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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-02-28 10:35 PM (#429375)
Subject: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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Finally got one and I just found out tonight. My father surprised me got my dream car. I am still in shock. It's a no back seat car! I'm still in shock so I don't have much to say right now! Full restoration is the plan. Also Joe if your reading this thank you for making my dream come true and coming all the way from Ohio! I also want to thing my father of course.

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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-02-28 11:08 PM (#429376 - in reply to #429375)
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Unloading her.



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-02-28 11:28 PM (#429380 - in reply to #429375)
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This is SO cool. Way to go ! I was searching around for that thread last week, wondering
whatever became of this car ...

So, what was the status of the rear cargo/no-seat area ?

Looking forward to seeing this hideous thing come back to life.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-02-28 11:34 PM (#429382 - in reply to #429380)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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She is 100% complete the pedestal type thing is in one of the boxes. It is completely disassembled so tomorrow will be like christmas getting in all those boxes.
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Posted 2014-02-28 11:38 PM (#429383 - in reply to #429382)
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This is terrific. Photos ! Photos !
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-02-28 11:45 PM (#429384 - in reply to #429383)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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I'll be getting tons of photos tomorrow I'll be laying out all the parts to see what is there..
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Posted 2014-03-01 12:57 AM (#429390 - in reply to #429384)
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Whaddya mean, "tomorrow" ?

Break out the lights and work the grave shift !
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Posted 2014-03-01 1:22 AM (#429393 - in reply to #429390)
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Is the "no back seat" area finished at all, in any manner, or, does it appear that a rear seat was just
removed from the car/

Gotta believe that the factory did SOMETHING to 'finish' the appearance of a 'missing' back seat.



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VAN HELSING
Posted 2014-03-01 7:07 AM (#429403 - in reply to #429375)
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Wow, nice score there, I really like these " no frills " bare bones cars

Thumbs up from me

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Posted 2014-03-01 7:20 AM (#429404 - in reply to #429375)
Subject: RE: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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Mucho de Goodo! Happy for you!

Keep us updated with your progress here with lots of photos.

Terrific, glad that car went to a good home.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-01 9:31 AM (#429408 - in reply to #429375)
Subject: RE: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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Dash was already redone!



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Posted 2014-03-01 12:13 PM (#429421 - in reply to #429375)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe


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Congratulations, Waay Cool deal... hope to see come to life...
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-01 12:48 PM (#429426 - in reply to #429375)
Subject: RE: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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I hung the fenders to see how it all fit. Can't wait to get started on the restoration I will document it on here.



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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-01 5:06 PM (#429442 - in reply to #429375)
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Back seat area of Lucy at the moment.



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mstrug
Posted 2014-03-01 8:11 PM (#429474 - in reply to #429375)
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Wow! are you going to put in that 392 Hemi? Marc.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-01 9:23 PM (#429489 - in reply to #429375)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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That is the plan! I have everything to make it a two four barrel car.
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Posted 2014-03-01 10:18 PM (#429492 - in reply to #429375)
Subject: RE: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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How can you be sure its a Business Coupe????

I can take the rear seat out of my Savoy and call it a Business Coupe. I mean how do you know??????????
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-01 10:47 PM (#429499 - in reply to #429375)
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Wasn't the none roll down rear windows business coupe only? Also the guys word he was a very honest guy.
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Posted 2014-03-02 5:22 AM (#429535 - in reply to #429375)
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Congratulations on making your dream come true!
I'm curious about that factory stock BC backseat area.
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Posted 2014-03-02 7:20 AM (#429543 - in reply to #429375)
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Yes, the non-rolling down rear windows are business coupe only.

Congratulations on the rare find. I have never seen one before. And I look forward to seeing that hemi in it.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-02 10:53 AM (#429552 - in reply to #429543)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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Thanks. I want to do a disc brake conversion has anyone been down this road before? What would be the best way to go?
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Posted 2014-03-02 9:16 PM (#429634 - in reply to #429375)
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Just to keep these two threads connected, here's the other Business Coupe discussion:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=20946&...



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Posted 2014-03-03 1:07 PM (#429694 - in reply to #429375)
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Looks like a decent car indeed.

We'll be looking forward to your progress on it!

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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-03 3:35 PM (#429710 - in reply to #429375)
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I put her up on blocks to be able to work under her easier. Still waiting to get the vin decoded.



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Posted 2014-03-04 3:33 PM (#429861 - in reply to #429710)
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Neat car! Glad to see it getting built up here on the FL site.

Any pictures yet of that backseat area and cover? I think everyone is anxious to see that.

I'm sure you saw the Photoshop I did of a "hot" version of a business coupe in the other thread. If you want it, I can send the original Photoshop file with the various layers that you can play around with.

Very nice to see it here. Keep us posted!

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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-04 7:10 PM (#429887 - in reply to #429861)
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Even though people ask me to fix there computers I have no idea how to use them so photoshop is very foreign to me haha! I posted the photo of the rear seat area early up. That car you shopped is very cool what did you use as the "base"?
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Posted 2014-03-05 9:22 AM (#429955 - in reply to #429887)
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Actually, I used two cars plus a bunch of time "fixing" the front end to get there.

http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=8508

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=834610



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Posted 2014-03-05 4:55 PM (#430005 - in reply to #429382)
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I saw the photo of the rear seat area, but...

The Chrysler Kid - 2014-02-28 10:34 PM

She is 100% complete the pedestal type thing is in one of the boxes.


^^... this is the part I'm a little anxious to see.
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Posted 2014-03-05 7:12 PM (#430019 - in reply to #429375)
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The Chrysler Kid - 2014-02-28 10:35 PM

Finally got one and I just found out tonight. My father surprised me got my dream car. I am still in shock. It's a no back seat car! I'm still in shock so I don't have much to say right now! Full restoration is the plan. Also Joe if your reading this thank you for making my dream come true and coming all the way from Ohio! I also want to thing my father of course.
Congratulations Rick, sounds like you have a great dad. You have a great looking car, looks like you will be having a great time doing the restoration. Good luck with it, & keep us posted. -Garry.
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Posted 2014-03-05 7:55 PM (#430022 - in reply to #429375)
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Congrats! Very nice choice.
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Posted 2014-03-05 9:11 PM (#430031 - in reply to #430022)
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Ah I see! Thanks for the nice comments!
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Posted 2014-03-05 9:47 PM (#430045 - in reply to #430005)
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I saw the photo of the rear seat area, but...

The Chrysler Kid - 2014-02-28 10:34 PM

She is 100% complete the pedestal type thing is in one of the boxes.


^^... this is the part I'm a little anxious to see. :cool:


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I think we all are. A stripped out back seat area looks like any other car. It was how they
constructed the seat replacement that made a business coupe special.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-06 6:50 PM (#430150 - in reply to #429375)
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I got the gas tank out today. The trunk is in very good shape as well as the tank. Also my service manual came today. Does anyone know of a good source to get a rear passenger side front quarter?



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Posted 2014-03-08 4:07 PM (#430412 - in reply to #429375)
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Lucy now has a transmission! She will be a 4 speed on the floor. Very nice knowledgable guy had it for sale. Now I am just waiting on the inner and outer rockers to arrive.



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Posted 2014-03-08 4:29 PM (#430414 - in reply to #430412)
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So, are we to assume that this car, like all the rest, had the business coupe special rear seat
area "equipment" tossed ?

Here, I was getting all excited to finally see what that stuff looked like.
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Posted 2014-03-08 4:58 PM (#430417 - in reply to #430414)
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As it turns out I assumed it had special equipment. The car just has no rear seat and fixed rear windows.
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Posted 2014-03-09 1:31 PM (#430499 - in reply to #430414)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2014-03-08 3:29 PM

Here, I was getting all excited to finally see what that stuff looked like.


It seems like a scan of a '57-59 Plymouth parts book would show how this area was finished out in a business coupe, along with part numbers. No?
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Posted 2014-03-09 1:52 PM (#430501 - in reply to #430499)
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In spite of my 58 Plaza ownership, I have yet to buy the associated books and lit. I may
already have some of it from earlier 58 Plymouth ownership or dealer stock ? But that stuff
is all boxed up and put away, so I have not looked.

A long time ago I thought owning/restoring one of these would be really neat, but the idea
of a stripper 4 door won out. The thing that makes a business coupe neat is the extreme
stripper nature of it, and that special rear seat area trim out. Without that, it's just another
two-door sedan. The fixed rear glass is not that big of a deal to me. It's ALL the details
together.

Were I to do one of these, it would be done to represent what a unique car it was with all
those quirky stripper details proudly shown off in all their underwhelming anti-glory !

What was the last year a Mopar business coupe was offered, 58 ?
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Posted 2014-03-09 5:03 PM (#430525 - in reply to #430501)
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Not exactly comfortable with all these "drag" modifications being done to a business coupe. They are nearly non existent, more so than Furies. Rare cars don't have the luxury to be modified in such a way.
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Posted 2014-03-09 11:29 PM (#430566 - in reply to #429375)
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57Kelii, I have to disagree with you. My 58 business coupe came with no engine or trans. and no interior so I will be using interior parts from another parts car I have. Also, I plan on installing a 440 and 4 speed in it. Are you one of those "purists" that demand a car be restored to original condition? Maybe you have a spare 318 and 3 speed manual just laying around you will give me.
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Posted 2014-03-10 7:55 AM (#430585 - in reply to #430566)
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Hi Rolland

Are you looking for a 3 speed gearbox ?
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-10 4:14 PM (#430642 - in reply to #429375)
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I plan on building the car how I have dreamed of having it. So it will have a hemi with 2 four barrels, a four speed on the floor, and I may even put a rear seat in the car.
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Posted 2014-03-10 5:21 PM (#430650 - in reply to #429375)
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Stand your ground Kid, that is until he offers enough money for you to by one aready built...
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Posted 2014-03-10 11:17 PM (#430689 - in reply to #429375)
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metalshop16, thanks for the offer but I plan on running a mopar 4 speed in my car. I let myself get a little irritated at 57 Kelii's comment that a business coupe should only be restored to original condition. My car was built with a 318 and manual 3 speed but that was missing when I bought the car. I actually have a 57 3 speed and 301 I could put in it if I wanted to.
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Posted 2014-03-10 11:55 PM (#430693 - in reply to #430689)
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Many years ago I stumbled on a guy who had 3-4 59 Chevy sedan deliverys and a business coupe.
Back then, I was all about hardtops, convertibles, and bling, but was aware enough to realize how
special these professional stripper cars were. His business coupe remained in rough, but original
condition and I remember thinking what a clusterschtuppe that back seat area was for any use but
a traveling salesman with the type of commodity that could be hauled that way. And even so, why
not get a 4 door so you could get at the goods ??? Still, it was really cool for being such a stripper
POS and contributed to my developing appreciation for these bottom-of-the-barrel cars.

I would hope anyone with one of these very special cars would appreciate them that way, but
realize that everyone has their own tastes. I know if I saw one at a car show, I'd walk past all the
300's and Furys to drool on the truly RARE car. As far as I know, there is not a single example of
a 57-58 Plymouth business coupe anywhere that is restored as a business coupe.
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Posted 2014-03-11 7:57 AM (#430715 - in reply to #429375)
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Just saying that some of these rare cars should be kept stock. I agree with doc. Not all cars have to be pure, but they made 49, 000 Plaza and 55, 000 Savoy post coupes. 2, 800 Business coupes were made, and none are known to survive in original condition. Think about that.


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Posted 2014-03-11 11:34 AM (#430744 - in reply to #430715)
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Given the trade-in culture that was very strong through the fin era, few people kept their cars
more than 3-5 years before the car went to the secondary market.

Now you have a stripper mobile with no back seat ! Who would want THAT ? I would bet good
money that most of those 2,800 business coupes got a back seat stuffed in them from a wrecking
yard car at this point just to market them. From that point forward, it was just another two-door
sedan (with the package shelf equipment removed). So, the chances of an original surviving had
strong odds against it from early on. Strippers did not survive well for similar reasons (not appealing
to used car buyers), but professional, special use cars enjoyed an acute onset of non-desirability
in the original-use condition.

If memory serves, 58 Plazas like mine were built to a number of some 54,000 and change. Hard
to believe, considering how few we see today compared to the sexier models, but it tells a definite
story of how that secondary market worked before fin cars gained acceptance in the collector market.

It took a queer kind of personality to love a stripper. That frugal, almost Rainman kind of Great
Depression survivor kind of person who thought "frill" was ostentatious and embarrassing, yet was
not the type of old car beater that drove them into the ground like most people were. They took an
odd pride is BEING a bare bones kind of person that we rarely see in U.S. society anymore, going to
great lengths to make that spartan mobile last forever as a matter of personal pride. The more out
of style it was the better. It made more of a statement about the frugality of the owner. We don't
grow those kind of people here anymore. Everyone wants sexy and debt, the worst nightmare of
the frugalitarian.
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Posted 2014-03-11 12:13 PM (#430752 - in reply to #429474)
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mstrug - 2014-03-01 5:11 PM

Wow! are you going to put in that 392 Hemi? Marc.


I could be wrong, but that looks like a 1956 354 to me. What is the block number?

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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-11 4:11 PM (#430776 - in reply to #429375)
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That is a 331 not a 392 sorry for confusion.
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Posted 2014-03-11 4:14 PM (#430777 - in reply to #429375)
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Nothing would be done to this car that couldn't be undone. This cars engine and transmission are long gone anyways. I'm not building it for the people at the car shows just trying to achieve the car I want to drive myself.
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