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Powerflite
Posted 2013-05-08 2:51 PM (#374192)
Subject: New Project '57 Windsor 2dr Hardtop



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I just bought a new project car. It is a '57 Windsor 2 dr. hardtop. Looks like the original color was a copper/brown and it seems to be painted the same color under the rear "swoop" trim too. Is there a body tag or something that I should be looking at for more info? It has the original spitfire motor and pushbutton trans. The right rear quarter is a little bent up so that will need some work. It also has a little rust on the same side, but not bad. The trunk pan is rusted in places, it needs a windshield and seal, hood springs, side trim, gas cap, fuel pump, and all the interior. The right door doesn't latch shut and the left door doesn't open from the outside. I also don't have any of the keys for the car. So I have my work cut out for me, but it should be fun. I plan to probably swap the motor for a 392 hemi dressed up with 300C air filters. Hopefully I can figure out where to get all the stuff it needs.



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StillOutThere
Posted 2013-05-08 3:32 PM (#374200 - in reply to #374192)
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<p>Great attractive body style. Congrats! Wonder what it would look like with the rear quarter accent panel done as a HEMI billboard, ala Challenger, even if only ghosted in. This of course would be if you do go the Hemi route. Polys also cool.</p><p>There should be a data plate attached to the car either on the radiator support or on the upper cowl.  Give us the "PNT" paint code and we'll interpret.</p>

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Powerflite
Posted 2013-05-10 12:49 AM (#374444 - in reply to #374200)
Subject: Re: New Project '57 Windsor 2dr Hardtop



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That is an interesting idea to put the hemi billboard in the two tone swoop. I am not very good with photoshop, but I made a picture from a black/red car the best I could. Doesn't look as bad as I thought it would although the hemi font is off from the original.



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FIN ME
Posted 2013-05-10 12:40 PM (#374519 - in reply to #374192)
Subject: Re: New Project '57 Windsor 2dr Hardtop



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Congratulations, Nathan!

Love them '57 two-door Windsors! Kissing cousins to my car.

Howzabout this for a paint job?

(Just kidding! )
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Powerflite
Posted 2013-05-12 9:21 PM (#374895 - in reply to #374200)
Subject: Re: New Project '57 Windsor 2dr Hardtop



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Here is a photo of the data plate. What can you get from this?



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57burb
Posted 2013-05-13 1:42 PM (#374998 - in reply to #374192)
Subject: RE: New Project '57 Windsor 2dr Hardtop



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Code NLN indicates Desert Beige on the lower body (L), with Copper Brown on the roof and insert (N).

Nice ride you got there! I'm sure someone will chime in with the other options your car has (I don't know them). If you want a full option decode for your car, you can get that from Chrysler Historical. They will send you something similar to this.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a274/46Tbird/NewYorker/ChryslerDe...



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Powerflite
Posted 2013-05-20 1:27 PM (#376156 - in reply to #374998)
Subject: RE: New Project '57 Windsor 2dr Hardtop



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Thanks That is one sweet New Yorker you have there, if it is yours. I will like mine a lot better once it is clean and drivable.

I made some progress over the weekend. I replaced the distributor & coil with a later electronic version (I don't like to have to mess with points and a weak spark when I am trying to get something running), hooked up the pump to a gas can, primed the 2bbl carb, and let her rip. And what do you know, it fired right up .... just before the carb flooded and dumped gas out, and the pump started squirting a double stream out of the top of it. So I replaced the intake & carb with a good 4bbl and installed a new fuel pump. Then it ran surprisingly well. I am one step closer to being able to move the thing around. Yea! Next up are the brakes, gas tank & transmission.

I also took all the trim off the windshield area except for the long stainless piece at the bottom center that I can't figure out how to get off. Anyone know how to remove it? I also can't figure out how to remove the wiper arms of all things. Maybe they are just rusted on, but they sure don't seem to want to move.
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Powerflite
Posted 2013-06-02 8:54 PM (#378636 - in reply to #376156)
Subject: RE: New Project '57 Windsor 2dr Hardtop



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I replaced the fuel tank over the weekend. What a nightmare that was. Only because the silver painted chinese made tank had the wrong size inlet on it. I struggled with it for a couple of hours and ended up denting the tank trying to push the tube into it. I finally took it all out, removed the O-ring, and tryed inserting the tube into the tank by itself. It wasn't even close to fitting in. GRRR. I had to grind off about .1" diameter off the end of the tank inlet in order to get it to fit. I put it all back together and it works well now, even with the dent. The sellers really need to provide a disclaimer about that, or at least inform the buyer so that I don't waste all the time and dent my new tank up before I can get it in........
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Powerflite
Posted 2013-06-10 8:55 PM (#380208 - in reply to #378636)
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I removed the seats this weekend and cleaned the floor to see what repairs it may need. I found out that my car is a real rat rod. I found 2 dead rats under the front seat, just a sack of bones held together by dried skin. Not even any fur left. I was very happy to heft their carcasses out of my car and into the bin. The floor needs some work under the seat mounts, and a patch on the right side. Overall, not too bad but it will take some work to get it done.

The power seat switch needs serious repair. I am wondering if there is a good replacement for all of that archaic circuitry on cardboard. Seems like it could be replaced with 3 momentary switches connected to the backside of the original bezel. Anyone done something like this before?
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d500neil
Posted 2013-06-10 9:53 PM (#380219 - in reply to #380208)
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Nathan, there were different styles, or generations, of the power seat controls.

Can you post up a pic of your power seat control mechanism?

L.A.-built Chryslers also had strips of masking tape be laid across the center of their P/T plates, and used back-less head mounting screws.






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Powerflite
Posted 2013-06-22 10:42 AM (#382361 - in reply to #380219)
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I'll try to get a picture of the switch.

I don't have the right carb to use on my motor yet and I'm not sure I want to use the really small cfm of the original. What was it like 400cfm? Maybe I can get a bigger carb from the early '60's that will work. But in the meantime, I made this adapter to use the original air cleaner with a newer AFB. Works pretty well.



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Powerflite
Posted 2013-09-15 9:51 PM (#397887 - in reply to #382361)
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The floor repair work is done and I took the car for a short drive around the block. That was really fun. The speedometer was making an enormous racket at only 20mph and everything is VERY filthy. So out came the dash. It's going to get a good coat of paint and going to go through everything. Should be fun. I just hope I don't loose the hardware in the process.



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miquelonbrad
Posted 2013-09-17 10:21 AM (#398138 - in reply to #374192)
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WOW!! You go, girl!!

The interior in my '57 4 door sedan looks a lot like the shape of yours...seats are almost non-existent!
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Powerflite
Posted 2013-09-17 1:55 PM (#398191 - in reply to #398138)
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It was really funny driving it around. You should have seen the looks on people's faces. At first it was, wow, cool old car which very quickly turned to, what the heck - is that thing driveable???

I had a short in my harness that was really bringing me down. I couldn't find it to save my life. I tore apart the old tape looking for bad wires etc because 1 wire had self destructed in the past and its remains were visible. Finally, I started at the battery and disconnected 1 wire at a time until I narrowed it down. It turned out to be coming from my hydraulic brake switch of all things. The darn thing is shorted out on the inside. I had thought that I needed a new generator because mine just wasn't puttin' out. But it actually works well once the short is eliminated.
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miquelonbrad
Posted 2013-09-22 6:02 PM (#399116 - in reply to #374192)
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I's like to get my four door rolling as is, while I rebuild the 2 door...but we can't seem to get the engine un-stuck from sitting for 30 years...shame too, cause it has new wide whites, that totally contradict the two bullet holes in the passenger side fender... :D
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Powerflite
Posted 2013-09-23 12:37 AM (#399155 - in reply to #399116)
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My car had been sitting since 1980, but I got lucky in that the last 15 years it was stored inside a tow company building and before that it was in a dry desert area so the motor just started right up after changing the oil. And it runs surprising well. No smoke, no miss, no leaks and lots of power. The transmission, on the other hand takes a while for it to engage, leaks when on hills, and shifts a little soft. Oh well, can't have everything. I am thinking of replacing it with a 518 overdrive, but I have got to get a windshield into it before the rains start so that is the first priority.
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Powerflite
Posted 2014-02-20 11:06 AM (#428128 - in reply to #399155)
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I was having a hard time figuring out what the original color of the copper glow is. The original paint looks brownish and the paint chips that I see are a similar color of brown. But I recently sanded through the outer layer of pink paint to reveal the copper color underneath. And surprise - it is the same true copper color as the gauge pods. Not brown at all. So it seems that the old copper paint fades quite a bit, and even on the original paint chips.



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Powerflite
Posted 2015-01-10 9:11 PM (#467224 - in reply to #428128)
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It is raining today so I stopped working on the '56 Plymouth and worked on the right rear repair panel for the '57 Chrysler. I hate drilling out spot welds so I use a plasma cutter to get the holes started. If they need to go bigger then I will use a drill. It goes a lot faster that way.



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Powerflite
Posted 2015-05-31 2:31 PM (#479965 - in reply to #467224)
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This is what my right qtr panel looked like when I bought it. It took a hit from the front qtr panel all the way to behind the rear wheel. Someone during the brass age tried to fix it, gave up and intentionally warped the panel with a torch above the rip. I'm sure there are fun things to find under that bondo in the front as well.



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Powerflite
Posted 2015-05-31 2:59 PM (#479968 - in reply to #479965)
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I'm almost finished installing the '58 DeSoto qtr that I got from John. The lower weld needs a little more massaging as does the vertical seam. I am waiting for the right dolly to show up in the mail before I finish it. Then I can begin with the filler. It shouldn't need much as I check my work with a straight edge during all phases of the installation. There was some repair required for the inner structure as well, but I was able to get it back together without too much effort. Then on to the front section.

By the way, the quarter panel that I purchased from Ebay from classicparts4u was absolute junk. Completely worthless. It isn't even the right gauge steel. Way too thin and the wheel opening was a travesty. Not even close. Don't even think about using it. Mine went straight to the scrap pile for recycling. No other possible use for it.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-17 5:30 PM (#548585 - in reply to #374192)
Subject: RE: New Project '57 Windsor 2dr Hardtop



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It's a little hard to see in the picture of the right side of the car above, but the bottom of the right door is rusted out about 20" along the bottom of it. It is also bent from the large dent in it. The dent is not too hard to straighten and the rust section is really close to the seam so it is still fixable; but it was easier to just replace the door, so that's what I am doing. This replacement comes from a '57 Dodge convertible that I spent a couple of hours welding the trim holes up and pounding out a couple of small dents. There is one dent at the bottom of it that I missed. I guess this makes up for all the cars that were parted out to fix convertibles. Now a convertible was parted out to fix a Windsor!



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Posted 2017-09-17 5:46 PM (#548587 - in reply to #374192)
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Quite a project!
I have a couple of those waiting patiently as well.
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-18 1:03 AM (#548602 - in reply to #548587)
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Yes, this project has been put on hold until I get my New Yorker done, but I got tired of having this extra door kicking around so it was time to get it mounted and out of the way.
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