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Posted 2014-02-02 1:17 PM (#425504)
Subject: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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I have to assemble my quarter windows, but no idea in which order I start. Because I don't disassembled the quarters. I have a new seal (could be the W134 from garygoers, not sure about)
My idea is to push the seal on the glass, and then from inside put the screen in the Quarter. The outer frame have to mount before the window comes from the inside. After the window reach the place, I have to mount the inner frame, but not tighten the srews. With a wire or cord pull the sealing lip over the rear panel.

Please let my now, if my idea is correct, wrong or I should do it in another way.

But what really I don't understand is, why is there such a big gap under the inner frame (picture 7997) ?

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grunau

Posted 2014-02-03 9:12 AM (#425627 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: RE: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Hi
First off go to the Imperial website and Download the Suburban Body Service tips booklet and check out page 19 and 20: http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Lit/Master/116/index.htm
You have the right idea with regards to installing the glass and the weatherstrip you have is pretty close to what it was originally (the outer lip was thinner originally). You will have to put sealant along the inside cavity of the weatherstrip , see the picture with the dashed line along the area where sealant is required, apply to the entire perimeter, the arrow in the picture points to the outer lip. Another thing is that the outer finish caps(outer frame) should have been on the car prior to final paint as paintable body seam sealant is used to close the gap between the cap(frame) and the body (see picture showing a partial upper cap) . The large gap at the bottom is the spot weld trough for the rear quarter along with that the width of the gap allows for the long screws used to hold the inside garnish moulding in place. Also in this lower trough a clip is installed to help retain the quarter glass, along the sides and upper portions the glass is retained by bending in the tabs that are part of the inner lip of the finish caps see pic... The inside garnish moulding is installed after the quarter glass installation is completed ... Alles Klar ?

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ToMopar

Posted 2014-02-03 5:18 PM (#425711 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Hello Grunau

the link of "Suburban Body Service tips booklet" is a great help.
The only thing, what I don't understand, why it's posted on the imperialclub-page. Anyway, great info's, takes a while to study all the booklet's.

The pictures you post, and the note you've written helps a lot. But I still don't know, why the gap is THAT big.

And where should be the connection of front and rear part sealing.

grunau

Posted 2014-02-04 8:13 PM (#425894 - in reply to #425711)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Hi
I'm glad the booklet was of some help , the Imperial club was able through its members to get the material for the Master Tech Service Conferences scanned it all helps!
The gap is there simply because that's the way the car is built...this is where the wheel house and inner panel are welded along with the upper section of the quarter panel, with the glass installed the garnish moulding covers the whole thing. I've added a few pictures showing the inner structure ..perhaps that will help in explaining why the gap is so big.
I've included a few more pictures showing the sealing areas for the glass and the outer frame(the dots show the sealing areas for the frame and sail panel, as it sounds as though the outer frame was removed for painting, usually the outer frame in installed and sealed before final paint is applied as the sealant is painted as well. The glass weatherstrip seals to the outer frame and requires a bead of sealant around the perimeter of the inside lip as I indicated in my previous answer. I hope this clears it up

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Posted 2014-02-05 5:13 PM (#426019 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Hello Grunau

you confuse me a bit more at the moment
Is on your dodge wagon the complete pillar changeable
I pointed with the orange arrow.

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Posted 2014-02-05 5:52 PM (#426029 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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I do not have such a pillar, mine is fixed at my DeSoto,
are there any differences to Plymouth or Dodge Wagons.

I know you [Grunau] have both of them, great respect
to drill the welding dot's to look under the rear quarter panel.

After study my own picture 120317_3077.jpg I've seen there are
'minor' differences on Dodge/Plymouth vs. Chrysler/DeSoto NY/Flite

Ok back to the thread's theme, how to mount the qtr-window.

I only have a selection of frame parts, like you said, I will
mount the outer frame first, with sealant. I Try to swivel the
glass with rubber seal and sealant from inner side, and now, I am
don't sure how the glass hold, if the inner frame is not complete
fixed. Or if I decide later to disassemble the inner frame again
for surface or carpet modification of inner quarter panel.

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grunau

Posted 2014-02-05 6:28 PM (#426037 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: RE: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Hi
I did not mean to confuse you..but yes the sail pillar outer cover is removable on my Dodge...I had to remove it in order to replace the rear quarters. From your first post I thought that you had removed all of the outer frame work as well, so I wanted to show you where to put sealant during assembly of the outer framework.
So with your car the sail panel may not be removable but the internal structure of the Dodge/Desoto/Chrysler station wagons are similar ...it looks as though you have the Extruded Aluminum window frames on the doors perhaps that made the difference...need to check that out as I've never had a Desoto wagon. Anyway I can see fro your pictures that its in place so that's OK , with installing the window proceed as you mentioned , the sealant will hold the glass to the outer frame along with that you bend the small tabs that are located on the outer frame inner lip inward. If you have the small spring clips use those to hold the lower edge of the glass in place. See pics

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Posted 2014-02-06 3:41 PM (#426175 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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hi Grunau,

yes, you teach me a lot to lear the structure of wagons.
And yes, my doors has the aluminium frame.
The lower part of window i understand straight after I've seen
your revised picture "retainera.jpg" with the text.
Now it make sense, I until now, I know that I missed these
small bended tabs. I try to made a pattern for example, or are these
tabs available somewhere ?

Now you've written in the revised picture "qtrwin3.jpg" that on panel of
outer frame should be a tab, to bend. But mine doesn't have this tab.
Respectively all of my outer frame parts doen't have this tab.
See picture 2014_02_06b.jpg & 1524.jpg

Hopefully you understand, why I have this problems to understand, because
on my part looks complete different, but it's good to have some
help through you

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grunau

Posted 2014-02-06 4:15 PM (#426179 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: RE: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Hi
I'm glad we got this all figured out....nice job on the clips as I know of no source for them. I learned something too and that is to never assume that full interchangeability exists on these cars. Both my Wagons were built in Windsor Ontario and in all internal aspects they are the same. You will have a very nice car when you're done! The Dodge I used for the pictures should be ready for paint by this summer. Have Fun!

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Posted 2014-02-06 4:51 PM (#426182 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Hi Grunau, yes the most we (or I) figured out. With your advice :-)
The clip I made is only for show and the picture, I think the final ones I make from stainless steel. How many of them are needed, I think 4 of them each side are ok.

Are front, rear and the upper side the bending tabs ? I think because I do not have the bending tabs, I will made instead clips for the rest as well.

grunau

Posted 2014-02-06 7:05 PM (#426195 - in reply to #426182)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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With regards to the clips; in my car there were only two per side which is adequate as the sealant on the weatherstrip does most of the retaining until the interior garnish mouldings are installed. Front , rear and upper side have the bending tabs , if you can fashion a clip that would work in place of the tabs by all means do it, that way the glass would be retained for sure until you are ready to install the interior mouldings.

MoparBrew

Posted 2014-02-19 7:56 AM (#427957 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Great post!!

If I ever get around [$$$??] to painting my wagon, this is stuff I need to know.

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Posted 2014-02-26 9:05 AM (#429037 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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it look like the upper rear corner of qtr window/frame is different, no idea if it interchangeable

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Posted 2014-02-27 10:54 AM (#429175 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Hi
I have taken apart a '57 Dodge wagon as I salvaged the stainless steel pillar mouldings and the parts look like they will fit my '58. The parts book shows interchangeability (same part numbers) between Plymouth, Dodge and Desoto FireSweep for '57... for '58-'59 the parts book shows interchangeability for all station wagons from Plymouth to Chrysler.

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Posted 2014-02-27 11:04 AM (#429176 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Hey Grunau,

I do not mean the stainless steel pillar mouldings, I mean the corner of frame (I surround by teh red line)

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Posted 2014-02-27 4:32 PM (#429208 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Hi
OK sorry I wasn't clear enough, I was telling you what I was after, as in order to get the pillar mouldings the corner and all the upper frames have to be removed....I meant that all the upper frame work looks like it should fit.

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Posted 2014-05-14 5:06 PM (#440790 - in reply to #425504)
Subject: Re: How to mount the quarter windows on 57 station wagon

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Here you all see the difference from the early versus the later type of quarter window mouldings

Late ’57 production changed over to the longer curved upper pieces (white - thanks John / BigM for assistance)
to save production costs from making two separate pieces (red)