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57windycoupe
Posted 2014-04-23 1:06 PM (#437411)
Subject: steering box



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Looking to replace the power steering gearbox in a 62 New Yorker, I see the 65-72 mopar suspension and steering parts/components are readily available from multiple vendors. Question is what's the difference between the 61-65 and then 65-72 k-frame and suspension/steering pieces? Also wondering if I can use any late 60s early 70s mopar steering box? Are they specific to the certain body codes? All the vendors list their C-body parts starting 1965. Will b, a or e body steering box with stock 1962 pitman arm work together correctly? Any other suggestions? Don't care if it's mopar or not. I'm trying not to spend the $400 to $800 the vendors want for a new or rebuilt unit.

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d500neil
Posted 2014-04-23 6:08 PM (#437452 - in reply to #437411)
Subject: Re: steering box



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I'd think that any 'used' P/S gear box would need an overhaul.

Once O/H'ed, you should be able to install it and forget about its expense, while enjoying its operation and reliability.

That's what happened with the wrecking yard P/S gearbox that I bought and sent to Lares Corp for an O/H.

Since then, no problems at all with the car's steering system, so, that work ended up being cheap.

That was a long time ago, and it's $600 cost/expense has (not-) been forgotten.


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57windycoupe
Posted 2014-04-23 7:06 PM (#437456 - in reply to #437411)
Subject: Re: steering box



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Do the gears go bad or just seals and bearings? Where can I get a kit to overhaul it? Does the 62 Chrysler use the same gearbox as the 65+ C-body? All info is appreciated
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miquelonbrad
Posted 2014-04-23 9:03 PM (#437501 - in reply to #437411)
Subject: Re: steering box



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Just remember that buying a different, but cheaper box will usually eat up any savings you made, in time and parts trying to adapt the unit to fit into your car properly. I went through this with a truck once...never again!
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d500neil
Posted 2014-04-24 12:59 AM (#437529 - in reply to #437501)
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Mostly(?) its the seals that go out, causing it to leak badly.

Best to take the bull by the tail, and face the situation...and send the gear box out for a proper colonoscopy....by a pro shop.




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JT Vincent
Posted 2014-04-24 11:04 AM (#437579 - in reply to #437411)
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Neil makes sense if you're looking to use your old box. What is wrong with it? The "Constant Control" type units for your 62 NYer were used from 58-66 and were gradually phased out phased out over the years, (with Imperial being the only holdout after 1964) are not known for problems as they are rock-solid heavy duty MoPar generation 3 power steering. Gen 1: Hydraguide, Gen 2: Coaxial, Gen 3: Constant Control. Their main weakness is seals, as is true of any hydraulic device that is worn and/or aging. If yours is just leaking, it's not crazy expensive to have the seals replaced and then to properly adjust the lash However-- some people looking for a quick fix for sloppy steering over tighten the adjustment bolt. This will pretty much ruin your box over time, and can be super dangerous because it can lock up.

These are not expensive used, and contrary to some people's opinions, are fairly straightforward to change.

To replace your box, use one from the following makes and models.

Years: 1958; 1959; 1960; 1961; 1962; 1963; 1964; 1965; 1966 [see below]
Engines:All
Model Fitment:
Chrysler: New Yorker; Saratoga; Windsor; Chrysler 300D; 300E; 300F; 300G; 300H; 300J; 300K; Newport; 1958; 1959; 1960; 1961; 1962; 1963; 1964
DeSoto: Firedome; Fireflite; Firesweep; Adventurer; 1958; 1959; 1960; 1961
Dodge:Royal; Custom Royal; Coronet; D-500; Royal Lancer; 1958; 1959 Dart Pioneer; Dart Seneca; Dart Phoenix; Matador; Polara; Polara 500; 1960; 1961 Dodge 880; 1962; 1963; 1964
Imperial: Crown; LeBaron; Southampton; 1958; 1959; 1960; 1961; 1962; 1963; 1964; 1965; 1966
Plymouth: Savoy; Belvedere; Plaza; Fury; 1958; 1959; 1960; 1961
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StillOutThere
Posted 2014-04-24 7:48 PM (#437654 - in reply to #437411)
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I have my original Forward Look power steering boxes rebuilt by Steer and Gear of Ohio and upgrade to the "firm feel" or extra firm option they offer. Have had total satisfaction with each one and never a drop of fluid since rebuild.
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grunau
Posted 2014-04-24 10:37 PM (#437690 - in reply to #437654)
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'62 Chrysler you can only use up to '64 housing/mounting changed in '65
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JT Vincent
Posted 2014-04-25 1:49 PM (#437801 - in reply to #437411)
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Is that true even on the Imp?
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d500neil
Posted 2014-04-25 6:37 PM (#437854 - in reply to #437801)
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And if you go with Lares Corp., their 'standard' steering feel-adjustment is fine.




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GregCon
Posted 2014-04-26 11:33 PM (#438056 - in reply to #437411)
Subject: Re: steering box



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I'm getting lost here....I don't understand the 58-66 distinction. I don't see any difference in steering boxes from '58 all the through the 80's other than the mentioned mounting change in 65 and perhaps some tuning.

I had my '58 box rebuilt by Firm Feel and they told me, after I had sent it to them, "No problem, it's just like all the other boxes.' So what's the difference after 66 that I am unaware of?

BTW Firm Feel did a great job and was less $$$ than Steer and Gear.
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grunau
Posted 2014-04-27 11:17 AM (#438106 - in reply to #438056)
Subject: Re: steering box


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Ok ...the 58 to '64 steering boxes mount to the inside of the frame rail using through bolts , the steering box body has the mounting face paralell to the frame face and a "wedge" in between the frame and the box for alignment , starting in '65 the box mounts to a flat face plate on the front cross member , no wedges or shims just three bolts in a triangular configuration. So...the casting was changed , internally things are very similar. The '65 box also does not have the long collar at the worm shaft end for the steering column tube to clamp to.
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