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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Stopping by my local town hall to see if I can get the permits for a 54 wide by 45 deep garage in the back yard. Primairily cold storage, but the 59 will never see snow again. Today it's putting on the boxing gloves with zoning and the building inspector. Wish me luck.
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | Good luck Bart. Let us know how it turns out. Then let us know when we can come over for the garage warming.... ha ha. |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Yeah... well it appears as though the former home owner made a lot of improvements without pulling permits. Now yours truly has to straighten the red tape mess out first before I can drive a shovel in the ground. Building inspector starts nosing around the Basement Monday morning. Egad !!!!!
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Well, THAT was (un)pleasant. HVAC, plumbing and electrical fixes to come into compliance. Nothing time and money won't fix. THis should set me back far enough to kill the project for this winter, but the plan is to turn it all around ASAP and salvage construction for Nov / Dec.... We shall see.
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Location: Ripon, WI | Bureaucracy sucks.
Wish they would let you do with your property what you want to. Another freedom down the drain. |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | All non-compliancy issues should be squared away by tomorrow afternoon. Just have to pay for all the outstanding permits and get signed off... Then....
Our variance hearing is set for the evening of Nov 21st. Not giving up yet, just working the system. |
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Location: Perth Australia | You guys have a hearing to get a permit to build?
It only gets to that if someone objects or something here or they knock the plans back and you appeal it or something.
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Location: Upper Hunter NSW Australia | .....
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Mick, over here in Nuisance Wales it took me 5 months to get my 12 meter by 13.5 meter shed in a semi rural area passed by our local authorities, went to 5 monthly council meetings and two onsite committee meeting and had to comply with all sort of ridiculous crap. I wasn't even going to be allowed to build my shed at the end of it until I got legal with them and mentioned I would take them to the " Land and Environment " court.
My costs to do so would be, win or lose, around $2000 in legals but because they'd have to pay for all their bungling bureaucrats to follow the case to court ,their costs would have been around the $40 000 mark and that was 12 years ago now.
They quickly sat around the negotiation table after my threat !!
I got my shed !!
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Hope you get the shed you want Bart, every man needs his shed !!!
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | All Non Compliant issues have been resolved.
We can have a building the size we want without the hearing. Tomorrow if things go well I get a zoning permit and building permit. keep your fingers crossed. |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Zoning and Building permits pulled. Groundbreaking starts later next week. We got the full size we were looking for. 54ft wide by 45ft deep. |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | Congratulations Bart. How long to build now? Are you going to put in any 'goodies' like a lift or heater? |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Tapped all out after this is up. Maybe in a few years we'll do more of that. I am running gas and electric and a few additional PVC runs for future use. Id like to run heating coils in a portion of it for a future workshop, but it's unknown. A little apartment sized forced air furnace may be the way to go. |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Meeting the builder tomorrow at 11:00 am. |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | No Turning Back Now !!!! 
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Ran Gas, Electrical and a spare run too.
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Location: NE Ohio | I see a good looking bird in your garage...and "YES" no turning back now |
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Location: Ripon, WI | You are going to have more garage than me now.... I only have a 2 car at my new place... Which means 1.5 car in FL terms. |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Building Materials to be delivered Fri. Dec. 13th, with construction starting the following Monday Dec. 16th. They say it will be done before Christmas. |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Big boys tinker toys.... They start popping holes in the ground Monday. 
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | Bart must have been a very good boy this year!??!?!  |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Hit a snag.... The posts for the back wall of the proposed structure are over the old leech bed. P-gravel keeps undercutting and filling in the post holes as quickly as the auger drills. I either have to move the building, or make it not as deep to move the back wall into good soil. CRAP ! 
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | or... make it bigger! |
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Location: Perth Australia | Not sure this would work, but what if you make a really watery concrete (just the dust ) mix and pour it in to stop the gravel
Its either something like that or a bore casing (a plastic pipe bigger than your bore size) rammed into the hole to hopefully sit in the undercut from where the gravel has fallen out from
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | whats the dia of the hole and how much deeper does it have to go . if the hole has a wide enough base and is close to deep enough , i'd use it as is . is it that you're worried about the
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Chuck, One whole wall was over the leech bed. The workers were really going to sock it to me for all the extra time and labor to hand dig the holes, plus Sonotubes, etc. THEN they said the only way they felt comfortable going ahead was to completely excavate the entire wall length for a poured footing wall. If I shift the buildings location by 4 1/2 feet, I avoid all the hassles, so that is what we did.
I lost most of a day, but ultimately stopped the bleeding. Hopefully today we will see real progress. There's about a foot of frost so far and between the rocks and frost, We blew up the teeth on the auger and wiped out the only shear pin they brought along. They had better be more prepared today.
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Location: Perth Australia | How does moving the building affect your council/city planning permits?
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Got the OK from the building inspector and zoning prior to having the building "shifted".
Finally some progress. 
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Are those beams planted in the ground????????????????????????? What about concrete floor and anchoring the beams onto something solid?? Or.... I don't understand and those are temporary beams that will support the real ones!? |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Treated lumber beams in the ground on a cement pad below the frost line. The inside of the building will be brought up to 4" below grade, then a cement slab will be poured.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | That wouldn't be allowed over here, we cannot build in pressure-treated wood in a house or garage, due to the somewhat not healthy fumes.
Interesting to see the differences in building norms and standards.
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | don't know who drew up your plans but i surely wouldn't have planted structural wood post in the ground . yes i know a lot of people do . but for longevity , no and especially not in a damp
climate . are the posts back filled with concrete or dirt . since they are planted , i'd feel more secure with concrete , from a rot stand point . the posts will still wick water and natural acids
but concrete back fill would slow it way down . by the way treated wood products are treated against pests only not water rot . by the looks of the photos the may have been painted with
creosote or something similar . creosote only works with pressurized dry applications , like telephone poles are made . man , i aint tryin to beat your project down , just trying to give a little
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Location: River Falls, WI | I put up a 24 x 50 Lesters pole building with 16' ceiling in '79 when I had a semi. The posts set on a cement plug in the bottom of the hole and the hole filled with cement around the treated posts. No issues at all. In fact, about a mile from me, there is a family living in a pole building for at least 25 years. Quite common in this area.
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Location: Ripon, WI | Yeah, this is standard practice around here and most of the northern midwest, most likely the differences due to climate and such... |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | 12 19 progress 
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Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | Typical pole building and they last for years. I have built many of them and how they are setting the posts is the best way. If they are concreted in they tend to rot off at the concrete line. Will fill around them they drain. The concrete cookies ( what I call them) is no different than a footer. 8inch thick at below frost level. This building will be around along time. Bart do make sure they brace the trusses internally as specified that seems to be the downfall of pole buildings. The snow load causes the truss to flex then it fails. The bracing keeps them straight and vertical when the load come on. Now get that Dodge out of the snow!!  |
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Sounds like Today ( friday ) they will be roughing in the windows, and may hang the back truss.
The lift should be here on Monday and the rest of the trusses will hopefully go up.
I see that they have the bundle of purlins marked and pre-nailed.
Looks like Christmas was a bit ambitious but New Years or shortly after is doable.
One sad note is that when the building footprint was shifter to avoid the old abandoned leach bed ( were on city sewer now ), The shift placed the main columns in the path of the electrical conduit that was trenched. Unavoidable repair to begin after the building is roofed.
With the frost as deep as it is already, I'm thinking about a torpedo heater with a downward HVAC 90 elbow to heat the ground and dig for the repair.
Better now while the ground ( once warmed ) is still somewhat loosened.
Nothing worth it ever goes easy.
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
No workers today. Crappy Wisconsin weather.
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | They just dropped off the boom for raising the trusses. The crew will be here tomorrow ( Saturday ) hoping to get all the trussed set and beat the next big snow storm this Sunday. 
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How many cars should it house including a Vehicle Lift........................ Love It..
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Location: Perth Australia | I know a lot of you live where the snow is a yearly ritual, but working in that stuf would have to suck
This garage is bigger than my house, I think if I built one like that, it would bcome my house
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Location: Oconomowoc Wi | Trusses up and purlins on. Now we wait for 8 to 12 inches of snow. 
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New Garage... FINALY !
