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Adventurer 60
Posted 2014-04-13 11:10 AM (#435814)
Subject: Where to find freeze plugs to 413



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Where to find old school lence-type expansion plugs to 413 engine and heads?
Cup stule plugs just do no work. Searched internet but was unable ot find any set
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60 dart
Posted 2014-04-13 2:01 PM (#435845 - in reply to #435814)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413



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are you meaning , saucer style . are they 1 5/8" . if not , what size is the hole------------------------------------------------later
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Adventurer 60
Posted 2014-04-14 5:39 AM (#435946 - in reply to #435814)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413



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Yep, 1 5/8 (heads) and 1 3/8 (block) if I remember correct.
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60 Imp
Posted 2014-04-14 7:36 AM (#435954 - in reply to #435946)
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Jari, 1 5/8 (6 off in the block). Don't accept anything less than the Hot Hemi Heads stainless steel plugs. I have installed the original type (convex disc type) in my engine and will pull them out and install the HHH plugs at some point.

The heads have 1 3/8 disc type plugs (4 off).

Here is the HHH block plugs.
http://www.hothemiheads.com/main_caps/freeze_plugs_stainless.html

If you want to use the original style, this English company supplied the ones in my engine currently' The plugs supplied are about .015" thicker than the originals I pulled out, so are probably good plugs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Freez-Dish-Core-Plug-41-28mm-1-5-8-42mm-44-...


here is an ebay source for the head plugs.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171287098954?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trks...

here is one part of my story with the old disc type plug malady, still to be finalised.
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=51710&...

Steve.
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Posted 2014-04-14 3:58 PM (#436026 - in reply to #435814)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413



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Thanks Steve for the info!
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60 dart
Posted 2014-04-14 4:44 PM (#436036 - in reply to #435814)
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tail fin , the biggest thing in replacing the saucer ones is , don't be afraid of them , peen them in real good , all even . if you do , they won't leak or blow out -----------------------------------later
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Direwolfe
Posted 2017-10-22 11:03 AM (#550788 - in reply to #435814)
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I resurrect this thread because I have a related question. I'm looking for the plug that goes behind the camshaft. The engine shop tells me that this has a stepped bore like the block freeze plugs and thus needs a disc type plug. I believe the bore size is 2 9/64 like the later cup style bores. Anyone know a source? Thanks.
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Direwolfe
Posted 2017-10-22 11:04 AM (#550789 - in reply to #435814)
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Oh, this is for a '61 413.
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mstrug
Posted 2017-10-22 11:37 AM (#550793 - in reply to #435814)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413



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https://www.summitracing.com/search/make/chrysler/engine-family/mopa...
413/department/engines-components/section/engine-blocks-accessories?N=4294951332%2B4294951315%2B4294931311%2B4294949512%2B4294949475&SortBy=Default&So
931311%2B4294949512%2B4294949475&SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending


https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-555-065/overview/make/chrysle...

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpe-114br/overview/make/chrys...


http://www.jegs.com/i/Mopar-Performance/312/P5249708/10002/-1


http://store.440source.com/Engine-Block-Hardware/products/38/

http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Engine/freeze.htm

Edited by mstrug 2017-10-22 11:44 AM
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Direwolfe
Posted 2017-10-22 12:54 PM (#550800 - in reply to #550793)
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The block has stepped bores so a cup style won't work. Machinist says we need the Welch style disc. Every place advertises their cupped plugs as fitting early 413's but it ain't so.

Edited by Direwolfe 2017-10-22 12:58 PM
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wayfarer
Posted 2017-10-24 11:03 AM (#550938 - in reply to #435814)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413



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Everything that you need to know about core plugs is here:
https://www.seastrom-mfg.com/subcategories.aspx?pl=Expansion+Plu...
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Direwolfe
Posted 2017-10-25 2:46 PM (#551027 - in reply to #435814)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413


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The sides of the block are 1 5/8". I thought the bore for the cam plug was the same diameter as the later RB blocks but couldn't find a 2 9/64 concave disc. Looking up the Chrysler part number for the early 413 plug and cross referencing for equivalents seems a 2 1/8 Welch plug will fit the early 413's as well as some late 50's Chrysler v-8's. Thanks.
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57chizler
Posted 2017-10-26 2:08 PM (#551093 - in reply to #551027)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413



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Do yourself a favor and install them correctly, not the old "ball peen hammer 'em in" way.

http://hubbardspring.com/install_reco.php?cid=45
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mstrug
Posted 2017-10-26 4:33 PM (#551109 - in reply to #435814)
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https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-555-076

Dorman 555-076

Steel Cup Expansion Plug 2-9/64 In. SC, Height 0.350

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-555-065

Dorman 555-065

steel Cup Expansion Plug 2-9/64 In., Height 0.432

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mstrug
Posted 2017-10-26 4:45 PM (#551112 - in reply to #435814)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413



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https://www.morris4x4center.com/plug-camshaft-2-9-64-diam-4-2l-258-5...

http://www.enginemaster.com.au/pioneer-rear-cam-plug-2-9-64-piepc-8...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/54-4mm-2-9-64-034-2-14-034-Steel-Freeze-Exp...

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/dorman-autograde-3358/engine-part...

http://freezeplugfactory.com/expansion-plug-size-chart/

https://www.dormanproducts.com/c-250-cup-type-expansion-plugs.aspx

https://www.dormanhdsolutions.com/p-303-555-065.aspx

https://www.lawsonproducts.com/lawson/Expansion-Plug/84088.lp


I couldn't find any either.


Edited by mstrug 2017-10-26 6:08 PM
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1960fury
Posted 2017-10-26 5:52 PM (#551117 - in reply to #435814)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413



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whats wrong with the mopar performance plug set posted by mark?
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Direwolfe
Posted 2017-10-31 10:31 AM (#551394 - in reply to #551117)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413


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Nothing is wrong with it if you have a later 413/383 or 440 without a stepped bore. With the early stepped bore a cup style won't work. The diameter can be OK but its length is insufficient to properly seat it. These stepped bores were designed for the concave disc style plugs.
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Direwolfe
Posted 2017-10-31 10:40 AM (#551396 - in reply to #551394)
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https://static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/6AJU1_AS01?$mdmai...

Should be an image of a concave disc plug as opposed to a cupped plug.
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Billohio
Posted 2021-08-29 8:09 PM (#614600 - in reply to #435814)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413


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I was looking for a cam plug for the back of my 413 and found summit racing has these in steel. Its a melling part and melling number mep-44
I am going to order one and will report back. Kind of tough to find seperately
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57chizler
Posted 2021-08-30 1:05 PM (#614606 - in reply to #614600)
Subject: Re: Where to find freeze plugs to 413



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I think you'll find that Summit's minimum shipping price is many times the part cost.

For just one, look here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202804923194
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Billohio
Posted 2021-08-30 8:40 PM (#614610 - in reply to #435814)
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I have more stuff to order than just one plug
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