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Cmangeot
Posted 2014-07-05 11:03 AM (#447932)
Subject: 60 Windsor Parking Brake


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OK...so where do I make this adjustment at under the car??? Wiz, you out there??





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wizard
Posted 2014-07-05 3:22 PM (#447953 - in reply to #447932)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake



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On the dust shield to the parking brake there's a small cover - loosen one of the bolts and it will swing down. Inside the opening you'll see the slotted little wheel. There are special tools for to turn it, but a bent screwdriver will also work fine. Adjust the little wheel until you lock the parking drum - back up the wheel until there's only a very slight drag from the brake shoes. If the parking brake pedal bottoms out before it lock the rear wheels, then the cable shall be adjusted inside the car.
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Cmangeot
Posted 2014-08-15 4:24 PM (#453047 - in reply to #447932)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake


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So Wiz, where can I buy replacement lining SIOR the parking brake??. Mechanic says I need new ones..... Let me know your thoughts.
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wizard
Posted 2014-08-16 3:30 AM (#453111 - in reply to #447932)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake



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I'd say that a good truck brake shop would be able to reline with new liners and grind them to the correct diameter. Then, there's always John at Big M......

and here http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emergency-Brake-Shoes-59-60-61-62-Chrysler-...

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ttotired
Posted 2014-08-16 7:27 AM (#453129 - in reply to #447932)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake



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I will make an assumption here, but are they the same as for a plymouth, thought they would be?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emergency-Brake-Shoes-58-59-60-61-Plymouth-...

Just looked at your link Wizard, they apear to be the same

Same seller and all



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VAN HELSING
Posted 2014-08-16 7:59 AM (#453135 - in reply to #453129)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake



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I have a feeling that seller is Kanters ??


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ttotired
Posted 2014-08-16 6:57 PM (#453194 - in reply to #447932)
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I think so as well

I think I have bought all my brake stuff from them?

Everything has worked and fitted, so no problems from me

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Cmangeot
Posted 2014-08-17 2:04 PM (#453299 - in reply to #453194)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake


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So I removed the parking brake access panel only to find a MESS of blackish, fibrous debris, otherwise known as asbestos lining. Also, I found loosely laying inside the the drum.....the adjustment screw. (see pics)

Now I know that I have to remove the drive shaft, etc and rebuild this, but here are my questions:

1. I am assuming that I must buy new brake shoes, should the mess of stuff I found in there actually be the asbestos lining.
2. I will be taking the car to my mechanic who has a lift, is there anything else i can do on my own?


Any other insight is appreciated.

Thanks!



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wizard
Posted 2014-08-17 2:31 PM (#453303 - in reply to #447932)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake



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The brake shoes does contain asbestos, I'm next to 100% sure of that - work with care.....
There's nothing you could prepare before the work - just bring the car to the lift.
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Cmangeot
Posted 2014-08-17 4:15 PM (#453312 - in reply to #453303)
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I definitely wore a respirator. No chances taken. Never use a vacuum either. Even a hepa will spread the mess into the environment.
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ttotired
Posted 2014-08-17 6:22 PM (#453328 - in reply to #447932)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake



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Be careful with all brake (and clutch) dust

Not sure its that wise to drive it anywhere with parts missing from in the park brake, not unless your sure there isnt anything thats going to jam up

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Cmangeot
Posted 2014-08-17 8:35 PM (#453348 - in reply to #453303)
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Yeah...but it's 5 I gotta drive....
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Cmangeot
Posted 2014-08-17 8:36 PM (#453349 - in reply to #447932)
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Miles, that is. 5 miles.
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wizard
Posted 2014-08-18 1:55 AM (#453371 - in reply to #447932)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake



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Hypothetically what happened is that the brake shoe return spring jumped out of it's seat and the shoes tilted backwards towards the rear axle. This cause the adjuster to fall out from between the shoes.

As ttotired indicates, best thing would be to remove the propeller shaft and the drum and completely demount everything inside before you drive to the workshop. The thing is that you cannot trust that you have an emergency brake right now. I don't foresee that something locks up if you drive slow, but of course, there might be worse damages to the shoes, drums and or other brake parts.
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Cmangeot
Posted 2014-08-19 3:29 PM (#453577 - in reply to #453371)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake


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In reality, I already drove it 40 miles returning from my father in laws. I did hear some noise and feel some vibratio during the ride, but it was over quick, so likely, the damage is done. the brake had not been working properly for over a month, so I am assuming that I scrambled up the insides pretty good. We shall see soon.
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Cmangeot
Posted 2014-09-16 9:09 AM (#456482 - in reply to #447932)
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Update - mechanic replaced brake shoes in parking drum. Still cannot get the thing right. First, the brake would not hold at all with pedal fully depressed. I returned the car. Now, the brake is noticably dragging and while on a mild grade in neutral, will roll slowly a bit, then stop' then roll, then stop. Mechanic believes that they may need to machine the drum. Wiz, do you have any thoughts? I never thought this would be such a pain in the a##!
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wizard
Posted 2014-09-16 10:41 AM (#456490 - in reply to #447932)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake



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Do you know if they adjusted the brake shoes first, or if they only adjusted on the cable adjuster? The proper way is to first adjust to brake shoes to a very light contact so that one can feel a slight drag (this of course with the brake cable adjuster backed off so that the cable don't affect the brake shoe adjuster). Thereafter the cable should be adusted so there's full brake after around 5-7 clicks of the ratchet.

If this method has been used and you still have problems, then there's somthing that is mounted wrong or the shoes has jumped out of position.
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Cmangeot
Posted 2014-09-20 8:36 AM (#456876 - in reply to #447932)
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Update - the shop definitely made the adjustments in the order which Wiz described. He is telling me that he believes that I need a new brake drum. He had adjusted them out and cannot get good contact, which would explain the symptoms I described. So, I doubt I will readily find a new brake drum......Wiz, is there a way to get around this? Has anyone ever scrapped the old system and retrofitted another type of parking brake? Frustrated!
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jimntempe
Posted 2014-09-20 4:16 PM (#456903 - in reply to #447932)
Subject: Re: 60 Windsor Parking Brake



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I wonder if the replacement shoes were made with too thin of lining and that's why it won't adjust out. Get a shoe with a thicker lining and that should take care of the problem.
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