with the notch I was still able to fit 8mm wires within the covers. These are the larger size covers.

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-10-03 7:10 PM (#571115 - in reply to #337191)
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You should try advancing the timing. Retarded ignition will cause the motor to run hotter. I usually advance it to the point just before where it will start to ping going up hills at low rpm. As a point of reference, I usually end up at around 10 degrees BTDC with the vacuum advance disconnected. But try out different settings to see how it reacts.

That '64 New Yorker fan shroud is a great idea!

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Leadfoot1000
Posted 2018-10-05 2:40 PM (#571176 - in reply to #571115)
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Hey Nathan, the timing is currently advanced 5 degrees with the vacuum advance disconnected and 15 with it connected. I set it using the ping method, then backed it off for no ping, although the car was very warm when I set it, which adds to the pinging problem. I’ve ordered a radiator cap with a built in temp gauge, and an infrared sensor to check to inlet and outlet temperatures at the radiator. I also spoke to US Radiator and they said they could build a high efficiency radiator using my tanks, so that’s probably the course I’ll take.
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Leadfoot1000
Posted 2018-10-15 5:00 PM (#571747 - in reply to #337191)
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I did some testing of the cooling system with an IR meter and with the gauge at the halfway point between hot and cold the meter showed 220 degrees at the crossover/thermostat pipe and 212 degrees at the bottom outlet of the radiator. It’s a relatively cool day today, about 70 degrees ambient. Based on this, I think the gauge is accurate (enough) and the problem is the radiator. I’ve read that a good radiator should lower the temp across it by at least 30 degrees. I contacted US Radiator and they said they can recore mine with a four row for $500-$600, existing one is a three row. With a 180 thermostat I would think a normal operating temperature would be no more than about 190-200 degrees. Does that sound about right?
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57burb
Posted 2018-10-15 6:20 PM (#571754 - in reply to #571747)
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Man, I had a huge response typed and it got lost. Bummer.

What does the IR meter say the temps are of the upper versus lower radiator outlets? The lower hose should show a significant heat loss.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-10-15 7:09 PM (#571756 - in reply to #337191)
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Yes, 190F is about where you want it to be, assuming that your thermostat is working properly and set to around 180-190F.

Aluminum radiators are cheap, like around $130-$200, and will outperform a high efficiency brass radiator. I don't like the look of them, but they have recently come out with top & bottom tanks that look more like the original brass versions. If you paint it black & drill holes in it to match your core support mount, it may look surprisingly like the original brass. Also, when I have gone the re-core route with the sole purpose of retaining my original top tank, I ended up with a non-original tank because they claimed they couldn't use it. So it wasn't really worth the extra expense in the end. You can also fill the frontal area with a larger core that will help you out much more than going with a thicker one. When I had overheating issues with other cars in the past, the aluminum radiators just eliminated the problem entirely.



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The Adventurer
Posted 2018-10-15 8:45 PM (#571760 - in reply to #337191)
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That's a great looking Radiator Nathan , u checked their ebay store and they done list 50s Mopar radiators , do you give them your specs and they build it , or do you have a listing for the correct radiator on ebay etc.. ?
Thanks In advance.
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Leadfoot1000
Posted 2018-10-15 9:22 PM (#571762 - in reply to #571754)
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57burb - 2018-10-15 3:20 PM

Man, I had a huge response typed and it got lost. Bummer.

What does the IR meter say the temps are of the upper versus lower radiator outlets? The lower hose should show a significant heat loss.


The temp is only dropping about 10-15 degrees from the inlet to the outlet of the radiator. Should be a lot more than that.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-10-15 9:24 PM (#571763 - in reply to #337191)
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The Adventurer - 2018-10-15 5:45 PM
That's a great looking Radiator Nathan , u checked their ebay store and they done list 50s Mopar radiators , do you give them your specs and they build it , or do you have a listing for the correct radiator on ebay etc.. ?
Thanks In advance.


Just measure out the opening in your core support & the mounting hole positions to see what size core will fit. Most larger cars will take the 26" core used on later B-bodies, but you really need to measure everything out for yourself and compare it. I haven't done it yet because I haven't needed to yet. Ebay is the best place to get them and most sellers will give you the dimensions you need.

One thing for the '57 Chrysler, is you would probably need a later version than this where they swapped the positions of the inlet and outlet.

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The Adventurer
Posted 2018-10-16 6:24 AM (#571783 - in reply to #337191)
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Thanks Nathan , much appreciated .
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Leadfoot1000
Posted 2018-10-16 11:57 AM (#571790 - in reply to #571756)
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Powerflite - 2018-10-15 4:09 PM

Yes, 190F is about where you want it to be, assuming that your thermostat is working properly and set to around 180-190F.

Aluminum radiators are cheap, like around $130-$200, and will outperform a high efficiency brass radiator. I don't like the look of them, but they have recently come out with top & bottom tanks that look more like the original brass versions. If you paint it black & drill holes in it to match your core support mount, it may look surprisingly like the original brass. Also, when I have gone the re-core route with the sole purpose of retaining my original top tank, I ended up with a non-original tank because they claimed they couldn't use it. So it wasn't really worth the extra expense in the end. You can also fill the frontal area with a larger core that will help you out much more than going with a thicker one. When I had overheating issues with other cars in the past, the aluminum radiators just eliminated the problem entirely.


I’m not opposed to an aluminum radiator if the top tank looks similar to the original, the one in your photo looks pretty good and passable as an antique. The core support opening width is 23-1/4” so no way a 26” wide core will fit. My existing original core is 21-3/4” so an extra width of 1.5” is all that can be accommodated. I’m not sure why you think there is extra width space available to fill. If I can keep the car cool and retain an original top tank and trans cooler I don’t have any problem spending the extra bucks.

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-10-16 12:24 PM (#571792 - in reply to #337191)
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I just measured the core size on my New Yorker and it is 22" wide x 18" tall. That's much narrower than I expected. The opening is 23" wide x 19" tall, and can take up to about 25 or 26" tall total height, including the cap. The A-body and small block B-body radiators use a 22" core, but the height is typically much shorter. The best fit that I have found would be from a '62-'65 B-body. Unfortunately, the aluminum radiators I found for those didn't have good looking ribs on them, but the top tank was at least rounded instead of having the typical sharp corners. There may be other sellers that make them with better looking tanks, so a good search might find something.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/KKS-MOTORSPORTS-3-ROW-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR-62-...

A '56 Ford truck is very close to these dimensions, except maybe up to 1" overall taller. And they sell them with better looking ribs in the top and sides of the tank. The annoying thing about them though is the centrally located inlet. The '56 Chrysler used a center spout on the water pump, so you could use that to make it work, but it won't look the same.
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57burb
Posted 2018-10-16 1:09 PM (#571794 - in reply to #571762)
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Leadfoot1000 - 2018-10-15 8:22 PM

The temp is only dropping about 10-15 degrees from the inlet to the outlet of the radiator. Should be a lot more than that.



You had it recored, right? Are there bent fins or excessive paint on them?

The fan should be pulling a huge amount of air through the radiator with a 7-blade fan plus shroud. Is it?
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Leadfoot1000
Posted 2018-10-17 12:06 AM (#571838 - in reply to #571794)
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Nathan, that radiator you linked is a very good fit, practically a bolt in. Tough decision, because I’m trying to keep original appearances and I like the looks of the original radiator. When I had mine rodded out I had the tech remove the top tank, then I bought it home and spent several hours fixing the dents in it. I spent most of the day today looking for a replacement and the one you recommended is the best fit. I wonder what they use inside for the trans cooler, a finned tube or just a tube. The f100 rad that you referenced does look better, I wonder how it would work to relocate the inlet then patch the hole?

Danny, I had my original radiator rodded out, not recored. The fins all look good and it only has one coat of paint. The fan is moving a lot of air, but the engine is running hot even on the freeway, so I don’t think airflow is the issue.

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57desoto
Posted 2018-10-17 5:12 AM (#571847 - in reply to #337191)
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You can also add a "wetting agent" to the coolant. Several companies make it, including Royal Purple, which is what I use. Theirs is called Purple Ice. Won't solve a serious problem but it does help pull temps down just a bit.
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The Adventurer
Posted 2018-10-17 6:28 AM (#571849 - in reply to #337191)
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If it helps I adapted/ fitted a $250 1966 C Body 26 inch Chrysler Brand new Brass radiator from spectra that I bought on ebay .

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spectra-CU332-Complete-Radiator/36245611760...

With a mounting box bracket and some bending of the lower edge of the rad support and re drill holes in the radiator on the Left side it fitted tight but perfect and all the hoses lines up perfect . I couldn't believe it .
The top tank doesn't look right obviously , but its bigger and the car ran perfect temp even in the heat . I will try and uploap some pics.
No holes had to be drilled in the rad support at all , I sed the existing holes to munt the dual L bracket , was easy to make .


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The Adventurer
Posted 2018-10-17 6:30 AM (#571850 - in reply to #337191)
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