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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-05-19 2:42 PM (#441494 - in reply to #429375)
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-05-19 5:34 PM (#441506 - in reply to #429375)
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Location: Ocala, Florida		Managed to pull these off the "leg" of the door without much damage they were all on top of each other. Two of these have another two still stuck to there bottom. Trying to get one off as I can see that on the bottom is from 58!

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d500neil
Posted 2014-05-19 8:16 PM (#441532 - in reply to #441506)
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Posted 2014-05-30 12:15 PM (#443015 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-05-30 12:38 PM (#443019 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-05-30 12:44 PM (#443020 - in reply to #429375)
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-07 6:20 PM (#444133 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-06-07 6:39 PM (#444137 - in reply to #444133)
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Posted 2014-06-07 6:42 PM (#444139 - in reply to #429375)
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Location: Ocala, Florida		Something kinda scary! I opened the door and when the car jolted onto the rotisserie the vin tag just fell off!
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Posted 2014-06-08 8:58 AM (#444199 - in reply to #429375)
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Neil warned us that the VIN tags some off "scary easy" - guess he was right!

(Now he'll be impossible to live with! )

I really like your rotisserie set up! Now tell, the truth...have you ever got into a car when it was on the rotisserie and gone for a "roll" down the lane?

It's great reading about your car's progress!

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Posted 2014-06-08 9:50 AM (#444204 - in reply to #444199)
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-08 5:51 PM (#444245 - in reply to #429375)
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Location: Ocala, Florida		Thanks for the nice comments! No Fin Me! But our shop cat, Dodge, Was inside when we tipped it over! Didnt see him! At least now at this point I can say my car turns over!

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Posted 2014-06-08 10:52 PM (#444293 - in reply to #429375)
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-10 12:18 AM (#444421 - in reply to #429375)
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d500neil
Posted 2014-06-12 2:46 PM (#444844 - in reply to #429375)
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-19 7:26 PM (#445788 - in reply to #429375)
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Location: Ocala, Florida		Some progress pics. We handmade the seat supports shown. Inner rockers are in the process now. I also pressure washed the frame. I have been tied up in my little side project (a Philco Predicta).. The parts pile is getting huge. I just hope I labeled good.

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Posted 2014-06-19 7:47 PM (#445791 - in reply to #429375)
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-19 8:40 PM (#445800 - in reply to #445791)
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oldwood - 2014-06-19 7:47 PM

Now is the time to put in a Electric Swivel Seat. You are going to redo your original seat, so now is the time for a COOL upgrade.


A swivel seat!? I will trade you a broken 57 Plymouth Tail light and a half eaten snickers..

Seriously would be cool but it seems I would haft to remove the doors anyways to install one.
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Posted 2014-06-19 8:43 PM (#445801 - in reply to #445800)
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VAN HELSING
Posted 2014-06-19 9:44 PM (#445811 - in reply to #444133)
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The Chrysler Kid - 2014-06-08 10:20 AM

Body is off. Spins easy.



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I'm making a hoop rotisserie for my 59 Dodge , could I ask the diameter of your hoops Randy ? I was thinking about 10 foot for mine, would give me about a foot clearance each side on the Dodge's maximum width.

Any pro's / con 's on the hoop rotisserie, anything you would do different ?

I'm thinking about putting the hoops on some rollers so it'll also spin on the spot as well .

Cheers,

Terry.

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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-19 9:53 PM (#445812 - in reply to #445811)
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Body is off. Spins easy.



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I'm making a hoop rotisserie for my 59 Dodge , could I ask the diameter of your hoops Randy ? I was thinking about 10 foot for mine, would give me about a foot clearance each side on the Dodge's maximum width.

Any pro's / con 's on the hoop rotisserie, anything you would do different ?

I'm thinking about putting the hoops on some rollers so it'll also spin on the spot as well .

Cheers,

Terry.

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Its 90 inches. Its easier as one man by themselves can turn it. I highly recommend it. D-500 Neil I am not on this one. We have a local station the antennae picks up that plays all the 1950s sitcoms. So I just think its cool to have all original. Its a princess model. I inquired on the color reproductions to have as a regular television but they discontinued them.
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Posted 2014-06-20 12:19 PM (#445866 - in reply to #429375)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe


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Location: little rock, AR		I don't believe there is a problem installing a swivel in any of our FL cars, but I'm sure others would know for sure. It was just a thought since your doing a major restoration.

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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-20 1:22 PM (#445869 - in reply to #445866)
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Location: Ocala, Florida		Thank you. But the plan for this car is the ultimate restored stripper. Heater delete, radio delete, blackwalls and body color wheels, it wont even have a rear seat.
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Posted 2014-06-20 2:20 PM (#445872 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-06-20 2:36 PM (#445874 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-06-20 5:49 PM (#445901 - in reply to #429375)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-06-21 12:17 PM (#445971 - in reply to #445869)
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The Chrysler Kid - 2014-06-21 10:22 AM

Thank you. But the plan for this car is the ultimate restored stripper. Heater delete, radio delete, blackwalls and body color wheels, it wont even have a rear seat. :)


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I am glad to hear you say this. Will you go with an original engine, or is the 331 still the plan ?

I recently stumbled on this car in a parking lot, and although a TOTALLY different type of car, it
is SO refreshing to see one that IS NOT painted brilliant yellow, green, or red, with a big hood scoop,
stupid wheels and oversized tires, and runs on a 502 crate engine. Just a quietly modest original
car that screams louder than any of that ridiculous overdosed bling to anyone with a little taste.





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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-21 12:57 PM (#445982 - in reply to #445971)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2014-06-21 12:17 PM

The Chrysler Kid - 2014-06-21 10:22 AM

Thank you. But the plan for this car is the ultimate restored stripper. Heater delete, radio delete, blackwalls and body color wheels, it wont even have a rear seat. :)


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I am glad to hear you say this. Will you go with an original engine, or is the 331 still the plan ?

I recently stumbled on this car in a parking lot, and although a TOTALLY different type of car, it
is SO refreshing to see one that IS NOT painted brilliant yellow, green, or red, with a big hood scoop,
stupid wheels and oversized tires, and runs on a 502 crate engine. Just a quietly modest original
car that screams louder than any of that ridiculous overdosed bling to anyone with a little taste.




That is this first photo of a Camero I have ever seen with its factory wheels and colors. At this time it will either be the 331 or a 57 Dodge 325. The original engine in this car was removed by the previous owner. However when the good is closed it will look 100% factory. Even found factory correct seat material. Still thinking how to do the rear seat area without it looking odd so to say. I guess I'll make some type of floor shelf. All that came with the car when I got it regarding to the no rear seat is a curtain that covered the hole.

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Posted 2014-06-21 4:31 PM (#445997 - in reply to #445982)
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What was your OEM engine type ?

The one and only, never disturbed, original business coupe I ever saw was a 59 Chevy and it
had a flat "shelf" thing built just high enough to clear the hump. I *think* it was steel construction,
but stuff like this was often plywood from the factory. It had a rubber mat material over it, if
memory serves, but I am getting a little fuzzy on that. I am pretty sure the "curtain" back was
the same typical non-corrugated cardboard Detroit used a lot at the time for rear glass package
shelf liners and painted to match.

SMS has your seat material, as well as door panels. I got mine from them and they are beautiful.

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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-21 5:58 PM (#445998 - in reply to #445997)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2014-06-21 4:31 PM

And so far, you've seen, what .... 9,152 Cameros, right ? Pretty amazing, isn't it ? !!!

What was your OEM engine type ?

The one and only, never disturbed, original business coupe I ever saw was a 59 Chevy and it
had a flat "shelf" thing built just high enough to clear the hump. I *think* it was steel construction,
but stuff like this was often plywood from the factory. It had a rubber mat material over it, if
memory serves, but I am getting a little fuzzy on that. I am pretty sure the "curtain" back was
the same typical non-corrugated cardboard Detroit used a lot at the time for rear glass package
shelf liners and painted to match.

SMS has your seat material, as well as door panels. I got mine from them and they are beautiful.



Originally this was a 6 cylinder car with three speed manual. Thank you for that description. I figure I can make up something that looks factory. Ill look into them!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-06-21 6:35 PM (#446003 - in reply to #445998)
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Location: Parts Unknown		The car that inspired me to ultimately hunt down and restore a Plaza was a same color, monotone
Misty Green sixer with a 3-speed manual than had been modified with an early 60's aftermarket floor
shifter. My head was in a very different space back then, and rather than try to buy the car or save
all the stripper detail parts, the only thing I picked off it (wrecking yard car) was the shifter.

I would prefer to not drive a stock 3-speed tranny, as it has no synchro to first, making any sort
of heavy traffic driving a pain, but I would nix the idea completely if I were stuck with a column
shift. Just do not like driving them !

But some here have expressed that the little six banger can do alright and be fun to drive. I have
no experience with them though. Part of that "head in a very different place" thing ....


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58coupe
Posted 2014-06-21 9:47 PM (#446015 - in reply to #429375)
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-21 9:52 PM (#446016 - in reply to #429375)
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Location: Ocala, Florida		This is getting a "period" 4 speed on the floor. I want it to look almost all like a business mans car but still be fun to drive. Hopefully there will be two biz coupes without backseats still around than.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-06-22 2:13 AM (#446034 - in reply to #446016)
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Location: Parts Unknown		I will use the 1960 floor shifter, coupled to a modern 5-speed (to create a 4-speed w/ OD)
to get that period appearance in the cab on the DeSoto. I own an A-833 shifted 66 Coronet
and it is no smooth operator, even being as "modern" as it is.

I want that manual tranny, but will have to sacrifice a little authenticity to make it what I want,
... so I "get" what you are saying. The Plaza, being SO unmolested and original, will only have
a couple minor mods done to it. O/W, it will be bone stock.
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Posted 2014-06-22 10:02 AM (#446059 - in reply to #429375)
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Location: Alaska		Mine will also have a 4 speed in it but I am using the overdrive version of the 833. I cannot verify but I believe my car was used for racing, the interior was stripped, holes in the floor for a shifter, aftermarket steering wheel.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-06-22 1:39 PM (#446083 - in reply to #446059)
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your gears. I am unfamiliar with current offerings, such as Richmond Gears and Tremec,
but it is my hope that they shift more smoothly like a modern car. For the kind of money
they are asking, they should !
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-22 1:51 PM (#446086 - in reply to #446083)
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Location: Ocala, Florida		Seems it would make since to by the cheapest two door available for a race car. Very cool Doc Desoto! Can't wait to see a Fireflite convertible with that! Did Desotos have a delete plate for the push buttons? I just realized I have never seen a 57-58 Desoto that was three speed on the column.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-22 1:52 PM (#446087 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-06-22 2:41 PM (#446098 - in reply to #446086)
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Seems it would make since to by the cheapest two door available for a race car. Very cool Doc Desoto! Can't wait to see a Fireflite convertible with that! Did Desotos have a delete plate for the push buttons? I just realized I have never seen a 57-58 Desoto that was three speed on the column.


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Most race cars fell into such a life by default as 10-year-old beaters. I would not read
much into the race car bit without someone actually saying "This car was bought new to
be specifically used as a racer".

Yes, DeSoto had a block off plate, done in a matching material to the instrument cluster
background.

Even when new, VERY few DeSotos were ordered up with a manual .... even the Dodge/
Firesweep el cheapos. One of my "regret" cars was passing on a rustbucket 57 Firedome
ragtop with stick. What a weirdo that was ! I have prolly only seen 3-4 stick DeSotos in my
life (57-58, that is) and I have not seen one in at least 20 years. I imagine they all got crushed
or parted. No one wanted el cheapo / strippers until 5 years ago.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-22 3:13 PM (#446102 - in reply to #446098)
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Location: Ocala, Florida		Now I have seen a 59 Firedome four door sedan with a three on the tree. Makes you wonder why someone would by an option less big body Desoto convertible. I guess they just had to have one..
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Posted 2014-06-22 3:55 PM (#446110 - in reply to #446102)
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It had no sweep, just the straight bar of side trim, with a base 341 2bbl and the stick. It was truly FUBAR
in every regard. The body was collapsing over the frame, the interior had been open to the elements
for decades in PA. It was a mess !

But there it was ! Ready for some overzealous fool to fling themselves headlong into a money pit. But
boy, was it cool. Wish I had realized how cool at the time. Asking price was $1000.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-22 4:01 PM (#446112 - in reply to #446110)
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Posted 2014-06-22 7:29 PM (#446140 - in reply to #446112)
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about 1 - 1.5K. Before that, it was difficult to find them because the entire "hobby" was "Chevy-centric"
and they just weren't being passed over by everyone as not worth the time to haul out and offer for sale.

I paid $500 for my 58 Adventurer ragtop. $1500 each for a pair of 58 Firesweeps. Passed on twice that
many that were too far gone or missing key parts.

We all know what happened by the mid-90's, and it's only gotten worse since.

Guys on this site used to bellyache about how "unappreciated" Forward Looks were, joyfully praising the
work of Barrett-Jackson in "bringing values up". Well, that sword cuts both ways, and now many guys who
are only into these for their love of the cars are priced right out of the game. On the upside, it caused an
unintended backlash of interest in sedans, wagons, and stripper models that before were only considered
parts cars for the sexier models.
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Posted 2014-06-22 10:13 PM (#446188 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-06-23 7:05 PM (#446299 - in reply to #429375)
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-23 7:28 PM (#446305 - in reply to #429375)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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Location: Ocala, Florida		That's exactly what I was gonna do! Thanks!


Today I learned two things about my car..

1. It was parked in 1963 for the broken leaf spring. They never did anything with it because it was just a used car when they put it in the barn.
2. This wasn't the original owners main car. He bought for the "sole" purpose of use for his business. He was a shoe salesman.
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d500neil
Posted 2014-06-23 7:57 PM (#446308 - in reply to #446305)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

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Location: bishop, ca		And, what did he do without a back seat in the car?

Bright-shiny (gloss-black painted) Herculiner should look like the above, and, even if the rear of your car's interior is left "unfinished/as-built",
it will look good .





Edited by d500neil 2014-06-23 8:26 PM
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-23 8:23 PM (#446315 - in reply to #429375)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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Location: Ocala, Florida		I assume it was just used as storage. Maybe it was just cheaper. Maybe there were more than one for his business? I dont know. Im going to try and replicate what Doctor Desoto described with the "shelf" if I can manage. If not it will be left as it came with just no back seat. Thanks. I appreciate the tips.
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58coupe
Posted 2014-06-24 9:53 AM (#446396 - in reply to #429375)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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Location: Alaska		Doc, you are right, I don't think my business coupe was "ordered" as a racer even though it came with a V-8 3 speed and everything else deleted. I think it "became" a racer because someone even torched the front motor mounts off the cross member when they were done with it. Who does that? It also has 2 holes cut in the trans. tunnel as if for 2 different types of shifters. Hey Kid, I don't remember, did yours have a back seat or not?
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-06-24 10:25 AM (#446406 - in reply to #446396)
Subject: Re: 1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe



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Location: Ocala, Florida		No back seat in mine. If had one its long gone now.
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