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johnnylemonpudding
Posted 2014-09-29 6:35 PM (#457723)
Subject: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode


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My Dad has had this '58 Dodge ragtop sittin in his shop for the last 20 years. He bought it as a stripped down rolling tub. The title we have for it says its a Custom Royal Lancer. Could You guys decode this for me? Any help would be greatly appreciated. John



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d500neil
Posted 2014-09-29 7:52 PM (#457731 - in reply to #457723)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode



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Piece of cake.

Your all-white Custom Royal convertible, with the Ivory/Black interior scheme, and a white-top, was built in Detroit,
on or around October 10, 1957.

In no particular order, it has the Convenience Accessory group (foam rear seat; variable speed wipers; Jiffy Jet; and handbrake/
map/glove box & trunk lights; and vanity mirror)

Also: Safety Group (Power Steering; Power brakes' padded dash' padded sun visors).

Radio Group: heater/back-up lights; LT IO/S mirror; Day/Nite mirror; push-button radio.

It was delivered by Truck to the dealership.

It has tinted glass and the shaded windshield.

And: Deluxe Appearance Group: 2-tone steering wheel; Spinners!; stone shields; clock

Torqueflite transmission.

Undercoating.

It also has (many-) other options which will be confirmed on its IBM Build card and/or on its Broadcast Sheet.

Have you looked up/behind its glove box to see if its Broadcast Sheet might still be masking taped there?

NICELY optioned car!





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johnnylemonpudding
Posted 2014-09-29 8:30 PM (#457737 - in reply to #457723)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode


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Thanks Neil! I really appreciate it. Haven't looked for the broadcast sheet but don't hold much hope of finding it. The top was non existent as it sat outside for many years before dad got a hold of it.
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christine-lover
Posted 2014-09-29 8:39 PM (#457738 - in reply to #457737)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode



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That's a hell of a car. Any pics????
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johnnylemonpudding
Posted 2014-09-29 11:04 PM (#457750 - in reply to #457723)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode


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Sorry to say but its buried back in the corner now & I can't get any. I think we have some old snapshots from shortly after we acquired it. I'll see if I can dig 'em up.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-11-10 12:20 PM (#461464 - in reply to #457750)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode



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So, when your dad stripped it down to a rolling tub, did he save any of the pieces / parts, or is it pretty much just a shell?
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johnnylemonpudding
Posted 2014-11-10 9:23 PM (#461529 - in reply to #457723)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode


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He didn't strip it, he acquired it that way. We've got a four door sedan for parts. Too bad the trim won't work. We moved another car outta the shop the other day so I got some pics. I'll try to get 'em posted here later.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-11-10 11:14 PM (#461535 - in reply to #461529)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode



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Aha! I need to actually read the posts! I would love to see pictures of it!
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johnnylemonpudding
Posted 2014-11-11 1:03 PM (#461580 - in reply to #457723)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode


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Well, here she is. Brutalized but still beautiful!



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johnnylemonpudding
Posted 2014-11-11 1:16 PM (#461582 - in reply to #457723)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode


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Parts car.



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soiouz
Posted 2014-11-11 2:55 PM (#461584 - in reply to #461582)
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Wow!

I would love to get my hands on a convertible project like that! It would be a stunning car if restored to original all-white color!
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-11-12 12:11 AM (#461620 - in reply to #461584)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode


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John, it looks like a fun project to do. I'm sure both you and your Dad are asking the same question;"Why the hell would anyone torch cut the frame like what was done??!!" I would suggest to get that 4dr car jacked up and out of the dirt because you are going to need its frame!
Greg
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-11-12 12:17 PM (#461657 - in reply to #461620)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode



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Good stuff, John! Like Greg said, there were some WEIRD things done to that car, but it looks pretty solid still! That will be a great car and it appears that the top bows and some of the hard-to-find convertible stuff is still there.
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d500neil
Posted 2014-11-14 1:05 AM (#461782 - in reply to #461657)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode



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John, among the many parts that you will be needing, on/for your car's restoration will be a complete 57 Dodge sway bar system, including its welded-on mounting
brackets and 'hangers'.

The 1958 Dodges did not have a sway bar system on them.

The location/installation of the sway bar brackets is easy to confirm, via the pre-existing slots that are already cut into the frames, for the
the sway bars' (possible-) installation on them.

Finding/buying a 1957 Dodge sway bar system should be relatively easy and cheap, because not many people are retrofitting 1957 Dodge sway bar
systems onto their cars.



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d500neil
Posted 2014-11-14 1:32 AM (#461783 - in reply to #457723)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

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One benefit of installing a 1958 (donor) frame onto a 1957 restoration is that all of the 1958 frames have beefier torsion bars
on them than do the 1957 Custom Royal models.

The 1957 Custom Royals have a standard-equipment (expensive) sway bar on them, which allows them to have/use softer T/bars,
for a comfy ride, without sacrificing handling response.

So, installing the standard 1958 Dodge T/bars (which were optionally available on the 1957 Dodges) along with a 1957 Dodge Custom Royal's
sway bar will increase the handling of that car.

Again, your '58 will already have the beefier bars in it, and, a 57 Custom Royal model should have a sway bar on it.



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-11-15 1:24 AM (#461898 - in reply to #461783)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode


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Hey, Neil, are you actually making HUMAN mistakes?! There is nothing 57 about any of this restoration!! There are usually NO slots in a 58 frame to precisely index earlier sway bar brackets!! Even if there were, one cannot adapt a sway bar onto 58 struts. 58 struts are round whereas 57 struts have a flattened area at their ends to accommodate the sway bar bracket end clamps. What else do you need to know to complete this picture??!
Greg
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d500neil
Posted 2014-11-20 9:56 PM (#462400 - in reply to #461898)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode



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I thought that John's 58 body was going to be the basis for a 1957 chassis restoration...in which case the rear springs and their
perches/hangers, too would require retro-fitting between those two years.



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-11-20 11:25 PM (#462403 - in reply to #462400)
Subject: Re: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode


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Yes. For two years where the cars looked so similar there were many subtle differences when one goes to marry things together.
Greg
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-12-03 3:08 PM (#463488 - in reply to #457723)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode



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johnnylemonpudding
Posted 2014-12-03 5:12 PM (#463497 - in reply to #463488)
Subject: RE: 1958 Dodge conv. data tag decode


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Wow, I guess!! Which code shows my counter top option?!!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-12-03 6:13 PM (#463509 - in reply to #463497)
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Johnny,

Let's not overlook what code shows the original track suit you'll need to be looking for !

The 58 Plymouth track suits are available through Legendary Auto Track Suits, but for Dodge
and DeSoto, you're on your own to find an original.
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