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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-01 9:34 AM (#463282)
Subject: Captive-Air Tires



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I was just wondering if anyone use to have these tires on their cars, or might still have one. How rare are they?
Has everyone/anyone seen one "in person"?
I know that Tom McCahill test drove a 1959 Dodge Custom Royal with these tires on it. He described them as being "heavy".



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PlymouthFury
Posted 2014-12-01 10:11 AM (#463287 - in reply to #463282)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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I've always been interested I these tires. There's a section in the 60 Plymouth manual describing how to inflate them. Shoving a needle into the sidewall seemed a bit odd. I've never seen one in person. I can't imagine very many people bought them as I'm sure they were pricey. Wonder how long they were made?
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58coronet
Posted 2014-12-01 8:39 PM (#463325 - in reply to #463282)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires


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These were fairly common on Chrysler 300s in the late 50s to early 60s. I have seen them on 300s years ago, and they were made in Goodyear's Blue Streak line of high speed tires of the day, as well. They had a blue dot on the outer sidewall where the needle valve was inserted to inflate the outer chamber.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-02 12:44 AM (#463339 - in reply to #463325)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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How pricey were they / are they?



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2014-12-02 2:09 AM (#463345 - in reply to #463325)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires


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They are listed in my 58 Chrysler literature separately and not as Blue Streaks.

I remember the blue dot as you describe. A point of inflation using a football/basketball needle! I remember driving on them and thinking they were horrible! I would have said that the ones I drove were Uniroyal, though. Seems to me that I replaced them Uniroyal Masters. Expensive tires in those days!!

BTW, I just had a set of new Bridgestone Runflat tires installed on the Sebring convert on a trial basis. You know, "state of the art for today". Way too hard and noisy! I had the dealer replace them.
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d500neil
Posted 2014-12-02 2:27 AM (#463351 - in reply to #463282)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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The captive air tires were known to be very heavy and generally un-responsive to sportive
handling.



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miquelonbrad
Posted 2014-12-03 10:42 AM (#463469 - in reply to #463282)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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Some wagons came with them, because they didn't have room for a spare tire in the back...I think it was the wagons with the third seat...correct me if I'm wrong.
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58sportsuburban
Posted 2014-12-03 11:55 AM (#463475 - in reply to #463469)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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9 passenger wagons have the spare behind the passenger rear tire.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-03 11:06 PM (#463536 - in reply to #463475)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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Here is the rest of that first Ad. And others.



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imopar380
Posted 2014-12-03 11:30 PM (#463540 - in reply to #463536)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-03 11:30 PM (#463541 - in reply to #463536)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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Well, so far, what everyone has said makes sense.
The more expensive tires on the more expensive cars.
I can see why you would want these on a station wagon. No father wants to be changing a tire in the middle of taking his family across the states to Wally World.
And, you don't put these tires on a sport car.

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imopar380
Posted 2014-12-03 11:34 PM (#463542 - in reply to #463541)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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Another ad



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-03 11:39 PM (#463544 - in reply to #463542)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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It looks like these tires have been given different names over the years. From Blowout shields to Double Eagle.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-08 9:16 PM (#464017 - in reply to #463544)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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Guess what I found?
Yep, I found someone who had, not only one , but two of these tires. I bought both of them, but only one has the inner lining.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-08 9:38 PM (#464019 - in reply to #464017)
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I removed the inner liner to see how this thing works. It is just a liner that tucks in between the tire and wheel. See pictures. I bet this was a nightmare for the tire mounting guys.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-08 9:44 PM (#464021 - in reply to #464019)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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The inner lining is called a Nylon, Life Guard , Blowout Shield.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-08 9:54 PM (#464025 - in reply to #464021)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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I always thought that the button on the out side wall of the tire, inflated the inner section of the tire. Wrong. The valve on your wheel inflates
the inner section, then the button on the side wall will inflate the outer section.



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Posted 2014-12-08 10:27 PM (#464027 - in reply to #463282)
Subject: RE: Captive-Air Tires



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Wow, rare find!
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-09 1:27 AM (#464051 - in reply to #464025)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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In order to mount this tire, I'm sure that you would have to put the tire on the wheel first, then put the inner section in the tire. Making sure it is wrapped around the lip/bead of the tire. Then seat the tire on the wheel by inflating the inner section. Or maybe you would inflate both sections a little bit at a time. What a pain in the butt. No wonder these things are not popular. A pain in the butt to mount. Heavy on the car, which makes bad performance, poor gas mileage. I wonder if the valve on the side wall ever leaked?



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2015-03-20 12:06 AM (#472936 - in reply to #464051)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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I did not know that information on this tire is actually in the 58 Desoto Service Manual. I'm sure it is in other manuals also.
Here is the info on it.



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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-01-16 7:16 PM (#593060 - in reply to #463282)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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Anyone know if cars that came with Captive Air tires came with a jack?
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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-01-17 1:49 PM (#593106 - in reply to #463282)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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January 1958 Popular Science. Says that all 1958 Chrysler wagons have Captive Air tires. Was that true?





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GregCon
Posted 2020-01-18 10:35 AM (#593136 - in reply to #463282)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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Since the dawn of the pneumatic tire some 600 years ago, man has sought to rid himself of the evils of the very air he breathes, inside the tire, anyway. Soon, you will drive a rolling electric safety-pod that rides on airless tires.

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56D500boy
Posted 2020-01-18 10:57 AM (#593137 - in reply to #593136)
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rebel
Posted 2020-01-21 7:03 PM (#593292 - in reply to #593137)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires


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The Popular Science article was incorrect. My line card shows a spare tire. That's on a 58 New Yorker, 6 passenger wagon.
Perhaps the 8 passenger wagons did not have a spare??
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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-01-21 7:21 PM (#593293 - in reply to #593292)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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rebel - 2020-01-21 4:03 PM

The Popular Science article was incorrect. My line card shows a spare tire. That's on a 58 New Yorker, 6 passenger wagon.
Perhaps the 8 passenger wagons did not have a spare??


Is that the IBM card? Where is the spare listed? Trying to figure out why my '60 had 99 code for tires.
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rebel
Posted 2020-01-21 7:41 PM (#593296 - in reply to #593293)
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It was on the IBM card. If I remember correctly it was written on the card. I don't have the card available right now, but we had discussed it in a thread years ago. I'll see if I can find the thread and maybe a picture tomorrow.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-01-21 10:01 PM (#593300 - in reply to #463282)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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Here is my build card showing 99 for the tires. There are other codes for Captive-air whitewalls and regular blackwalls so I'm not sure what they ordered since I don't have any other documentation.





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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-02-01 10:24 PM (#593727 - in reply to #463282)
Subject: Re: Captive-Air Tires



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Here is more Captive Air information I found from Kiplinger's in 1959.

https://books.google.com/books?id=iwAEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA4&dq=kiplinger'...

The original article in July 1959 is a tire guide and an interesting read in itself. In the August issue, they printed a correction because the first row of tires was under Goodrich. Also, this confirms that Captive Air tires were available in Blue Streaks and blackwalls. What sizes, I don't know.

The image below is a combination of pages from the two issues.





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