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1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | well, i have been had. i bought this 61 from a dutch fellow in langley,bc. looking back i can only shake my head about my naivity trusting a seemingly nice old guy. after almost 30 years buying old cars and parts i should have known better. but something like this i have never experienced before. this seemed to be a real nice guy and i even tried helping his business, looking for cars and forwarded leads which he asked me to do. i still can't believe this. he claimed to be 70 and because of this he did seem to have trouble mailing decent photos and therefore i relied on his word. okay, i know these days this is plain stupid. bill heinhuis: COMPLETE car, rust in right rear quarter thats it, all good floor boards in AMAZING GOOD condition, frame NOT bend, ONLY part that is damaged is the headlight part and the bumper bracket which is a loose part. title there, keys there, engine runs, trunk floor good rust free, only one small rust spot, car rolls. these are his words capital letters used as he did. i requested some of this statements, especially the "all good frame", knowing about the very solid 61 plymouth bumper brackets and asking if certain chrome parts are there. he insured me they are and the car is (quote) "100% COMPLETE" and the frame is all good. well the top photo below is the only GOOD picture i got from him. the fender wasn't placed in front of the right front wheel without a reason, it was hiding the odd position of the front wheel. good pictures follow, but here is the reality. this guy sold me the sad remains of his rusted out parts car. "all good frame" has been bent badly in the accident as indicated by the door fender gaps. doors are jamming. front section bent and broken. control arms and control arm brackets badly bent, "amazing all good floors" are junk with holes so big i can stick my arm through, completely rusted away from the front frame. "good trunk with just a small rust spot" is all gone its remains are only held in by the tank. i can almost jump through the "small rust spot". wheel openings all rusted away. rockers rusted away and someone started to part it out. dash has been picked and countless chrome and interior parts are missing. some are still shown in the tiny avatar sized blurry pictures he sent. he pulled them afterwards. this guy sold 61s before so i can only guess where they went. car was not rolling as promised (which made up and unloading it a nightmare) springs broken, "good running engine" has stuck valves, bad compression. missing and damaged locks, no keys, NO title (he signed "no title" in the shipping papers) frame rails badly rusted, left rear quarter a mess,etc,etc,etc well i contacted him still fairly polite asking about the misrepresentation and the title. he then showed his true face using vulgar language claiming the car is as described and title was sent with the car.... good pictures follow and i would like to hear from you what you think about this. was it misrepresented? Edited by 1960fury 2014-11-17 2:44 PM (61gc.jpg) (61home.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 61gc.jpg (105KB - 268 downloads) 61home.jpg (67KB - 240 downloads) | ||
RamPhoenix |
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Veteran Posts: 206 Location: Chattanooga | Unfortunately, most of us who have played with old cars for any length of time have had similar very frustrating experiences. As difficult as it may be, I have finally decided to never buy a car sight unseen. Somehow my definition of GOOD CONDITION seems to be very different to some other people's definition. You were definitely defrauded on that purchase, but it's probably not worth the time and effort to try to get your money back. | ||
wizard |
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13042 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Really sad story Sid - what a crook! Edited by wizard 2014-11-17 12:41 PM | ||
Chrys 68 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 673 Location: Malung, SWEDEN | Send fat boys in leather vest on Harley Davidson! | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | thanks guys. i'm having trouble uploading photos again. hopefully tomorrow. i just sat on the 61s drivers seat, or whats left of it, and something under me collapsed, probably the "amazing all good floor". nothing in the lower areas that is not rusted badly as if it spend some time in a swamp. the rear frame rails are paper thin. even the doors which are usually mostly good on 60/61 are rusted pretty bad. too bad this seemed to be a real nice car years ago. golden commando light blue with no options except torqueflite and hi-fi radio. the early 60s equivalent of a hemi cuda Edited by 1960fury 2014-11-17 2:14 PM | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | Chrys 68 - 2014-11-17 12:52 PM Send fat boys in leather vest on Harley Davidson! i always pay my depts | ||
Matthew Keij |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 481 Location: The Netherlands | Dutch people.... Are you going to fix this one up or use it for parts? Some people just can't desciribe cars and I really hate that. Wish I could help but I'm a bit too far away also | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | RamPhoenix - 2014-11-17 12:06 PM Unfortunately, most of us who have played with old cars for any length of time have had similar very frustrating experiences. As difficult as it may be, I have finally decided to never buy a car sight unseen. Somehow my definition of GOOD CONDITION seems to be very different to some other people's definition. You were definitely defrauded on that purchase, but it's probably not worth the time and effort to try to get your money back. yes "good condition" is a vague description but "rust free" and "100% complete" is not. i'm not picky and expected to find more rust and some missing parts like the headliner, headlight rings.etc but this one is downright fraud. i wonder why he sent me the car at all. this cheat has lots of other fl mopars so fl people watch out and don't be deceived by his overly friendly manners. | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | Matthew Keij - 2014-11-17 2:22 PM Dutch people.... Are you going to fix this one up or use it for parts? Some people just can't desciribe cars and I really hate that. Wish I could help but I'm a bit too far away also nothing against dutch people every country has its share of a$$holes, but in fact we have a saying in germany: never buy a car from a dutch no, i'm not going to part it out. one day it will be restored, maybe not by me. but these cars are getting hard to find and they do not make em like that anymore. Edited by 1960fury 2014-11-17 3:04 PM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7805 Location: Williams California | Sorry to see you got burned by this guy's misrepresentation, Sid. Folks like that really give all sellers a bad reputation, most of which is not deserved. Is there any recourse at all you can take? I do realize the huge distances involved. ---John | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | thanks big m. i'll have to find out. any court would decide in my favor as e mails are valid evidence. i was trying to solve this quiet and peacefully and was willing to take a hit just to get at least some of my money back (i have over $2700 in this in shipping alone) but no way. not sure yet if its worth the trouble but i'll have to find a way... for once i hope this gets around so it will be harder for him to cheat. i should have bought from you Edited by 1960fury 2014-11-17 4:54 PM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 5006 | holy chit... I think your kind of hosed... Ack you didn't have it verified before you shipped to Germany? You should have asked one of us to look at it man... seriously I would have no problem taking some time. | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | You could always make a mailbox out of it. Just kidding. Just kidding! I am sorry to hear about the misrepresentation. That stinks. Not kidding. | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Nothing worse than spending good money to buy from international sellers and finding that its not as good as it was made out to be I bet the freight was close to the purchase price (if not more) I am selling some of my dodge parts and I have had a request for a grill I have 3 of them here (apart from the one on my car) and I classify all of them as "better than nothing", but the potential buyer is well aware of their true condition with good clear pictures. The buyer is on the other side of the country, so personally seeing them is not really worth it, but the freight is also going to be very pricey If I was a really nice guy, I should just give him one, but I paid for them, so I wont be doing that Sorry you got stitched Sid | ||
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Expert Posts: 3966 Location: DFW, TX | I'm sorry, Sid. Hopefully your next purchase will be such a great bargain that it makes up for this bad deal. Good luck. | ||
56300B |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 480 Location: The Great Northwest | Geez Sid, it sounds like you crossed paths with one of the bottom feeders. Please ask any of us if we can look at a car for you or anyone else in other countries or on the other side of the continent. This stinks and it hurts our hobby and individuals as well. I hope you have some recourse with this individual that will provide some degree of satisfaction. Regards, Arland | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Sorry to read about your 'hosing' (can only Canucks get hosed???), but, the measure of your loss is your investment in this Lawn Ornament's purchase price. Welcome to the club. | ||
FIN ME |
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Expert Posts: 2788 Location: USA - KY | Sorry to hear about this unfortunate deal, 1960fury. That seller doesn't seem to be the most honest fellow out there, that's for sure. | ||
BigBlockMopar |
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Expert Posts: 3575 Location: Netherlands | What a sack of ... Sid, didn't you Google his name upfront a bit? His name pops up here and there with Google. I found an ad from him from last year in which he doesn't seem to have much issues posting good clear pics on... http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=38070 | ||
AceS |
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Veteran Posts: 281 Location: WA/USA | Sorry for your trouble and thanks for the heads up. I doubt your warning statement will do much to change behavior though. Not pursuing this just means he will continue to screw over the next guy with the rest of his junk. For the record, there is no such thing as a solid floor pan FL car if it has been sitting outside without cover on the NW coast line. | ||
60crossram |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 836 Location: Layton, Utah | It might be worth taking a trip to BC with a few tricks up your sleeve. DeSoto lives !!! | ||
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Expert Posts: 3153 Location: NY & VT | That's a shame. There's a few members here living in BC... maybe they could help get some legal restitution. This guy needs to be brought to justice before he burns others! I got burned buying a '56 Packard sight unseen once, never again. Edited by firedome 2014-11-18 9:50 AM | ||
Sonoramic60 |
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Expert Posts: 1287 | Sid -- I really am sorry for you. Guys like that should be prosecuted. Joe | ||
oldwood |
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Expert Posts: 2905 Location: little rock, AR | It sux and we ALL feel your pain. The price tag that across the pond buyers go through to get American iron is outrageous. I have one just like yours that i'll be using as a parts car because they are far and few between. | ||
The Chrysler Kid |
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Expert Posts: 1384 Location: Ocala, Florida | Good luck getting it resolved! | ||
Cmangeot |
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 531 Location: Park Hills, KY | That trailer should read, " WTF" | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | thanks all. here are the pictures as i got the car. it looks worse in reality. on the outside actually the passenger side is the good side. the drivers side has a bit less rust but is totally warped. i took a photo but it didn't show. rust in the floorboards seem to be worse in the drivers side, but the pass side is not much better, paper thin and buckling were it bolted to the frame. possible from the impact. the photos look way better than the reality. the trunk is gone completely. the whole front frame seems to be twisted. the inner rockers are rusted away and when they lifted the car the rockers gave in some places (old damage). even the floor supports are rusted away. rear frame rails and floors, that appear good in the pictures, are paper thin. only pleasant surprise, it has a rare hi-fi radio so here is the car with the "only rust in rr quarter and a small rust spot in the trunk with amazing all good floors, no accident or frame damage except the headlight part of the fender and 100% complete". and yes i received the car without carpet or trunk mat and the frame damage and odd position of the front wheel is easily visible. so there are no excuses. this guy is a cheat. "good running engine" (bad compression/stuck valves) was probably a lie too, but i can't prove that. Edited by 1960fury 2014-11-19 6:02 PM (61frame1.jpg) (61frame.jpg) (61dsrearfloor1.jpg) (61doorgap.jpg) (61dsfloor1.jpg) (61rocker1.jpg) (61uca.jpg) (61psfloor.jpg) (61dsfloor2.jpg) (61trunkedge.jpg) (61rocker.jpg) (61floor1.jpg) (61rrquarter.jpg) (61lrqtr.jpg) (61fender.jpg) (61trunk2.jpg) (61trunk3.jpg) (61trunk4.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 61frame1.jpg (173KB - 201 downloads) 61frame.jpg (129KB - 280 downloads) 61dsrearfloor1.jpg (173KB - 253 downloads) 61doorgap.jpg (93KB - 184 downloads) 61dsfloor1.jpg (178KB - 243 downloads) 61rocker1.jpg (175KB - 254 downloads) 61uca.jpg (179KB - 229 downloads) 61psfloor.jpg (166KB - 205 downloads) 61dsfloor2.jpg (177KB - 257 downloads) 61trunkedge.jpg (163KB - 229 downloads) 61rocker.jpg (222KB - 254 downloads) 61floor1.jpg (183KB - 208 downloads) 61rrquarter.jpg (156KB - 216 downloads) 61lrqtr.jpg (225KB - 194 downloads) 61fender.jpg (154KB - 258 downloads) 61trunk2.jpg (184KB - 236 downloads) 61trunk3.jpg (191KB - 235 downloads) 61trunk4.jpg (198KB - 211 downloads) | ||
BigBlockMopar |
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Expert Posts: 3575 Location: Netherlands | Sad stuff. You're a brave man if you still want to tackle this as a project and fix it up. | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | BigBlockMopar - 2014-11-18 8:37 AM What a sack of ... Sid, didn't you Google his name upfront a bit? His name pops up here and there with Google. I found an ad from him from last year in which he doesn't seem to have much issues posting good clear pics on... http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=38070 yup i did google his name before and he already saw court action. from what i understood some european car collector sued him, but i did not understand the legal terms and what it was all about. that ad is not by him. it pops up because he expressed interest in the car, shown in the ad. | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Well, from an east coast perspective, you can't see all four tires from one side, so it IS rust-free ! Looks like a typical NW coastal car to me. There is a reason I left Seattle, and you now possess the hard proof of why. Well this sucks, for sure. Langley would be a long run for me to check out a car, but should you or anyone else here ever need an honest inspection in my general area, I offer that service just to help fellow FL nutcases out. Ian is close, but out on the island. He probably knows people right nearby, ... but it seems the cat is already out of the bag. Sorry to hear it, Sid. Wish I could offer a positive answer .... | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | Doctor DeSoto - 2014-11-19 5:11 PM Langley would be a long run for me to check out a car, but should you or anyone else here ever need an honest inspection in my general area, I offer that service just to help fellow FL nutcases out. doc, let me know if i can hire you for some other kind of service, i know you would be the right man unfortunately you would have to cross the border... | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | It sure does sound tempting, doesn't it ? | ||
Raatzman |
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Member Posts: 13 | I am sorry for you to have so a bad experience .I am German and do not like to find out that you got used. Wen es nicht zu viel is ich wuerde mich freuen wen Sie mir die warnung und Bilder Emailen wuerden. Mine Email ist ( luise1937@gmail.com ) Er macht nicht nur lausige Auto Deale hat mich auch nur als Spielzeug gebraucht. Danke Ihnen Luise Schiemanski | ||
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Expert Posts: 1497 Location: Fairfax, Minnesota | Guys like this are often found face down in a gutter and their family "just can't understand why someone would do this to such a nice fellow". I hope that you get your money back before it happens to this sorry example of a human. | ||
Raatzman |
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Member Posts: 13 | This is more then miss representation this is a unglaublich und ich kann nicht verstehen das Sie nicht dagegen angehen, ich denke das solte in den Deutschen und Holland Zeitungen so das alle Classic Car Owner wissen wo See Autos von kaufen. Ich hasse zu sehen das einer denken kann er kann die deutschen ueber die Ohren hauen. | ||
Raatzman |
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Member Posts: 13 | I think you have to find a way to warn all Collector so this old Bill Heinhuis can not defraud an one Else | ||
Raatzman |
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Member Posts: 13 | Meike is right | ||
Raatzman |
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Member Posts: 13 | Yes to many get brunt if no won stop Him | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Hey, Sid; not to try to add to your misery, but, your car's VIN tag still exists. Given that your non-ride will never ride again, just for shiits, have you thought about possibly running its VIN thru CHS, just to see what the car's build history might confirm, on it? | ||
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Veteran Posts: 128 Location: Bavaria, Germany | I am sorry to hear this, the ultimate nightmare of anybody importing cars from the US to Europe. It is too late in this case, but I would let cars inspect at the seller's place by US companies. It's about $ 300 and it's well-spent money. If you need more information, let me know. Look to the future and let that be a lesson. | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | d500neil - 2015-02-27 4:13 AM Hey, Sid; not to try to add to your misery, but, your car's VIN tag still exists. Given that your non-ride will never ride again, just for shiits, have you thought about possibly running its VIN thru CHS, just to see what the car's build history might confirm, on it? hi neil, i'm having other problems right now. maybe i will do that someday and one day it will see the road again at least it will not see the crusher as long as i'm alive. | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | Raatzman - 2015-02-26 3:46 AM I am sorry for you to have so a bad experience .I am German and do not like to find out that you got used. Wen es nicht zu viel is ich wuerde mich freuen wen Sie mir die warnung und Bilder Emailen wuerden. Mine Email ist ( luise1937@gmail.com ) Er macht nicht nur lausige Auto Deale hat mich auch nur als Spielzeug gebraucht. Danke Ihnen Luise Schiemanski okay | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | regarding this cheat. anyone got any ideas? its not about the money. i consider it lost. i just would hate see him get away with this. again, this guy acted like a friend telling me about his biography etc and i even helped him out for free. i still can't believe this. okay i'm old enough to know better, as i have been had before by overly friendly people, yet i'm shocked each time again. i guess i'm a slow learner. but how on earth do these creeps manage to look in a mirror? please PM me. any help greatly appreciated. | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Long distance lost money is very difficult (and expensive..) to recover, notwithstanding the possibility that the guy holding your money, or value, MIGHT suffer from a bout of CONSCIOUS and pay you for your loss. In your case, Sid, you'd have to differentiate and document the true market value of what you've received, versus the fair market value of what you paid, for your parts. Your net loss lies obviously somewhere between these two values. Let it go, but don't forget about it (forgiveness is for some other entity to provide). Edited by d500neil 2015-02-27 2:51 PM | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 6487 Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | "Don't trust anyone...especially the Dutch" Austin Powers man of mystery. Let it go ,hell will burn a little brighter when he goes. | ||
Raatzman |
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Member Posts: 13 | I know this Creep and believe me this creep has no trouble to look in the mirror or loos Sleep | ||
60crossram |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 836 Location: Layton, Utah | Looks pretty rough. I would be pissed ! And I would be planning a trip to Canada if you know what I mean. | ||
60crossram |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 836 Location: Layton, Utah | Looks pretty rough. I would be pissed ! And I would be planning a trip to Canada if you know what I mean. | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 494 Location: Alberta | I have his phone #, I have a suggestion; we could reverse the play on the field and send him some interesting leads on cars/ pictures included. He ).( has contacted me on several occasions on a old add I posted on my 61 Fury and asking for leads and offering some referral money for a find and I'm sure many have heard his story by now.I've followed his advertisements for about 4 yrs. now and he is "TOP DOLLAR" ADVERTISER FOR "BOTTOM END" UNITS. I'm surprised anyone buys from him.I have on several occasions bought cars sight unseen and found that my expectations of the car does not meet the description and took my lumps but in saying that I haven't had to turn one into a mailbox yet LOL. A story like this makes almost everyone stop and think about making the next deal.OLD CLASSIC CARS OR NOT IT'S STILL THE CAR BUSS. | ||
Raatzman |
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Member Posts: 13 | Why is this not brood in the opening to stop him it giving a bad reputation in Europa for Canadian Classic Cars Seller | ||
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