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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-04-16 10:05 PM (#475731 - in reply to #398789)
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-04-17 8:26 PM (#475818 - in reply to #398789)
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All sheet metal assembled. Body elevated for easy trimming and undercoat the body(not the front end) which will be under coated later.



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-04-17 8:49 PM (#475821 - in reply to #398789)
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Any inside the car work or heavy work like installing the windshield, back glass and instrument panel was all done with the body bolted to the paint frame.

Followed by body drop and very carefully shimming at every body (as required) to get even contact between body and frame and then torquing to specs.

Bumpers being installed.

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-04-17 9:07 PM (#475823 - in reply to #398789)
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I found a material to take the place of the mastic that was sprayed on the inner surfaces of the body. Last pic and next one show it. It is aluminized mobile home roof coating. It is asphalt based, provides excellent sound deadening, insulation against heat and absolutely water proof. The downside is that if applied thickly (like we want to) it takes a very long time to dry. I used it on all my cars..

More assembly.

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Posted 2015-04-17 9:09 PM (#475824 - in reply to #398789)
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I found a material to take the place of the mastic that was sprayed on the inner surfaces of the body. Last pic and next one show it. It is aluminized mobile home roof coating. It is asphalt based, provides excellent sound deadening, insulation against heat and absolutely water proof. The downside is that if applied thickly (like we want to) it takes a very long time to dry. I used it on all my cars..

More assembly.

Greg
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Posted 2015-04-17 9:11 PM (#475825 - in reply to #398789)
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Posted 2015-04-18 8:50 PM (#475915 - in reply to #398789)
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-04-18 9:07 PM (#475918 - in reply to #398789)
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Under the fender undercoating was done at about the end of the assembly process. This would be typical overspray patterns.

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-04-18 9:15 PM (#475919 - in reply to #398789)
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These are the last of the 300C photos.

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-04-18 9:29 PM (#475921 - in reply to #398789)
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-04-20 12:56 AM (#476058 - in reply to #475163)
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1961plymouthfury - 2015-04-12 3:21 AM

I will never put a fowardlook on the road until I know its safe to drive. My dad is the same way


I have been reading your thread from the start and I have a few questions.

How old are you? If old enough to pilot a car and can't yet master an air sander, should I be worried about driving on the same roads as you??

Watching your thread I would have to wonder how you would ever be able to evaluate a car to determine whether or not it was safe to drive!!?

Just asking the RATHER OBVIOUS questions. YOU came on my thread and set the ball in motion! So, ----- Deal with it!

In any case, I wish you all the best with your project.

Greg
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Posted 2015-04-20 5:14 AM (#476065 - in reply to #398789)
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Greg, are the wiring harnesses in your car new or do you restore them? If they are new, where do you get them from?
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Posted 2015-04-20 5:24 AM (#476066 - in reply to #398789)
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Posted 2015-04-20 6:10 AM (#476075 - in reply to #398789)
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I agree with Wizard.
Great pictures for futur reference.
Incredible job Greg!!!!

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Posted 2015-04-20 6:01 PM (#476135 - in reply to #476075)
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Amazing stuff, Greg. Thank you so much for posting these.

Please tell me more about the horn relay. I haphazardly put the "triad" horn option in my De Soto, but I just wired it from the existing Spartan horn terminal on the driver side to the AutoLite terminal on the passenger side. When the engine is revved up, the triad honks nicely, at idle the honker is not too honkey.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-04-20 7:17 PM (#476139 - in reply to #398789)
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Thanks guys. I must admit that I felt a little old when I was going through that photo album. It is almost 20 years since I did that car!! I'm sure research and documentation has progressed since then.

Mike, it sounds like a voltage thing with your horns. I suppose the contacts in the relay could be pitted and/or corroded. I really posted those pics to show the original terminals, I didn't mean to imply that I have first hand knowledge of the internals.

Todd, I make wiring harnesses for 57 - early 60s Mopars. I will post some pics of it soon.

Greg
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Posted 2015-04-20 7:39 PM (#476140 - in reply to #476139)
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Some of the supplies for the harnesses. Trays show all kinds of OEM, original terminals and connectors, some of which are obsolete and have been for many years. Also a tray of modern terminals.

Greg
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Posted 2015-04-20 7:44 PM (#476141 - in reply to #476140)
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Posted 2015-04-20 7:51 PM (#476142 - in reply to #476141)
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Full size harness board for instrument panel/underhood harness for 57/58 Chryslers. Most terminals were different 57 to 58 but the routing and taping were the same.



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Posted 2015-04-20 7:54 PM (#476143 - in reply to #476142)
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Close up of some of that board.



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Posted 2015-04-20 7:58 PM (#476144 - in reply to #476143)
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I have a box of patterns of all the wires that fit that board. Here are all new wires on top of the board to make a new harness.



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Posted 2015-04-20 8:03 PM (#476146 - in reply to #476144)
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Here is the new 57 harness taped as original.



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Posted 2015-04-20 8:05 PM (#476147 - in reply to #476146)
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Finished and labelled.



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Posted 2015-04-20 8:07 PM (#476148 - in reply to #476147)
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I'll get some close ups of areas of that harness.

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Posted 2015-05-12 9:47 PM (#478111 - in reply to #398789)
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Greg,

here are some pictures of rims off the Desoto, the electrofuse rim looks to be dated 59?

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Posted 2015-05-13 1:20 AM (#478118 - in reply to #478111)
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Thanks for posting, Paul. My research doesn't extend any further than what Wayne's handbook told me where and what to look for with respect to Chrysler wheels. I don't know what Desoto did.

Perhaps Wayne can shed more light on this?!

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Posted 2015-05-18 8:49 AM (#478641 - in reply to #398789)
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Here is another ELECTROFUSE wheel looks to be dated 58, has a part number on so may be a replacement from dealers?



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Posted 2015-05-18 8:53 AM (#478642 - in reply to #398789)
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Hi Greg,

on a factory undersealed car, was the inside fully undersealed also, my Regal looks to have been apart from the inside trunk floor and underside of Hood?

thanks Paul.
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Posted 2015-05-18 1:18 PM (#478661 - in reply to #478642)
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The interior floor surfaces were coated with that "mastic" stuff and may be well covered or not very well covered! Huge differences from car to car.

Factory undercoat was only applied to the underside of the body and before it was dropped onto the frame.

57 Dodge hoods appear to have been undercoated. 58, some say had under pads. I have only seen one that looked even a little like original? It was on this site. A 4dr sedan I think, I thought I did a screen shot of that pic but I guess not.

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Posted 2015-05-18 10:22 PM (#478743 - in reply to #478118)
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Paul and Greg,  I'm not sure what the question is regarding wheels and Electrofuse.  Perhaps clearly stated I can attempt to help.

Is this helpful???:   at  http://www.classicchambered.com/classic/wheels.html#quote

 

 
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-05-19 1:43 AM (#478759 - in reply to #478743)
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Thanks, Wayne. Good info and an excellent source. Wheels are an on-going problem. Nobody could be more critical about wheels than me. When I get a wheel from any source, used, new or otherwise, the first thing is take it to my guy who will spin the wheel only on his spin balancer and check it for both radial and lateral runout. It has been a while and I don't remember my tolerances, but they were "tight"! Wheels that fail went into the scrap bucket. I now see that I would have been more helpful to others had I sent them to these people to re-man!! Hey, spilt milk!

The good ones, I returned to the OEM theatre. Some were painted dark gray, some white, some light gray and some silver. For 57, Dodge, the factory over sprayed the outer portions of some wheels with the major body colour of the car they were to be installed on. What a forensic dogs breakfast that is to unravall!!

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Posted 2015-05-19 2:51 AM (#478765 - in reply to #398789)
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Electrofuse was the method of manufacturing probably the spinning 2 halves together and them melding together as I have seen done before .
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That wheel has "MW "Stamped into them which Is Motor Wheel Coproration , as only Motor Wheel Corp , Budd, and Kelsey Hayes made steel wheels back then to my knowledge

Scroll to the very bottom to see the info about Electrofuse . It also has all the wheel listing for Mopars

http://jholst.net/tires-wheels/MotorWheelCat_1964a.pdf

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Posted 2015-05-19 5:58 AM (#478775 - in reply to #478661)
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LD3 Greg - 2015-05-18 1:18 PM

The interior floor surfaces were coated with that "mastic" stuff and may be well covered or not very well covered! Huge differences from car to car.

Factory undercoat was only applied to the underside of the body and before it was dropped onto the frame.

57 Dodge hoods appear to have been undercoated. 58, some say had under pads. I have only seen one that looked even a little like original? It was on this site. A 4dr sedan I think, I thought I did a screen shot of that pic but I guess not.

Greg


Greg, Neil had these posted years ago.



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Posted 2015-05-19 9:55 AM (#478788 - in reply to #478765)
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The Adventurer - 2015-05-19 1:51 AM Electrofuse was the method of manufacturing probably the spinning 2 halves together and them melding together as I have seen done before . , That wheel has "MW "Stamped into them which Is Motor Wheel Coproration , as only Motor Wheel Corp , Budd, and Kelsey Hayes made steel wheels back then to my knowledge Scroll to the very bottom to see the info about Electrofuse . It also has all the wheel listing for Mopars http://jholst.net/tires-wheels/MotorWheelCat_1964a.pdf

It is a great catalog however I am unable to identify any of the M-W painted or chromed wire spoke wheels in the listings.  Are they there?

 

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Posted 2015-05-19 6:05 PM (#478841 - in reply to #398789)
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The 1958 Dodges did not have "undercoated" hoods...like the 57 Dodges have on them.

The 1957 undercoating, besides being permanently installed, is simple to restore; just mask-off the rest of the
car, or hood, and paint the underside of the hood in gloss black paint.

In the above photo, note that the A/C equipped 58 Dodges only had under-hood room to accommodate
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-05-22 11:58 PM (#479127 - in reply to #478841)
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Here are a few pics of interesting "fun" topics that I came across in my albums.

The first is a 57 Dodge underhood pic sent to me by someone. Note that the "factory" undercoating looks a whole lot more like "mastic" than undercoater!!

Check out the underhood light!

Greg



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Posted 2015-05-23 12:01 AM (#479128 - in reply to #398789)
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I found this tag wired to a body mount on one of my 58 CDN, Dodges. Anyone else seen something like this?

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Posted 2015-05-23 12:02 AM (#479129 - in reply to #479128)
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Posted 2015-05-23 12:05 AM (#479130 - in reply to #398789)
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Plain or black painted gas tank straps have been a question before. Here are both.

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Posted 2015-05-23 12:09 AM (#479131 - in reply to #398789)
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An interesting difference between 57 and 58 Dodge rear 5-hole plate/shock mounts.

Greg



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Posted 2015-05-23 12:38 AM (#479134 - in reply to #398789)
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Anyone interested in taking "factory originality" to the extreme? Here are factory on-line ball joints. NOT factory replacements or NOS. These on-line joints had DPCD logos stamped on their tops. The only ones I ever saw to do so.

Too bad my old film, point and shoot camera couldn't capture that DPCD image.

Knowing me there is a good chance I packaged and kept them. If so I might be able to get a current digital image of them. I doubt anyone today really cares!!

In the meantime, check out the metal "washers" or retainers the factory used to protect these joints. Too bad that they didn't work very well or last that long!!!



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Posted 2015-05-23 9:20 PM (#479191 - in reply to #398789)
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Original ball joints?

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Posted 2015-05-23 9:22 PM (#479192 - in reply to #398789)
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Ball joint top seal/dust cover.

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Posted 2015-05-23 9:24 PM (#479193 - in reply to #398789)
Subject: RE: Greg Leggatt's Forward Look Art Gallery Thread



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Ball joint lower seal/dust cover no steel washers

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springsweptwing
Posted 2015-05-23 9:26 PM (#479194 - in reply to #398789)
Subject: RE: Greg Leggatt's Forward Look Art Gallery Thread



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Steering joint seal/dust cover.



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2015-05-23 10:39 PM (#479199 - in reply to #479194)
Subject: RE: Greg Leggatt's Forward Look Art Gallery Thread


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Yes, original. Thanks for sharing those photos! Probably don't see these very often today.

How did/do they feel? Loose and worn out or can you reuse them?

Greg
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Posted 2016-02-07 8:28 AM (#503455 - in reply to #398789)
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Wiring a 59 and later heater A/C switch.

First photo shows the three wires from the main instrument panel harness. For A/C, the black wire goes to the top tab on the back of the heat A/C switch.

The brown wire plugs to the single brown wire of the A/C harness.

The green wire goes to the blower switch.

Next photos are the separate A/C harness. The two pole connector ( two brown and a green) plugs to the blower switch.

The blue wire goes to the horizontal tab on the heat A/C switch

The brown plugs to the brown of the main harness ( as mentioned above)

The combination brown/green goes to the vertical tab on the heat A/C switch

Greg



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Posted 2016-02-07 9:27 AM (#503460 - in reply to #398789)
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To complete the story, both A/C and non A/C cars use the same main instrument panel harness so the three wires shown in photo one would apply to either car.

For non A/C:

The green goes to the centre tab on the heat only switch

The brown goes to the top side tab on the switch

The black goes to the bottom tab on the switch

Greg
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Posted 2016-02-07 11:50 AM (#503479 - in reply to #479129)
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LD3 Greg - 2015-05-23 12:02 AM

Try again!



I've never seen one before, but those are my initials!! I gotta have it on my 58 Dodge! haha



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Posted 2016-02-07 7:06 PM (#503526 - in reply to #503479)
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David, I knew there was a good reason to save it all those years ago!!

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