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Just obtained copies of the Corporate production spreadsheets on the 59-61 Dodges,
so, now have the official US-production numbers on the Dodges from 1957-1961.
Any questions thereon, just ask.
As a point of interest, there were 1,840 Coronets and 984 Custom Royal verts built in 1959.
There were 519 Phoenix-6, 7,002 Phoenix-8, and 1,279 Polara verts built in 1960.
There were 3,878 Phoenix-8 (no 6'ers), and 512 Polara verts built in 1961.
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Location: bishop, ca | 61 Polara 2-dr HT's: 2,772, with an additional 667 being "Exported(reportedly, to CAN)".
61 Polara 4-dr HT's: 2,901, with an additional 285 being "Exported".
The 61 verts (there were only the two models), are above shown: 3,878 Phoenix's + 512(!!) Polara's = 4,390; none "Exported".
And, let's try this:
61 Phoenix 2-dr HT's: 20,525, with an additional 511 being Exported.
61 Pioneer 2-dr HT's: 8,475, " " " 693 " "
I haven't had the time to add up all of these 59-61 years' total production figures.
Edited by d500neil 2012-11-30 5:31 PM
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Location: little rock, AR | Thanks neil. So I have 1 of 3,878. I'd say thats is pretty rare. There can't be too many that have survived. But as we all know the '61 Dodge and Plymouth are not regarded to highly. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Interesting, though, that there were a lot more Dodge verts built in 61, than in the prior three years.
In 57, however, there was a total of 5,819 verts that were built.
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Location: Vancouver, BC | Neil,
Your 1960 and 1961 Polara hardtop figures are backwards. First, those "export" figures are Canadian production, and Chrysler of Canada built 2,125 Polaras in 1960 and a big fat ZERO in 1961. Canadian 1961 DeSoto production also came to zero. 1961 was the year Canadian Dodge-DeSoto-Valiant-Dodge Truck dealers became Dodge-Chrysler-Valiant-Dodge Truck dealers.
Chrysler Canada did not build convertibles from 1937 through to 1962, importing them from the U.S. Similarly the big Dodge, DeSoto and Chrysler wagons were all imported.
1960 Dodge Polara : US / CDN :
4dr Sedan : 4,647 / 1,173
2dr Hardtop : 2,772 / 667
4dr Hardtop : 2,901 / 265
Convertible : 1,279 / 0
2st HT Wagon : 1,236 / 0
3st HT Wagon : 1,768 / 0
Totals : 14,603 / 2,125 (16,728)
1961 Dodge Polara : US / CDN :
4dr Sedan : 7,500 / 0
2dr Hardtop : 1,862 / 0
4dr Hardtop : 2,116 / 0
Convertible : 512 / 0
2st HT Wagon : 908 / 0
3st HT Wagon : 1,134 / 0
Totals : 14,032 / 0
Similarly, the statement -
61 Phoenix 2-dr HT's: 20,525, with an additional 511 being Exported.
61 Pioneer 2-dr HT's: 8,475, " " " 693 " " 9,168
The 20,525 + 511 for 1961 Phoenix 2dr Hardtops are actually 1960 V8 production figures. Total 21,036. 511 were built in Canada.
The 8,475 + 693 for 1961 Pioneer 2dr Hardtops are actually 1960 6 cylinder production. Total 9,168. 693 were built in Canada.
1960 Phoenix 6 2dr hardtop - 1,473 US / 175 CDN - Total 1,648
1960 Pioneer V8 2dr hardtop - 14,966 US / 643 CDN - Total 15,609
Do not have a breakdown for Canadian 1961 production, but -
Pioneer 6 2dr Hardtop - 4,231 US & CDN
Pioneer V8 2dr Hardtop - 6,207 US & CDN
Phoenix 6 2dr Hardtop - 1,061 US & CDN
Phoenix V8 2dr Hardtop - 9,542 US & CDN
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Location: Vancouver, BC | d500neil - 2012-12-01 2:50 AM
Interesting, though, that there were a lot more Dodge verts built in 61, than in the prior three years.
In 57, however, there was a total of 5,819 verts that were built.
Actually, 1961 Dodge convertible production dropped -
Dart Phoenix - 3,878
Polara - 512
TOTAL - 4,390
1960 Dodge convertible production -
Dart Phoenix 6 - 519
Dart Phoenix V8 - 7,002
Polara - 1,279
TOTAL - 8,800
1959 Dodge convertible production -
Coronet - 1,840
Custom Royal - 984
TOTAL - 2,824
1958 Dodge convertible production -
Coronet - 1,718
Custom Royal - 1,139
TOTAL - 2,857
1957 Dodge convertible production -
Coronet - 3,363
Custom Royal - 2,456
TOTAL - 5,819
1960 was the best year and 1957 was second. But remember, the Dart was in a lower price class than the big Dodges. The surprising thing is that 1959 production was lower than the recession year, 1958.
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Location: bishop, ca | OK., the official Historical Society records state that, in 1960:
There were 1,008 (with an additional 83 being "Exported", to CAN) Phoenix-6 4 door hardtops, and 13,046 (with 837 more being
"Exported") Phoenix-8 4 door hardtops.....built
And, there were 1,245 Pioneer-6 9-passenger, and 8,573 Pioneer-8 9-passenger station wagons built, in 1960.
BUT, there was ONE Phoenix-6 9-passenger, and THREE Phoenix-6 6-passenger wagons that were built, in 1960.
Imagine: a 6-cylinder, 9-passenger station wagon....
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Location: Vancouver, BC | d500neil - 2012-12-14 7:12 PM
OK., the official Historical Society records state that, in 1960:
There were 1,008 (with an additional 83 being "Exported", to CAN) Phoenix-6 4 door hardtops, and 13,046 (with 837 more being
"Exported") Phoenix-8 4 door hardtops.....built
And, there were 1,245 Pioneer-6 9-passenger, and 8,573 Pioneer-8 9-passenger station wagons built, in 1960.
BUT, there was ONE Phoenix-6 9-passenger, and THREE Phoenix-6 6-passenger wagons that were built, in 1960.
Imagine: a 6-cylinder, 9-passenger station wagon....
The Phoenix wagons were Canadian-built Sport Suburban models. Dodge in Canada used the same Suburban names for their wagons as Plymouth. The "Sport Suburban" nameplates were 1959 units. Both the Canadian Plymouth and Dodge Dart offered Sport Suburban wagons but no Custom Suburban wagons. Which is why the report you have does not show "export" vehicles for the Custom Suburban.
The reports you received with notation "Export" does NOT mean exported to Canada, it means BUILT in Canada.
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Location: Perth Australia | So no records of the ckd units that came here?
Not so many around it seems, but going by the condition mine was in, its not that surprising
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Location: bishop, ca | Oh; Ok...BUILT in Canada...so, why did Chrysler call those cars "Exported" ?
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Location: bishop, ca | The Detroit offices of the corporation apparently did not retain the figures on the cars that were sent over, in pieces,
(knocked-down) for assembly elsewhere.
I'll do a little more checking, & let you know about that; there MUST have been records-kept, but whether those records were KEPT
or not, is unlikely.
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Location: York County, PA | Thanks, Neil, for the info. No wonder it took us so long to find a hardtop. |
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Location: Vancouver, BC | d500neil - 2012-12-15 3:17 AM
Oh; Ok...BUILT in Canada...so, why did Chrysler call those cars "Exported" ?
Chrysler didn't call them exports. Chrysler Historical did. The reports you are quoting from were apparently done by Chrysler Historical.
Chrysler of Canada did not built convertibles, for example, but imported them. If those figures were export, where are the figures for the export convertibles? And the Custom Sierra and Polara wagon exported to Canada?
The models shown as "export" on all the sheets I have seen, 1957-58 DeSoto, 1957-60 Dodge, are models that were built in Canada. The 1957 DeSoto sheer, for example, shows no export production, and in that year Chrysler of Canada imported all DeSoto models - no 1957 DeSotos were built in Canada.
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Location: Vancouver, BC | d500neil - 2012-12-15 7:02 PM
The Detroit offices of the corporation apparently did not retain the figures on the cars that were sent over, in pieces,
(knocked-down) for assembly elsewhere.
I'll do a little more checking, & let you know about that; there MUST have been records-kept, but whether those records were KEPT
or not, is unlikely.
Chrysler did retain records on cars exported - built up (LHD/RHD), CKD (LHD/RHD) and UKD. Some of the figures Kevin McCabe shared with us had such exports broken down. Where you could find them today, if Chrysler or Chrysler Historical kept them, is a good question.
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Location: little rock, AR | d500neil - 2012-12-14 7:12 PM
OK., the official Historical Society records state that, in 1960:
There were 1,008 (with an additional 83 being "Exported", to CAN) Phoenix-6 4 door hardtops, and 13,046 (with 837 more being
"Exported") Phoenix-8 4 door hardtops.....built
And, there were 1,245 Pioneer-6 9-passenger, and 8,573 Pioneer-8 9-passenger station wagons built, in 1960.
BUT, there was ONE Phoenix-6 9-passenger, and THREE Phoenix-6 6-passenger wagons that were built, in 1960.
Imagine: a 6-cylinder, 9-passenger station wagon....
The /6 can move just about anything. Yesterday, I worked on getting the '60 Pioneer( 9 passenger ) out of its resting place for the past 40yrs (+/-) a couple of years.
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| Chrycoman - 2012-12-14 4:10 AM
Neil,
Your 1960 and 1961 Polara hardtop figures are backwards. First, those "export" figures are Canadian production, and Chrysler of Canada built 2,125 Polaras in 1960 and a big fat ZERO in 1961. Canadian 1961 DeSoto production also came to zero. 1961 was the year Canadian Dodge-DeSoto-Valiant-Dodge Truck dealers became Dodge-Chrysler-Valiant-Dodge Truck dealers.
Chrysler Canada did not build convertibles from 1937 through to 1962, importing them from the U.S. Similarly the big Dodge, DeSoto and Chrysler wagons were all imported.
1960 Dodge Polara : US / CDN :
4dr Sedan : 4,647 / 1,173
2dr Hardtop : 2,772 / 667
4dr Hardtop : 2,901 / 265
Convertible : 1,279 / 0
2st HT Wagon : 1,236 / 0
3st HT Wagon : 1,768 / 0
Totals : 14,603 / 2,125 (16,728)
1961 Dodge Polara : US / CDN :
4dr Sedan : 7,500 / 0
2dr Hardtop : 1,862 / 0
4dr Hardtop : 2,116 / 0
Convertible : 512 / 0
2st HT Wagon : 908 / 0
3st HT Wagon : 1,134 / 0
Totals : 14,032 / 0
Similarly, the statement -
61 Phoenix 2-dr HT's: 20,525, with an additional 511 being Exported.
61 Pioneer 2-dr HT's: 8,475, " " " 693 " " 9,168
The 20,525 + 511 for 1961 Phoenix 2dr Hardtops are actually 1960 V8 production figures. Total 21,036. 511 were built in Canada.
The 8,475 + 693 for 1961 Pioneer 2dr Hardtops are actually 1960 6 cylinder production. Total 9,168. 693 were built in Canada.
1960 Phoenix 6 2dr hardtop - 1,473 US / 175 CDN - Total 1,648
1960 Pioneer V8 2dr hardtop - 14,966 US / 643 CDN - Total 15,609
Do not have a breakdown for Canadian 1961 production, but -
Pioneer 6 2dr Hardtop - 4,231 US & CDN
Pioneer V8 2dr Hardtop - 6,207 US & CDN
Phoenix 6 2dr Hardtop - 1,061 US & CDN
Phoenix V8 2dr Hardtop - 9,542 US & CDN
If Neil was provided with a complete breakdown of production for each of these model years, there would be a listing for U.S. built cars built for the U.S.market, U.S. built cars built for Canada, U.S. built cars built for export and a breakdown of the types of exports (LHD,RHD, built up, knock down, knock down under bond etc.), Canadian built cars built for Canada and Canadian built cars built for export (as noted for the U.S. built cars).
Because he doesn't seem to have that, it leads me to conclude one of two things:
1. The information he has been provided is incomplete.
2. The information he has been provided has been mis-interpreted by whomever provided it, or whoever provided it didn't have a full production report to look at in the first place.
The same sort of detail for the reports I did submit on the 1957 models exists for all of these years as well. And for those who would ask how I know all of this, the answer is: I was trained how to read these reports by one of the people who prepared them. 2012 marked the 20th anniversary of his passing. |
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Location: bishop, ca | My information was prepared by Chrysler on their own spread sheet.
Unless Chrysler is wrong, I'm staying with the numbers that they provided to me.
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If you post the spreadsheet so that we can all see what you're seeing, it's likely that more will turn up. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Not going to post up my spread sheets, which are not "in error".
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Location: Vancouver, BC | Well, Neil is not the only one with a copy of the sheet.
Attached is mine. I came in one spreadsheet left to right, but I split it into Matador-Polara and Dart sections so it would fit on one sheet of paper.
The figures to the right of the slash are the figures Chrysler Historical labels Export. And they are the ones I claim are Canadian production. Along with the Phoenix wagons which were built in Canada. Also note there are no Export convertibles, Pioneer wagons, Matador models or Polara wagons - all models not built in Canada.
I also have 1957-1959 US-style Dodge and 1957-1958 US-style DeSoto sheets. The 1957 DeSoto sheet shows no Export models while the 1958 sheet shows Export Firedome sedans and hardtops. No 1957 DeSotos were built in Canada and the 1958 Canadian production consisted of only Firedome sedans and hardtops.
These sheets were produced by Chrysler Historical according to a number of people. They were based on Chrysler production records but were presented in this style to enclose with requests for build records. Which is how the sheet I have were acquired - people who had recieved them with their build records.
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Beiang a 60 phoenix owner, would you think in the export figures, it could include Australian production as well?
As I am sure your aware, ours came as ckd cars and were assembled here with our local modifications.
I think it would be strange if they were not included as they still are essentially the same as the US/Canadian cars except for the dash being
L/H/D 60 plymouth dashes and the modifications that went along with it.
The other modification I have come across is the trunk lid.
The appeture for the licence plate was enlaged to fit our plates.
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| Chrycoman - 2013-01-02 2:39 AM
Well, Neil is not the only one with a copy of the sheet.
Attached is mine. I came in one spreadsheet left to right, but I split it into Matador-Polara and Dart sections so it would fit on one sheet of paper.
The figures to the right of the slash are the figures Chrysler Historical labels Export. And they are the ones I claim are Canadian production. Along with the Phoenix wagons which were built in Canada. Also note there are no Export convertibles, Pioneer wagons, Matador models or Polara wagons - all models not built in Canada.
I also have 1957-1959 US-style Dodge and 1957-1958 US-style DeSoto sheets. The 1957 DeSoto sheet shows no Export models while the 1958 sheet shows Export Firedome sedans and hardtops. No 1957 DeSotos were built in Canada and the 1958 Canadian production consisted of only Firedome sedans and hardtops.
These sheets were produced by Chrysler Historical according to a number of people. They were based on Chrysler production records but were presented in this style to enclose with requests for build records. Which is how the sheet I have were acquired - people who had recieved them with their build records.
Bill: Have only checked the Matador/Polara numbers so far, but you are correct on all counts. The Matador numbers are ALL cars built - for U.S. Domestic as well as export. The Polara numbers are as you indicated with the numbers to the left of the slash being the total built in the U.S. for domestic and export and where you have single numbers for the wagons, some of that production went to Canada as well. What's not shown on your sheet is Polara convertible production, but following that format, there will be a single number including cars built for the U.S., cars built for export and cars built for Canada. |
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| d500neil - 2013-01-03 8:41 PM
Polara convertible production was 1,279.
Which includes cars built for Canada. |
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| Chrycoman - 2013-01-02 2:39 AM
Well, Neil is not the only one with a copy of the sheet.
Attached is mine. I came in one spreadsheet left to right, but I split it into Matador-Polara and Dart sections so it would fit on one sheet of paper.
The figures to the right of the slash are the figures Chrysler Historical labels Export. And they are the ones I claim are Canadian production. Along with the Phoenix wagons which were built in Canada. Also note there are no Export convertibles, Pioneer wagons, Matador models or Polara wagons - all models not built in Canada.
I also have 1957-1959 US-style Dodge and 1957-1958 US-style DeSoto sheets. The 1957 DeSoto sheet shows no Export models while the 1958 sheet shows Export Firedome sedans and hardtops. No 1957 DeSotos were built in Canada and the 1958 Canadian production consisted of only Firedome sedans and hardtops.
These sheets were produced by Chrysler Historical according to a number of people. They were based on Chrysler production records but were presented in this style to enclose with requests for build records. Which is how the sheet I have were acquired - people who had recieved them with their build records.
Bill: Is the date of the Chrysler production report used to compile these numbers known?
I have checked all of the Dart numbers you have listed against those I have access to and have found a curious patchwork or match and mis-match on the numbers, plus I have discovered one other tidbit that I don't believe has been mentioned before.
First the tidbit: The Dart numbers shown include DeSoto Diplomat production as well. 1960 was the year that Diplomats switched from being Plymouth based vehicles to becoming true badge engineered, Dart based models. So all of the Dart numbers aren't Darts, they are also Diplomats.
Next: All of the six cylinder numbers you have listed match exactly to those I have access to, which suggests to me that the date the report I am seeing is close to the date of the report used for the numbers you have. But I believe they are not the same.
I believe they are not the same because 9 of the 14 numbers listed for V8 Dart production are different between the two reports, with your numbers in each of these cases being higher than those I am looking at. The total is exactly 1000 vehicles and is spread over the following models.
PD4L21
PD4L41
PD4L45
PD4M23
PD4M41
PD4M45
PD4M46
PD4H41
PD4H27
The production numbers for the following cars agree between the two reports.
PD4M21
PD4H23
PD4H43
PD4H45
PD4H46
Where the production totals between the two reports do not agree, the differences range from 30 vehicles to 215 depending on the model. I believe these 1000 cars were built in July and are all U.S. market Darts. No vehicles built for Canada or Diplomats are shown having been built in July in the report I am looking at. Without being able to see the report your summary is based on, it's impossible to definitively determine where these cars were built but the likelihood is that they were either an additional day's production at Hamtramck or an additional week's production at Newark. This hypothesis is based on the annual production of each plant spread evenly over a 50 week production week.
And, as with the six cylinder cars, these "Dart" numbers also include Diplomat production, so none of the numbers is actually all "Dart".
The PD3 & 4 H45 & 46 wagons are all Canadian built for the Canadian market.
The PD3H46 wagon is a one of one vehicle.
Other one of ones include
PF4L21
PF3M21
PF3L45 RHD (there were 3 LHD)
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Location: Vancouver, BC | ttotired - 2013-01-02 3:09 AM
Bill
Beiang a 60 phoenix owner, would you think in the export figures, it could include Australian production as well?
As I am sure your aware, ours came as ckd cars and were assembled here with our local modifications.
I think it would be strange if they were not included as they still are essentially the same as the US/Canadian cars except for the dash being
L/H/D 60 plymouth dashes and the modifications that went along with it.
The other modification I have come across is the trunk lid.
The appeture for the licence plate was enlaged to fit our plates.
Yes, exports to Australia were included in any Chrysler reports that included exports. Chrysler did not breakdown exports by destination, only by type (LHD, RHD, CKD, etc.). Canadian-built Darts used the Plymouth instrument panel, while the Canadian-built export Plymouths and Darts used a RHD instrument panel with the Plymouth instrumentation. The U.S.-built Darts used the Polara panel.
Contrary to popular belief, Chrysler's RHD exports were not modified cars, they were built from the ground up as RHD vehicles. Thus the car came down the assembly line and RHD parts were installed instead of LHD where needed. The cowl / firewall was not a modified LHD unit, but a special RHD unit stamped with its own unique holes. The Canadian parts books list all the unique RHD part numbers, except for 1955 when Chrysler of Canada did not build cars for the export market.
One thing about Canadian-built Darts is that they used a different trunk lid (pn 2059 671) from the U.S. version (pn 1963 664). Trying to figure what was different.
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Location: Perth Australia | I am doing the trunklid on mine as we speak
The part number difference may be to do with the recess for the licence plate.
The recess in mine was badly rusted and what I have found is that it is wider than the US ones.
I needed a new plate recess surround and got one from the US, its was about 3" shorter than mine.
They cut the surround and added 2 stainless peices to joint it back up.
The recess itself has 2 x 1 1/2" strips added to leanthen it.
The frame of the trunk is the same, but they went a bit crazy with the hole saw adding access points so you can
get to the nuts that hold the surround on (the nuts moved outwards).
The skin itself may be a different skin as the step in on the skin to take the recess does not look like it was modified, so they
may have changed the stamping to make the hole bigger.
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Location: Vancouver, BC | kmccabe56 - 2013-01-04 11:55 AM
Bill: Is the date of the Chrysler production report used to compile these numbers known?
I have checked all of the Dart numbers you have listed against those I have access to and have found a curious patchwork or match and mis-match on the numbers, plus I have discovered one other tidbit that I don't believe has been mentioned before.
First the tidbit: The Dart numbers shown include DeSoto Diplomat production as well. 1960 was the year that Diplomats switched from being Plymouth based vehicles to becoming true badge engineered, Dart based models. So all of the Dart numbers aren't Darts, they are also Diplomats.
Next: All of the six cylinder numbers you have listed match exactly to those I have access to, which suggests to me that the date the report I am seeing is close to the date of the report used for the numbers you have. But I believe they are not the same.
I believe they are not the same because 9 of the 14 numbers listed for V8 Dart production are different between the two reports, with your numbers in each of these cases being higher than those I am looking at. The total is exactly 1000 vehicles and is spread over the following models.
PD4L21
PD4L41
PD4L45
PD4M23
PD4M41
PD4M45
PD4M46
PD4H41
PD4H27
The production numbers for the following cars agree between the two reports.
PD4M21
PD4H23
PD4H43
PD4H45
PD4H46
Where the production totals between the two reports do not agree, the differences range from 30 vehicles to 215 depending on the model. I believe these 1000 cars were built in July and are all U.S. market Darts. No vehicles built for Canada or Diplomats are shown having been built in July in the report I am looking at. Without being able to see the report your summary is based on, it's impossible to definitively determine where these cars were built but the likelihood is that they were either an additional day's production at Hamtramck or an additional week's production at Newark. This hypothesis is based on the annual production of each plant spread evenly over a 50 week production week.
And, as with the six cylinder cars, these "Dart" numbers also include Diplomat production, so none of the numbers is actually all "Dart".
The PD3 & 4 H45 & 46 wagons are all Canadian built for the Canadian market.
The PD3H46 wagon is a one of one vehicle.
Other one of ones include
PF4L21
PF3M21
PF3L45 RHD (there were 3 LHD)
Kevin,
Unfortunately I do not know when these sheets were made up or by whom. Also, no idea what the person was using for reference.
I knew about the Diplomat being based on the Dart for 1960-61, but did not know Chrysler kept records of which models were built. Thought they only did that in 1957-59. Chrysler of Canada built Plymouth Belvedere, Dodge Dart Pioneer and DeSoto Diplomat Deluxe models for export in 1960 - 6 cylinder only. Also, I believe they were only 4-door sedans. Previous years they also built wagons and 4-door hardtops. In the U.S. Diplomats were built in all Dart body styles, or at least offered in all body styles.
I have some monthly / annual reports published in Wards, Automotive News, etc. and they show no production at Windsor for the months of August, 1959, and July, 1960. All show just "Dodge" for the 1960 model year period with figures not broken down by Dart / Dodge in the monthly production reports. They show U.S. July, 1960, production at 27,285, a drop from June's 46,626. I have some weekly production reports from AI and they show no production in the last week of July - changeover time, I guess.
It would be helpful if we knew what date the original information was compiled (for starters).
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The report I saw confirms most of your comments about Canadian production. There were a relative handful of cars built and they were all six cylinder but if this report is correct, there were some PF3H43s built and about 2/3 of the total were RHD.
Preparation of the report I saw was started in June of 1960 but there are entries under June and July as well.
Obviously the summary you have was prepared after the report I looked at was issued. Somebody obviously felt that another 1000 cars merited a re-issue of the report.
Did Canada just supply Commonwealth countries? For the paltry number of export cars they built, I don't see how anybody could justify the business case to build them when the U.S. built almost 60 for each one Windsor built. |
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Location: Vancouver, BC | kmccabe56 - 2013-01-06 6:16 PM
Bill
The report I saw confirms most of your comments about Canadian production. There were a relative handful of cars built and they were all six cylinder but if this report is correct, there were some PF3H43s built and about 2/3 of the total were RHD.
Preparation of the report I saw was started in June of 1960 but there are entries under June and July as well.
Obviously the summary you have was prepared after the report I looked at was issued. Somebody obviously felt that another 1000 cars merited a re-issue of the report.
Did Canada just supply Commonwealth countries? For the paltry number of export cars they built, I don't see how anybody could justify the business case to build them when the U.S. built almost 60 for each one Windsor built.
Not surprised there were PF3H43 models built. They were offered in 1957-59.
I believe the bulk of Chrysler Canada exports were to Commonwealth countries, although Australia (chassis) and Britiain (CKD) were supplied from Detroit during the 1930's. From 1941 through to 1954 Chrysler Canada supplied Australia with chassis for Plymouth, Kingsway and Diplomat. The 1954 Plymouth (P25) and Dodge D49 had higher than normal chassis production, with US production under P25-2 and Canadian under P25-3 and D49-3. The 1954 chassis were used in Australia for 1954 and 1955 production, with 1956 chassis being locally built I believe. Engines for 1956 came from the U.S. or London (Kew). The Australian-built 1953-54 bodies were used in 1955-56 and then updated for the Chrysler Royal. Got almost ten years out that body! Australia must have been the big market for chassis as Chrysler Corporation chassis production all but disappeared in 1955.
Chrysler Canada did export Valiant sedans to Britiain in 1963. Came across a fellow about ten years ago in Indonesia with a Canadian-built RHD 1965 Barracuda. One interesting car Chrysler Canada built for export was the 1961-62 Dodge Lancer - a Valiant with a Lancer trunklid, nameplates and emblems. Never been able to find out where they went to.
Chrysler's export business started in the 1920's and continued through to 1954. No export vehicles were built in 1955 and in 1956 they again began building cars for export. But the numbers appear to be extremely small. As you say, the numbers are so small you really have to wonder if it was a profitable operation.
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1959-1961 DODGE production numbers
