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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-04-23 8:22 PM (#437485)
Subject: 1961 fury decode


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Will you please decode these # 325133252557p2
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d500neil
Posted 2014-04-24 1:03 AM (#437531 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode



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Steph, can you post up a pic of your new ride's P/T plate?

And, have you looked up/behind the glove box and/or under the rear seat's bottom, to see if its Broadcast
Sheet might be located there?





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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-04-24 10:23 AM (#437569 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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No I have not found 1 the seat have been recovered and they are sill wrapped up in plastic. I will take a photo of the P/T plate later when I get up. I just got off of work. I worked the grave yard shift
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-04-24 10:23 AM (#437570 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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No I have not found 1 the seat have been recovered and they are sill wrapped up in plastic. I will take a photo of the P/T plate later when I get up. I just got off of work. I worked the grave yard shift
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d500neil
Posted 2014-04-24 5:16 PM (#437622 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: RE: 1961 fury decode



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Have you popped-off the rear seat bottom?



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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-04-24 5:53 PM (#437628 - in reply to #437622)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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no. I but these here is the plate with the #s on it.
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-04-24 5:53 PM (#437629 - in reply to #437622)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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no. I but these here is the plate with the #s on it. 08301072332525vp2 or it could be t

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d500neil
Posted 2014-04-24 8:25 PM (#437661 - in reply to #437629)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode



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If the end-number codes are similar to Dodge, your car may be coded for the TorqueFlite transmission, has undercoating, and was delivered
by Truck to its selling dealership.

"P" paint code is Carnival Red; is there any second color (trim) on your car?

No "W" code, indicating Alpine White, unless that's what the final "2"(?) confirms...PP2....OR:

....is your PNT code : "WP2".....that would make sense for a white roof and red body.

The TRM is 525, which is probably the red/black scheme.

The car's Scheduled Build Date may be 8/30....which would make it a VERY late-built 1961 model, which is what your VIN appears to vonfirm.

Dunno what the ending VIN may have been for the 61's; that number should appear in several '1961' publications.









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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-04-24 10:42 PM (#437691 - in reply to #437661)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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Thank You
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Chrycoman
Posted 2014-04-25 10:09 AM (#437760 - in reply to #437691)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode



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What VIN? Do not see any VIN in the previous posts.

And the final VIN would depend upon which plant it was built - Lynch Road (Detroit), Los Angeles, Newark or St.Louis. The Lynch Road plant built nothing but Plymouths while the rest built Plymouths, Darts, Valiants and Lancers.

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d500neil
Posted 2014-04-25 6:52 PM (#437858 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode



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And that's a seat BACK; not a seat bottom.

So, 1960+ Broadcast Sheets can be found under EITHER rear seat cushion.



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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-05-10 2:38 PM (#440176 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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I got a decode sheet for my '61 fury
3 8cyl
2 fury 2 bll carb
5 The car was assembled in St Lous, MO
1072 car ordered 0830 the scheduled build date was 0830 so this could be an early '61
332 drht
525 red
wp2 red with white top
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Chrycoman
Posted 2014-05-10 11:29 PM (#440248 - in reply to #440176)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode



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1961plymouthfury - 2014-05-10 2:38 PM

I got a decode sheet for my '61 fury
3 8cyl
2 fury 2 bll carb
5 The car was assembled in St Lous, MO
1072 car ordered 0830 the scheduled build date was 0830 so this could be an early '61
332 drht
525 red
wp2 red with white top


The 3 2 5 1 are for options on the car, and none identify the car line, series/body style or assembly plant. Fury was a 3 in the series codes and the Los Angeles plant used 5.

As your car has a 2-bbl carb, the engine is a 318 and the code for the standard engine was not placed on the body tag. Torqueflite would have been 3 (283) while Powerflite was 2 (282).

Your car has a heater which is what the "5" is for as the heater/defroster code was 315 in 1961.

BDY : 332 :
3 - Plymouth V8
3 - Fury
2 - 2dr hardtop
This is the only spot on the tag where the car line, series and body style appears.

The VIN on your car is the only other place that would give the car line and series, plus the model year and assembly plant. Your car's VIN starts with -
3 - Plymouth V8
3 - Fury (non-wagon models)
1 - 1961 model year
x - assembly plant, where 1 is for Lynch Road, Detroit, 5 is Los Angeles, CA, 6 is Newark, DE and 7 is St. Louis. MO

And 0830 would be very early in the model year - within the first month.

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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-05-11 3:34 AM (#440261 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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Thank you then it was an early model my other was built in July of 1961. I wonder how I can trace the history on my current 1 . I would like to know were it sold when it was brand new and how many owners it had
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rockerarm
Posted 2014-05-11 12:14 PM (#440294 - in reply to #440261)
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1961plymouthfury - 2014-05-11 3:34 AM Thank you then it was an early model my other was built in July of 1961. I wonder how I can trace the history on my current 1 . I would like to know were it sold when it was brand new and how many owners it had

Steph, for a fee of $45.00 Chrysler historical will send you a copy of the IBM card for your car, as well as a breakdown of it. Including where the car was delivered to when new.

I have all this info for my 61 Fury convertible and it was well worth the fee.





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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-05-12 2:30 AM (#440413 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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Thanks Will I will look into that
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-06-25 1:15 PM (#446598 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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I got my seats uncovered and installed but I did not find a build sheet. I was also wondering if my car came with a radio because there is no holes in the front or rear fenders for the antenna. It could be 1 of those hi fy radios were an antenna is not needed. I am thinking either converting my original radio or putting a pioneer am/fm CD player in the glove box
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d500neil
Posted 2014-06-25 3:58 PM (#446627 - in reply to #446598)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode



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Steph, the IBM build card will confirm your car's radio status, and, all of its other options and accessories.

Bummer about no Broadcast Sheet; you checked up/behind the glove box, too?

There's always a (remote) chance that the B.-Sheet will be found lying on the floor pan, underneath the OEM carpeting.

There is a good (but not 'always') chance that the factory will have a record of your car's selling dealership.

If you, somehow, know the car's original license plate number, or owner, you could write to that state's DMV and ask them if
they still have any ownership-records on that car.

In some states, a license plate stays 'on' the car; in others it is chattel, and stays with its owner, from car-to-car.

It's unlikely that that DMV will have any cross-reference to your car's VIN.

But, you can (should be able to) find your car's previous owner and try to back-track through him the car's ownership.

Otherwise, you are SOL...and your car is merely considered to be an adopted-orphaned vehicle.

Not bragging (much), but my car's original owners' photo was found, lodged behind the dash...maybe as a sort of Time Capsule?????



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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-06-25 9:25 PM (#446679 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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I was told I could go the the chrysler history and that will get me the 411 about the car. The car is up on jacks now I had to take my drive shaft to have it machine shopped. My dad and I discovered a crack in the boot. I got the replacement boot and it will be put on tomorrow some time and picked up tomorrow or the next day. My dad knows the owner of the shop
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d500neil
Posted 2014-07-22 6:16 PM (#450084 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode



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Steph, if your car looks like it has an OEM radio block-off 'plate' installed in its dashboard, you can be pretty sure that your car was
built without an (optional equipment) radio.



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d500neil
Posted 2014-07-22 6:33 PM (#450086 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: RE: 1961 fury decode



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In Re: Bill's comment, above; dunno when the 1961 Plymouth production began, but in LATE August 1957......1957-model cars were still being built, so that a "8/30" build date (for 1957 Dodges, at any rate)...is of LATE production, not "early next-year" production.

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Chrycoman
Posted 2014-07-23 2:09 AM (#450149 - in reply to #450086)
Subject: RE: 1961 fury decode



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d500neil - 2014-07-22 6:33 PM


In Re: Bill's comment, above; dunno when the 1961 Plymouth production began, but in LATE August 1957......1957-model cars were still being built, so that a "8/30" build date (for 1957 Dodges, at any rate)...is of LATE production, not "early next-year" production.



There is no magical date when cars of a model year come to an end and another year begins, just as there is no law that states a model year begins on date A and ends on date Z. And that includes August 1.

The 1957 models were late getting into production due to the late beginning of the design cycle - fall of 1954. Which of course meant the 1958 models would also be late for production. Thus the 1957 models went into production in September, 1956, and were built through to late August, 1957. The 1958 model year also ran into August (1958), but the 1959 model year ended in July, 1959.

The 1960 models (except the Valiant) went into production in late August, 1959, and ended production mid-August, 1960. 1961 models went into production in late August, 1960, and, as 1961 was not a good year, the 1961 model year came to an end the last week of July, 1961, in the U.S. and June in Canada. The assembly plants sat idle for three weeks before production began on the 1962 models.

Just to show how screwy model years can be, Chrysler declared that on December 1, 1948, starting at serial number XX,XXX,XXX for make P, etc., all 1948 cars built in the U.S. were now 1949 models. No changes whatsoever to the cars - it was just at the serial number stated for each make/series the 1949 model year began. These 1st series 1949 models were built through to around the end of January, 1949, and the "real" 1949 models went into production in early February. The 1950 model year began in December, 1949.

In Canada 1948 production continued to the end of December, 1948, and the assembly plant sat idle into February, 1949 when the true 1949 models went into production at that time. No "1st series 1949" models in Canada.
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d500neil
Posted 2014-07-23 3:20 AM (#450153 - in reply to #450149)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode



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So, it will be interesting to see whether the CHS records show Steph's car as being of early or late production (notwithstanding seeing the car's
VIN information, beforehand, that is!)....



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d500neil
Posted 2014-07-23 12:45 PM (#450198 - in reply to #450153)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode



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Put this question out on our website's Daily List Server...(a separate e-mail only adjunct to this website (for people who do not, necessarily,
want to post messages on the website), and got this response:

Neil,

My father was a Chrysler Plymouth dealer in northern Wisconsin, in partnership with his brother/my uncle. Their dealership was approved by Chrysler in June 1960, but that was too late for receiving any 1960 models since late June was the end of the 1960 production. Chrysler Corp used July to retool and begin receiving parts for the 1961 model year. By sometime in August, production began for the 1961 model year, but shipments to dealers did not begin until September. The first 1961 models were received around September 15, 1960 and the national announcement of the new models to the public was around September 25th. I was a senior in high school at this time and remember all of this quite distinctly!!

Best regards, Jim





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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-08-12 2:06 PM (#452635 - in reply to #437485)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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I was in formed my '61 fury was assembled in 1960. Since there was no hole for the antenna I figured it came with out a radio or with 1 of those hi fi antenna less radios. The chrysler history will have that 411.
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2014-08-12 2:08 PM (#452636 - in reply to #450084)
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There was no block plate were the radio is I did not see 1 when the car arrived
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2015-09-09 2:29 PM (#489326 - in reply to #437661)
Subject: Re: 1961 fury decode


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With the decoding is there a way I can find out of my car came with no radio or a hi fy radio there is no antenna on the car. I am sure the history department of Chrysler museum can tell me this .
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ABloch
Posted 2015-09-09 5:57 PM (#489340 - in reply to #437485)
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'61's didn't have a cover plate. The aluminum dash trim was solid all the way across. My car had no radio from the factory and a hole was cut to fit one. In addition there was no hole for the antenna on the fender so they unfortunately drilled through the cowl to get the cable to the radio. Look closely at your dash to see if it was cut to fit a radio or factory stamped to accommodate one.
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2015-09-10 5:16 AM (#489367 - in reply to #437485)
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I have 2 am radios for a 1961 fury 1 was lubricated an tuned by a retired electrician . The 1 in the dash does not work but I plan to have the 1 converted to AM/FM is out of the car still wrapped up in the box, I also want jacks so I can listen to my cds or an ipod.
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2016-02-13 7:43 PM (#504074 - in reply to #437485)
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I got the history on my 1961 fury today .I learned it came with a deluxe radio. It sold brand new in Iowa and it was built on 08/30/1960
I will share more later. Well here is the i mformation the car sold brand new at Thomas motor company in Burlington, Iowa. It wax built I St Louis MO and shipped on August 301960 the car came with PS, delhuxe steering wheel radio heater with defroster padded dash.. It does not say any thing about the power brakes but they could been added o by the dealer later on..

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