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daytonajim
Posted 2013-12-26 10:56 AM (#418495)
Subject: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.


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Location: Napa, California		Two weeks ago I got a 60 Plymouth 2 door hardtop roof and package tray from John at big M and started installing it on my 57 Chrysler. I have wanted to do this "custom" for a long time and at 65 I thought I better get started. Sorry for the poor pics, I'll post better shot soon. How hard was it? surprisingly, very easy. More to follow. Jim



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-12-26 11:06 AM (#418497 - in reply to #418495)
Subject: RE: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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Location: Parts Unknown		While 57-58 Chrysler-DeSoto 2HT roofs looked "appropriate" for the car, the Dodges and Plymouths
always got the racier, less formal rooflines. I can understand your interest in doing this. With the right
paint, this oughta look pretty cool.
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mopardave
Posted 2013-12-26 12:45 PM (#418514 - in reply to #418497)
Subject: RE: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.


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Location: NC		Wow! there's no mistaking the roofline and I believe that your finished product is going to be really nice!
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57burb
Posted 2013-12-26 12:49 PM (#418517 - in reply to #418497)
Subject: RE: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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Location: DFW, TX		Interesting! I'll keep tabs on your progress, I'd like to see this one come together.

Here is a '60-62 Chrysler roof on a '57.

http://public.fotki.com/Rikster/11_car_photos/customcars_i_like/cus...

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oldwood
Posted 2013-12-26 1:46 PM (#418533 - in reply to #418495)
Subject: Re: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.


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BigBlockMopar
Posted 2013-12-26 4:35 PM (#418543 - in reply to #418495)
Subject: Re: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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But if I was living in Cali I think I would've left the roof off of the car alltogether.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-12-26 5:03 PM (#418547 - in reply to #418543)
Subject: Re: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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Location: Parts Unknown		Since the 58 version of the 58 Plymouth/Dodge roof was adopted by Chrysler and DeSoto
for 1960, it makes one wonder what discussion was had in 57 about giving that roof to Plymouth/
Dodge and using the heavier, more formal roof on the Chrysler and DeSoto for what was the
beginning of 3 year styling cycle. Clearly, by observation of the Fireflite/NY'er having the big
back glass, they were angling toward the idea that a more open glass area was "upscale",
moving to adopt the Plymouth/Dodge style roof at the end of the 57-9 styling cycle. Was the
57-59 Chrysler/DeSoto roof adopted for it's more formal, closed C-pillar design as being more
design-appropriate for their more upscale, formal cars ?

I love the 60-61 Plymouth/Dodge 2HT roof, for it's slippery design, with the throw-back element
of the reversing "hook" at the C-pillar, reminiscent of the 53-54 design for those two makes.
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1960DesotoAdventurer
Posted 2013-12-27 2:33 AM (#418656 - in reply to #418495)
Subject: Re: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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Location: Plymouth Spaceport		I love the 60 Plymouth coupe roofline and can't wait to see your finished product! Maybe next you can put 1960 Plymouth fins on a 1961 Plymouth,I've wanted someone to do that "custom" for a long time.
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bigears
Posted 2013-12-27 7:55 PM (#418793 - in reply to #418495)
Subject: RE: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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daytonajim
Posted 2013-12-28 1:00 PM (#418899 - in reply to #418495)
Subject: Re: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.


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Location: Napa, California		Thanks for the interest in my project. The "Norsemen" concept car from 1956 started me down this path. Not that I'm trying to build a clone of the Norseman. but it definitely influenced my decision to do the roof swap. More pics to follow. Jim



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wizard
Posted 2013-12-28 1:14 PM (#418903 - in reply to #418495)
Subject: Re: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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58 300D
Posted 2013-12-28 1:24 PM (#418905 - in reply to #418495)
Subject: RE: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.


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Kenny J.
Posted 2013-12-28 1:36 PM (#418909 - in reply to #418899)
Subject: Re: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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daytonajim - 2013-12-28 10:00 AM

Thanks for the interest in my project. The "Norsemen" concept car from 1956 started me down this path. Not that I'm trying to build a clone of the Norseman. but it definitely influenced my decision to do the roof swap. More pics to follow. Jim


It is an awesome blend and will be a stunning show stopper when completed.

Speaking of the Norseman, the ship that collided with the Andrea Doria is still in service. It is presently named MV Azores.

K.
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Crown Cork
Posted 2014-01-16 4:08 PM (#422394 - in reply to #418495)
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Wow, it sure doesn't look that easy! Is that Tom Russell doing more custom work? He's been doing that 50 + years. He's customized alot of cars over the years. Do they still call him TT? He did my dads hot rod back in the 60's and it won 1st class at the Oakland Roadster Show. He did it all for free. If Tom is doing the work, that car is truly going to look unique. He's truly one of the greats!



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JT Vincent
Posted 2014-01-16 10:18 PM (#422458 - in reply to #418495)
Subject: Re: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA		That is super cool. Nice decisions. Can't wait to see how it comes out. Any changes to the front clip in the works?
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daytonajim
Posted 2014-01-20 8:11 PM (#423123 - in reply to #422394)
Subject: RE: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.


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Crown Cork - 2014-01-16 1:08 PM

Wow, it sure doesn't look that easy! Is that Tom Russell doing more custom work? He's been doing that 50 + years. He's customized alot of cars over the years. Do they still call him TT? He did my dads hot rod back in the 60's and it won 1st class at the Oakland Roadster Show. He did it all for free. If Tom is doing the work, that car is truly going to look unique. He's truly one of the greats!


Yes that is Tom Russell. I meet Tom thru a mutual friend a few years ago and have been going to car show with him and he's been helping me with some of my projects. I told him about the 57 Chrysler roof change I was considering and he said he liked the sound of it. So off we went to Big M and he cut the top off a 60 Plymouth with a Sawsall. The project would not be where it is or going as well as it is if it were not for Toms help and expertise. And your right, he won't take any money, only lunch at a burger stand once in a while. Pure "Hot Rodder" to his bones!
Not sure about changes to the front clip yet, maybe something conservative.
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GregCon
Posted 2014-01-20 8:25 PM (#423124 - in reply to #423123)
Subject: Re: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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daytonajim
Posted 2014-01-20 10:40 PM (#423145 - in reply to #423124)
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GregCon - 2014-01-20 5:25 PM

I trust you are not planning to fill in the quarter window with anything other than glass?


The hard board quarter window is a pattern mix of 57 Chry and 60 Ply. In 57 the joint between the side windows is vertical, in 60 the joint leans to the rear. New custom tinted glass needed.
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Mopar1
Posted 2014-01-20 11:39 PM (#423149 - in reply to #418656)
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1960DesotoAdventurer - 2013-12-27 1:33 AM

I love the 60 Plymouth coupe roofline and can't wait to see your finished product! Maybe next you can put 1960 Plymouth fins on a 1961 Plymouth,I've wanted someone to do that "custom" for a long time. :)
Maybe throw some '60 front sheet metal on it too!
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58coupe
Posted 2014-01-21 9:47 AM (#423189 - in reply to #418495)
Subject: Re: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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JT Vincent
Posted 2014-01-21 10:54 AM (#423196 - in reply to #418495)
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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA		I think that would look sweet with a 61-2 Chrysler SWB front clip.
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daytonajim
Posted 2014-01-21 12:19 PM (#423213 - in reply to #423196)
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JT Vincent - 2014-01-21 7:54 AM

I think that would look sweet with a 61-2 Chrysler SWB front clip.

I agree! Its been talked about but my "artist" relatives asked if the canted headlights would work with the vertical fins? Its not out of the question.


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GregCon
Posted 2014-01-21 1:43 PM (#423223 - in reply to #418495)
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Posted 2014-01-21 8:41 PM (#423295 - in reply to #418495)
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JT Vincent
Posted 2014-01-21 10:39 PM (#423313 - in reply to #418495)
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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA		I love the 57 Chrysler more than any car, but I think this girl needs to not just be a 57 with the 60s roof. Maybe a 60 Chrysler clip with the fender ridge blending into the door like a 62 Plymouth. Whatever the case, I dig this project.
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JT Vincent
Posted 2014-01-21 10:40 PM (#423315 - in reply to #418495)
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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA		I think it's going to look like a factory experimental.
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GregCon
Posted 2014-01-22 7:10 AM (#423334 - in reply to #418495)
Subject: Re: 60 Plymouth roof on 57 Chrysler.



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Location: Houston		Well, it's not my project, but in general my belief is the only customs which are successful are the ones that are subtle and unidentifiable. There is always a tendency that "more is more" when "less is more".

You can change the roof and if you do it well few people will know it is not meant to be that way. If you change the whole front end, the tendency is to start picking the car apart into all of it's individual pieces. You know. "It has a grille from 57 Buick. And a bumper from a 61 Olds. And taillights from a....." The goal is end up with a cool ride - not a rolling Can-You-Find-It game.

I think this project is great, I just hope it stays true to its roots.
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JT Vincent
Posted 2014-01-22 10:45 AM (#423363 - in reply to #418495)
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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA		The wonderful thing about art and creativity is that it's a subjective process. Only Jim knows what is right for his car. I like to see these things being made. Not at the expense of the purists and conservators, but in addition to the by-the-book restorations. Fixing a car up to be as it was on the showroom floor is a noble pursuit. Taking these forms and lines and going wherever you want allows one to expand, almost indefinitely, on the original designer's creative process. On this old girl, I'd personally go for broke, while trying to make it convincing to the non-expert. I still think someone should build a DeSoto 2 door sedan or some other anti-configuration that could easily pass as stock to the uninitiated. Perhaps I'll do that.
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JT Vincent
Posted 2014-01-22 11:47 AM (#423379 - in reply to #418495)
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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA		Jim, if you were going with the Norseman inspired thing... maybe some Imperial sheet metal up front?



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GregCon
Posted 2014-01-22 12:01 PM (#423381 - in reply to #423379)
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Well, some art is more successful than others. That's why a Van Gogh costs more than a Milton Feldstein. In any endeavor there are successes and 'maybe next times'.



Again, it's not my project so I am just butting in with my opinion but I guess that's why we're all here....!

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